2024 Potential Candidates for the Presidency of the US

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bluman554 said:
I didnt vote for Biden or Harris, but I feel Kamala is being treated unfairly, by her getting the blame for Bidens blunders, mainly the border. Biden made her border Czar, and no plans on her doing anything, she is taking the fall for it. With that said, I cant see her being worse than him. She might get her chance to be POTUS with Bidens age. I have to admit, I wonder how she would be without Biden using her as a fall person??
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If you judge by the VP debate, she arguably lost to Pence. At the very least, it wasn't a clear sign of her brilliance.

It didn't take long for the cracks to show. After vilifying the tump's admin on the handling of illegal migrants, her speech just 6 months on the job was:
"I want to be clear to folks in this region who are thinking about making that dangerous trek to the United States-Mexico border: Do not come. Do not come. The United States will continue to enforce our laws and secure our border."
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https://www.npr.org/2021/06/07/1004...atemalans-not-to-migrate-to-the-united-states

Let's not forget that going into 2023, title 42 is still in effect.

That's just one issue, but I don't think you can say that she is Joe's "fall guy"; she certainly shares the blame.
 
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If you judge by the VP debate, she arguably lost to Pence. At the very least, it wasn't a clear sign of her brilliance.

It didn't take long for the cracks to show. After vilifying the tump's admin on the handling of illegal migrants, her speech just 6 months on the job was:

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/07/1004...atemalans-not-to-migrate-to-the-united-states

Let's not forget that going into 2023, title 42 is still in effect.

That's just one issue, but I don't think you can say that she is Joe's "fall guy"; she certainly shares the blame.
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I agree she's not the fall guy. Biden is generally annoyed about the border situation. It's a no-win situation - Trump certainly did not resolve the problem.

Yes, Title 42 is still in effect. Why did the DHS need to issue a warning about potential Domestic Violent Extremists? They found chatter about certain groups discussing: “firearms attacks, the placement of land mines along migration routes, and luring migrants into trailers to poison them with gas.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/28/politics/title-42-violent-extremist-attacks/index.html
 
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer said:
I would vote for Katie Porter
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...es-senate-run-as-feinstein-stays-mum-00076832

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gmase said:
I agree she's not the fall guy. Biden is generally annoyed about the border situation. It's a no-win situation - Trump certainly did not resolve the problem.

Yes, Title 42 is still in effect. Why did the DHS need to issue a warning about potential Domestic Violent Extremists? They found chatter about certain groups discussing: “firearms attacks, the placement of land mines along migration routes, and luring migrants into trailers to poison them with gas.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/28/politics/title-42-violent-extremist-attacks/index.html
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It's a political disaster for either party, you're right.
I'd say it's worse for the dems, as liberals are supposed to be more "compassionate" and loosey-goosey with immigration, especially refugees.
The dem's mistake was drawing attention to the issue for cheap emotional brownie points, when they fully knew they had no viable solution.
 
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It's a political disaster for either party, you're right.
I'd say it's worse for the dems, as liberals are supposed to be more "compassionate" and loosey-goosey with immigration, especially refugees.
The dem's mistake was drawing attention to the issue for cheap emotional brownie points, when they fully knew they had no viable solution.
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It's not even a political issue.
Newly-minted Independent Sinema is touring the border and its facilities along with 4 Republicans and 3 Democrat. To underscore for Bye-done and Kamalhump that it's not about politics, or compassion, or any of the other contrived, disingenuous rationales they have for unchecked, unfettered, unwelcome illegal immigrants pouring across the country's border.
It's about national security and border integrity - a fundamental duty of the president and the federal government. And they're bollocksing the fuck out of it. Many would say intentionally. From both sides of the aisle, this administration is being directly told - secure the nation's border.
 
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When was it last secured? It has been fairly porous for a couple centuries - granted our southern border expanded a bit over that period.

Trump’s wall failed. Ducey’s shipping container stunt was unremarkable as well.

Both sides are using theatrics to make a point, but the problem still exists - for both parties. My governor (Jared Polis) was busing immigrants to Chicago and NY until their mayors complained.
 
