I don't know about my Twins just yet but they took their first series against the team that's the favorite in the AL Central, the Tigers. I was pleased with them gutting out the last two of the three game series.
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BAYAMONXXX
Land Of The Snakes
Roy Halladay out after 4+ IP. Has allowed 5 ER :clap:
His velocity is way down. Will have to adjust to new style or it will be really long season
OTOH- Mets Matt Harvey is dealing
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Cardinals fan?! Oh brother..
I am Mets fan.
It's OK. One of my best buddies is a Met fan. The rivalry isn't near what it was back in the '80s.
Pardon my rant, which may offend some people.
I've been shunned by the family because I'm no longer a Cubs fan. I've struggled as one since I was a kid, but I've had enough of that "loveable losers" crap. I can't back a team or organization that I don't respect. This is not an overnight decision. It has been a transitional process for years, trying to stick it out and be a "true fan", and I finally reached the end of it. Thankfully, I started becoming a White Sox fan in the 90's and now they are the only Chicago baseball team I'll support.
I realize there are some true Cubs fans out there - not just people who use the Cubs as an excuse to come to the famous Wrigley Field - so I know they have some actual fans, but I don't believe they deserve to have fans. You don't go over a century without a World Series win and expect reasonable people to remain loyal. They don't improve, they won't improve. They have no incentive to improve because people will buy tickets and merchandise either way, because people want to come to Wrigley - no matter who's playing. The seats can face away from the field and it wouldn't make much of a difference.
They should retire the team and turn them into something like a baseball equivalent to the Harlem Globetrotters. It would still draw in the same crowd and it would be entertaining. Let the White Sox be the league team since they actually care about the game of baseball.
Of course, realistically, this would never happen. These people fear any change, even when it's logical. Look at how they shat themselves over moving the scoreboard. Tradition is nice, but not when it gets in the way of progression.
I've been shunned by the family because I'm no longer a Cubs fan. I've struggled as one since I was a kid, but I've had enough of that "loveable losers" crap. I can't back a team or organization that I don't respect. This is not an overnight decision. It has been a transitional process for years, trying to stick it out and be a "true fan", and I finally reached the end of it. Thankfully, I started becoming a White Sox fan in the 90's and now they are the only Chicago baseball team I'll support.
I realize there are some true Cubs fans out there - not just people who use the Cubs as an excuse to come to the famous Wrigley Field - so I know they have some actual fans, but I don't believe they deserve to have fans. You don't go over a century without a World Series win and expect reasonable people to remain loyal. They don't improve, they won't improve. They have no incentive to improve because people will buy tickets and merchandise either way, because people want to come to Wrigley - no matter who's playing. The seats can face away from the field and it wouldn't make much of a difference.
They should retire the team and turn them into something like a baseball equivalent to the Harlem Globetrotters. It would still draw in the same crowd and it would be entertaining. Let the White Sox be the league team since they actually care about the game of baseball.
Of course, realistically, this would never happen. These people fear any change, even when it's logical. Look at how they shat themselves over moving the scoreboard. Tradition is nice, but not when it gets in the way of progression.
BCT
Pucker Up Butter Cup.
I lost all respect for the Cubs after the Bartman incident. I've always hated the Cubs because its just natural as a Cardinals fan but at least I respected them until they threatened that poor mans life over a fucking baseball game.
Oh and btw Royals, i'm not buying it, you still suck a bag of dicks.
Oh and btw Royals, i'm not buying it, you still suck a bag of dicks.
I lost all respect for the Cubs after the Bartman incident. I've always hated the Cubs because its just natural as a Cardinals fan but at least I respected them until they threatened that poor mans life over a fucking baseball game.
Oh and btw Royals, i'm not buying it, you still suck a bag of dicks.
To my understanding, it was Cubs fans, not the Cubs themselves who threatened him.
Yes the rivalry is nothing like in the 1980s before division realignment
Mets just have not gotten it together since that 2006 NLCS loss to Cards.
BCT
Pucker Up Butter Cup.
Not entirely true, Moises Alou's hissy fit is what drew most of the attention from the rest of the crowd. If he doesn't flip out about it to that extreme most fans would have treated it like a regular foul ball, there would have been a few moans and groans but if Alou doesn't lose his shit then Bartman might still be in Chicago. Yes Alou did not threaten him but hes the main reason that crowd was on that poor guys ass.
