64 y.o. Man Tased in His Own Home After Wife Calls Ambulance Because He Fell Down

[ForumModeregulator]

AND EDIT : after watching the video the guy's demeanor and voice in the taser video vs the interview make it pretty clear that Mr. McFarland was pretty drunk. He is slurring speech, slowed, swearing and flicking them off...

SO that just compounds the issue. This McFarland character was a DRUNK, possibly suicidal, possibly in possession of a firearm, argumentative, not obeying orders, and angry.

Cop: "Sit down, and put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back."
Mr. McFarland: "Fuckk you".

Begin tasing...lol...

From the cops perspective, At this point, they can go to PHYSICALLY detain him, he resists and they probably break his arm or something which results in a lawsuit anyways, OR...they do the smart thing (yes tasing is proven to be NON LETHAL, with NO LASTING EFFECTS) and tase him to gain control of the situation...

"There's got to be a problem in terms of training and on supervising deputy sheriffs in the county; it's hard to imagine something so shocking could happen," McFarland's attorney John Scott said.

HOW fucking ironic...

 

[Supafly]

Except that he's an old man with a bad heart, that tasing could've killed him, or put him in cardiac arrest.

Exactly. People with heart problems, epileptics (Liek me, as an example), if you know they have these conditions, and you do use a taser on them, it is way beyond excessive force. For people with a weak heart, it can be murder.

Do these police officers have no other ways to take him to the hospital? That is an old guy, are the officers incapable of handling him differently?

That taser-usage was clearly abusive.

 

[ForumModeregulator]

Ok...so lets have a person fill out a questionnaire on prior health conditions before cops decide what to do...sweet idea.

.."oh please officer, I have a ummmm...heart condition...that ummm...you cant tase me because I have it....ummm, so I am going to keep running away from you and you can't do anything about it, because I have a heart condition and you are supposed to know about it".

See how that could be problematic?

Other ways ? Seriously, how about sitting there are trying to talk to the guy...oh wait that didnt work, because this guy was too stupid and drunk to be able to comprehend the situation...

Listen instead of blaming the cops for beign excessive or mean, how bout fucking criticizing Mr. Mcfarland. I know for sure, if a cop was pointing a taser at me because I was drunk and not following orders well shit I probably deserved gettin tasered. Most people I know dont always like cops, but respect interaction with them. Its simple, dont act like a drunk jackass when cops are dealing with you, and things will be fine.

And on top of all this, heres some douchebag that not only picked an argument with the cops, but now is bein a total bitch and suing the department. "Oh poor me, I got tased, so now Im going to play the baby victim, sue the department and do an interview with the media to make sure I win in court..." booo fucking hooo...

 

[Supafly]

Again, he is just recovering from falling down his front stairs, he is an old guy and these people cannot handle him other than using the nice shiny new taser?

A cop in your own house is okay to bully you and you are not okay to tell him to leave as there is no need for him?

This bullshit about suicidal desires, who believes that?

 

[ForumModeregulator]

Again, he is just recovering from falling down his front stairs, he is an old guy and these people cannot handle him other than using the nice shiny new taser?

A cop in your own house is okay to bully you and you are not okay to tell him to leave as there is no need for him?

This bullshit about suicidal desires, who believes that?

A fall resulting from being too drunk to walk...just because you wouldn't handle a taser responsibly, and think its a toy does not mean that cops do.

The initial response was to check the individual's welfare. Once the situation escalated, by the complete fault of Mr. McFarland not cooperating and being hostile, the cops responded by using force. Thats the way things work. They were not there to be bullies, and they were not having fun. Its no fun at all to be a cop. Do you really think these cops were like, "Oh sweet, we get to check out a suicidal, drunk 64 year old man. WOO HOOO I love this JOB!!!"...

If they dont treat this situation right, and this guy ended up killing himself, the public would be enraged. They do this and still they screwed up. Its a catch-22 you either lose or you lose. But I would assume that it was determined he was some sort of threat to himself, or that this guy was just too incoherent/drunk to handle or evaluate. So they did the smart thing by requesting he goes to the hospital to be checked out by REAL DOCTORS. They have to take the threat seriously, because they didnt just come up with this out of thin air, somebody gave them information that this guy was suicidal.

AND AGAIN...the presence of a possible firearm in the home makes this situation a LOT more intense than the public realizes.