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gmase said:
Nikki Haley officially joins the 2024 Republican scrum:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/14/nikki-haley-2024-presidential-campaign-00082715
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Putting aside her chances of winning, she's who I'd like to win the nom.

Let's assume tump doesn't have the balls to run independently, or that his followers are just smart enough to vote GOP even if he splits.
Nikki can benefit from white-passing in that she doesn't look too racialized, which might turn off some racists. Simultaneously, she can appeal to female, Asian and Indian voters, which is both a huge voting bloc, and one that the GOP isn't known to appeal to.
Heck, there very well may be hilary voters who will vote for her, just to see a woman win.

I'll be listening to what she has to say and see if has the substance to run.
 
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Putting aside her chances of winning, she's who I'd like to win the nom.

Let's assume tump doesn't have the balls to run independently, or that his followers are just smart enough to vote GOP even if he splits.
Nikki can benefit from white-passing in that she doesn't look too racialized, which might turn off some racists. Simultaneously, she can appeal to female, Asian and Indian voters, which is both a huge voting bloc, and one that the GOP isn't known to appeal to.
Heck, there very well may be hilary voters who will vote for her, just to see a woman win.

I'll be listening to what she has to say and see if has the substance to run.
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According to Madeline Albright if a gal doesn't vote for a woman she will join her in Hell in a very special place. Nikki Haley has her first endorsement.

 
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https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/02/15/nikki-haley-competency-tests-00083018

Nikki is on the right track here. It may require a new amendment, but a competency test for politicians over 75 makes sense to me. Seventy would be a better number in my opinion.

Of course, something this subjective would not be easy to implement or enforce. We have the ‘slippery slope’ of the appropriate age to test. Why not test all candidates for competency?
 
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gmase said:
Of course, something this subjective would not be easy to implement or enforce. We have the ‘slippery slope’ of the appropriate age to test. Why not test all candidates for competency?
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Mainly because it would be opposed by those who would be likely to fail it....
 
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Haley vows to strip US aid for countries ‘that hate us’ if elected
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/othe...countries-that-hate-us-if-elected/ar-AA17VLRB

Haley said in an op-ed in The New York Post that taxpayers deserve to know where U.S. foreign aid is going and would be “shocked” to learn that much of it is supporting “anti-American” countries and causes.
“Backing American allies and friends like Israel and Ukraine is smart. Sending our tax dollars to enemies isn’t,” Haley said. “That’s why I will cut every cent in foreign aid for countries that hate us. A strong America doesn’t pay off the bad guys.”
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What do you think?

I get where she's coming from and how this could resonate with her base.
But there's also the fact that those governments that "America bash", are often ones that have people in the country that need the aid, who aren't anti-American.
 
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tvstrip said:
Haley vows to strip US aid for countries ‘that hate us’ if elected
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/othe...countries-that-hate-us-if-elected/ar-AA17VLRB



What do you think?

I get where she's coming from and how this could resonate with her base.
But there's also the fact that those governments that "America bash", are often ones that have people in the country that need the aid, who aren't anti-American.
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A good example is the earthquake in Syria/Turkey.

Syria isn't exactly a friend of the US (or most of the world for that matter), but are we going to say "Too bad, no aid for you?"
 
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gmase said:
We should not say too bad. It is a humanitarian issue, not a political issue. We preciously provided aid to North Korea

Marianne Williamson will challenge Joe.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...-confirms-she-will-primary-biden-in-2024/amp/
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Exactly. Lots of times the aid is also covert, like via aid organizations. Done well, you can also turn the opinion of the repressed people. It's a powerful tool if done well.


As for the Dems,
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/04/politics/marianne-williamson-democrat-president-biden-2024/index.html

While she doesn't seem to be looked at as a strong challenger, it would be interesting to see if this spurs that army of Dem candidates from last time to try again. Joe himself hasn't put in his candidacy yet, and I'm curious to see if Kamala will make her own run.
 
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While she doesn't seem to be looked at as a strong challenger, it would be interesting to see if this spurs that army of candidates from last time to try again. Joe himself hasn't put in his candidacy yet, and I'm curious to see if Kamala will make her own run.
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How about further back from the way back machine?
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