Tough break for Greinke. Don't think it was a dirty pitch at all.
I was at that game last night. Benches cleared twice in about 5 minutes. Dodgers/Padres is always a pretty intense series (the games not so much, but the fans HATE each other) usually the fighting is done in the stands, though, of which there were 4 or 5 at least that I saw. I'll take Quentin's side on this one, because I'm a Padre fan, and who doesn't want to see an ace for a division rival out for 2 months, regardless of the reason?
I understand and respect your loyalty as Padres fan ...
but there seemed no reason for Greinke to hit Quentin in 6th inning of 1 run game.
Quentin leans out over the plate, he is fair game for a pitcher.
He had NL leading 17 HBP last year and in 2011 AL leading 23 times HBP. In his 8 seasons he has been hit 116 times.
Tough blow for Greinke and Dodgers. I guess they will bring Capuano out from the pen.
Jorge Soler of the Cubs a few nights ago, the Padres and Dodgers, who else? Lots of outbursts from the players this year. Maybe they should allow fighting like they do in hockey. It would surely make it more entertaining.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
In that case, Quentin should have gotten a double-minor (for the broken collarbone), a 5-minute fighting major and a game misconduct. Greinke should have gotten a 5-minute major for being an instigator.
I've thought about this from multiple angles, mostly because its been all over the local (shit) talk radio shows all day here. No doubt, at one point in his career, Quentin crowded the plate, but watching the replay of this at-bat, he's not that close to the plate. Also, as far as the "there's no reason to hit him" concept, I both agree and disagree. A 3-2 count, facing Quentin, who is arguably the only actual danger in the Padres' lineup, Greinke isn't going to go after him in that situation. A breaking ball off the plate, or a fastball low and away is the pitch there. Watching the replay, Ellis, the catcher is set up outside, and Greinke misses up and in. An ace, who was having a pretty decent game up to that point, missing location, with a fastball, by almost 5 feet? Not improbable, but unlikely, especially with the control Greinke was exhibiting last night. If you aren't going to give a pitch to hit anyway, instead of walking Quentin, why not just dot him up and take your chances with the rest of the Padres' shitty lineup? Especially knowing that you can use the justification that "Quentin crowds the plate, he gets hit 20 times + or - a year, he dives at pitches, yadda, yadda, yadda..." all the while knowing you get to pluck a guy you don't like, and likely get away with it.
I feel like the chances that the pitch was intentional are slim, yet existent. After the pitch, Greinke tossed his head to the side as if to indicate that the pitch was a mistake and that he was disappointed with giving up a baserunner, although at the time he did that, Quentin's back was turned and he didn't see the body language. Quentin takes a step towards the mound, Greinke drops him an F-Bomb or whatever it was that he said, and that was that. I won't say he should have indicated that the pitch was a mistake, but if you have a history of hitting a guy, and you don't give him any indication (that he clearly sees) that the pitch was unintentional, getting charged is a risk you run. I'm not implying that you have to, or even that you should, but it probably would have served Greinke well to have done so last night, especially when considering Quentin outweighs him by at least 40 lbs.
Greinke's quote after the game is telling, also: “He (Quentin) always seems to think that I’m hitting him on purpose..." The fact that the term "always" is in there implies that there is a history to that dynamic, and that Greinke fully understands that history. Whether he deserves Quentin's ire or not is irrelevant. Yes, Quentin has been hit 118-whatever-number-of-times in his career, but this is the first time he has ever charged the mound in his career, which I believe is also telling. In my personal opinion, I think it could have most likely been avoided if Greinke had just gave Quentin a "whoops" or a "my bad" type of motion instead of mouthing off, throwing down his glove and going all tough-guy. What's the harm in admitting a mistake? Certainly less than not doing so in that particular instance.
Having said all that, do I think it was intentional? No, I don't. But the above is just my in depth take of why the situation played itself out in the fashion that it did. If they suspend Quentin for more than 4-8 games (which is standard for charging the mound), its total bullshit in my eyes. You punish the action, not the result of the action.
Sorry for my rant, but the Padres are so rarely relevant in the national sports discussion I felt like I needed to contribute my :2 cents:. And still, its the Dodgers. Their players are classless, their fans are even more classless and as a Padre fan, there's not one redeeming quality to any of them, so if any prominent Dodger has a broken collarbone and is out for 2 months, regardless of the reason, good, fuck 'em.
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