 

[vaasta1987]

Woah, an 'all cops are shite' thread by facialking, thats new.

...and even though you havent said it directly, thats pretty much what your always insinuating

 

[vodkazvictim]

Not sure what to make with this.
I never fuck with the police and I've never been tased or beaten. Until I hear more I'm assuming his fucking about got him tased.

 

[meesterperfect]

dude.
common sense.
the man was just sitting there in HIS HOME.
He told the police that everythings ok, theyre not needed.
At that point common sense should prevail.
they should have left and that would have been the end of it.

When you are in your house and not breaking any laws, the police have no legal right to be there.
whether you say please leave officer sir or get the fuck out of my house pig is not relevant.
And being intoxicated in your house is not illegal.

this man was 100% within his rights, and a judge apparently felt the same.
And what exactly were the police gonna arrest him for in the first place?

common sense, the guy was just sitting on his couch in his home.
he said theres no problem , you can leave.
then they threaten him with arrest.
then they eletrocute him?

So you want a country where police can just enter homes without a warrant or probable cause and taze people?

I'm not saying all cops are shitty, but in this case they were clearly were wrong.

 

[Facetious]

Re: 64 y.o. Man Tased in His Own Home After Wife Calls Ambulance Because He Fell Down

Awwww, Isn't that special, Mr. McFarland and his wife were coming home after a ''fundraiser'', isn't that lovable squeezable and innocent of them giving back to the community and all. :clap:
Has the author broken you down and softened you up yet?
i.e. aren't you now automatically sympathetic toward Mcfarland after learning that he is charitable?

Also, being a cancer survivor, having a heart condition and being 64 y/o doesn't necessarily give one license to be carelessly outspoken in the face of local government employees (the local fire dept) does it?

:note to self:

Whenever I get drunk and happen to trip and fall in the wee hrs. of the morning, never mix the words gun, shoot and self when the paramedics arrive, I mean, If anybody knows the guns, shoots & self blues better than the paramedics . . . !
What if the paramedic staff ignored the words of Mr. Mcfarland and the very next day they learned that Mcfarland in fact later shot himself and wife in an act of a murder suicide, then what would they be thinking to themselves. . . shoulda . . woulda . . coulda(?) Really, we need to hear the testimony of the paramedics in order to make sense out of this one, maybe a transcript of their call into the sheriffs office would be helpful.

Final Note: Was it douchey for a sworn law enforcement specialist to use a taser in the fashion it was used against Mcfarland? Absolutely, but both parties, the sheriff and Mcfarland seem to be negligent in this one . . . stay sober or control your liquor better next time and perhaps choose your words more carefully, Mr Mc, otherwise you're only asking for trouble.

 

[meesterperfect]

you just don't get it face.

the man had committed no crime.
the man was in his house.
the police entered without warrant or probable cause.
the police had no legal right to arrest him.
and clearly no necessity to tase him.

fuck the articles point of view, its on video.

yes he could have gone with them, gone to a mental ward to be evaluated by a "professional" and perhaps been locked up for an indefinate time and forced to take drugs.
but he also was 100% within his rights to refuse that and without an order signed by a judge the police have no legal right to force someone to get mental help.
which is what caused the whole situation.

And again being drunk in your home is not a crime!
so that is completely irrelevant.

 

[Crazy4theBrat]

The cop and the old guy were BOTH wrong in this situation.

Cop: You shouldn't need to taze an old guy with a heart condition. The cop exceeded "minimum necessary force" in this instance.

Old Guy: If you have a heart condition, and even if you don't, it shouldn't take FIVE MINUTES of having the cops trying to tell you what to do. If a cop tells you to do something, you DO IT. You don't sit there and back talk the cop like you're some gang banger in the hood. Had he listened to the police in the first place, he wouldn't have been tazed. The situation was elevated because the old guy refused to cooperate.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Yeah, now I've read the article properly, the police are in the wrong.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

So cops enter a man's home with no warrant, insist he's a threat to himself. He objects, simply wanting to be left alone, and gets tased THREE times. Twice as he's already screaming in pain (after already suffering initial severe pain from the fall) and there are actually people here who defend the fucking police???

It's over, Johnny. It's over. We're fucking doomed as a society.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Yeah, now I've read the article properly, the police are in the wrong.

I was really fucking hoping you were gonna say that.

 

[Facetious]

you just don't get it face.

the man had committed no crime.
the man was in his house.
the police entered without warrant or probable cause.
the police had no legal right to arrest him.
and clearly no necessity to tase him.

fuck the articles point of view, its on video.

yes he could have gone with them, gone to a mental ward to be evaluated by a "professional" and perhaps been locked up for an indefinate time and forced to take drugs.
but he also was 100% within his rights to refuse that and without an order signed by a judge the police have no legal right to force someone to get mental help.
which is what caused the whole situation.

And again being drunk in your home is not a crime!
so that is completely irrelevant.

Again, wouldn't it be interesting to hear the tone and tense in which the paramedics reported Mr. Mc to the authorities? I think that maybe there was a slight misunderstanding in the way that the the Sheriffs Office r-e-c-e-i-v-e-d the information from the paramedics, that's probably why they entered the Mcfarland home with as much steam as they did.

I've been a monitor of police and fire radio frequencies for eons and I could just hear how this call might have been dispatched. . . ''Medics on scene . . 64 y/o on the ground with leg injury . . (which might indicate a potential struggle or fight between Mcfarland and another individual)
''. . paramedics report the subject mentioning something about having a gun a shooting himself.'' . . . . do you see where this could go in the mind of a cop or deputy whose about to report to such a scene?

What say you?

 

[meesterperfect]

yes, i get that.
but when they arrive and see a guy who fell down some concrete stairs just sitting there doing nothing with his leg wrapped up common sense should kick in.
when the guy and his wife say everythings ok you can go , common sense kick in it should.
when the guy says i'm going to bed leave me alone get out now, sense that is common should kick in.
and also knowledge of the law and liability.
the police would not have been responsible if he later killed himself, they offered medical help, well actually they demanded it which they had no legal right to do.

I respect your point of view, i just think your fucking wrong
:glugglug:

but not this, this is good
Whenever I get drunk and happen to trip and fall in the wee hrs. of the morning, never mix the words gun, shoot and self when the paramedics arrive, I mean, If anybody knows the guns, shoots & self blues better than the paramedics . . . !
What if the paramedic staff ignored the words of Mr. Mcfarland and the very next day they learned that Mcfarland in fact later shot himself and wife in an act of a murder suicide, then what would they be thinking to themselves. . . shoulda . . woulda . . coulda(?) Really, we need to hear the testimony of the paramedics in order to make sense out of this one, maybe a transcript of their call into the sheriffs office would be helpful.

Final Note: Was it douchey for a sworn law enforcement specialist to use a taser in the fashion it was used against Mcfarland? Absolutely,

 

[Facetious]

yes, i get that.
but when they arrive and see a guy who fell down some concrete stairs just sitting there doing nothing with his leg wrapped up common sense should kick in.

But I thought that he was well off of the ground and into the house at the time of the deputies arrival, the paramedics were clearing the scene, weren't they? I think that the deputies maybe misinterpreted this as a domestic violence case. Mix domestic violence and the mention of guns and you now have very serious cops at your doorstep and beyond. Now don't get me wrong, there is absolutely no need to tase Mr. Mc, but, again, if the cops believe that they are about to engage themselves in the middle of a domestic dispute detail (some of the most dangerous calls for a cop BTW) they do intervene, search warrant or not.

This is good, you know I'm just jabbin at your ribcage, right? You'll still be my pal at the conclusion of the discussion(?)

 

[bustybbwlover]

innocent until proven guilty...shoot, tase, beat for the slightest reason

 

[mspunisher]

another interesting story for the day

 

[smoknn]

dude.
common sense.
the man was just sitting there in HIS HOME.
He told the police that everythings ok, theyre not needed.
At that point common sense should prevail.
they should have left and that would have been the end of it.

When you are in your house and not breaking any laws, the police have no legal right to be there.
whether you say please leave officer sir or get the fuck out of my house pig is not relevant.
And being intoxicated in your house is not illegal.

this man was 100% within his rights, and a judge apparently felt the same.
And what exactly were the police gonna arrest him for in the first place?

common sense, the guy was just sitting on his couch in his home.
he said theres no problem , you can leave.
then they threaten him with arrest.
then they eletrocute him?

So you want a country where police can just enter homes without a warrant or probable cause and taze people?

I'm not saying all cops are shitty, but in this case they were clearly were wrong.

if they would taze for THAT!..HILTON AND LOHAN should get the electric chair..........:thefinger<<oh..another one of these for our justice system