2012 London Olympics

[STDiva]

Fair points, all. And I'm not at all in favour of any country fielding two teams for the Olympics, but it is an interesting concept. What about letting the people who don't make the American basketball team, who are American and play for the NBA eligible for other countries?

:stir:

I think they are allowed. Hakeem Olajuan was born in Africa and played for the U.S. One of the American sprinters is Jamaican and a Canadian was on the US women's soccer team. I'm not sure about the actual rule though.

 

[Straight Shooter]

All those guys that are injured? Guys are injured every year, or choose not to play. Also, which American is going to want to play on the shittier of the 3 teams? And have to lose against his countrymen? Spain went toe to toe twice with the best the U.S has to offer and you think the guys that didn't make it could beat them? No way. There isn't enough American bigs to go around for 3 teams.

Same goes with hockey. Sure Canada could field two teams, but they wouldn't sweep.

There is a serious drop off of talent after the 1st team.

Both Griffin and Rose would have been on this years team had they not been injured. Rose played for the U.S in the 2010 FIBA World Championships and Griffin was actually on the roster but he got injured and Anthony Davis replaced him.

 

[STDiva]

Both Griffin and Rose would have been on this years team had they not been injured. Rose played for the U.S in the 2010 FIBA World Championships and Griffin was actually on the roster but he got injured and Anthony Davis replaced him.

I know. So this team would have been better. Doesn't mean two other teams could medal. By the time the 3rd team picked, it'd be you, BSS and Jarret Jack.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I know. So this team would have been better. Doesn't mean two other teams could medal. By the time the 3rd team picked, it'd be you, BSS and Jarret Jack.

I dont know what BSS is talking about, I'm just saying that both Rose and Griffin would have been on this team had they not been injured

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I know. So this team would have been better. Doesn't mean two other teams could medal. By the time the 3rd team picked, it'd be you, BSS and Jarret Jack.

You couldn't find 24 (NBA) and 12 (NCAA)? Hell I'm not the biggest basketball fan but even I think I could hammer out a few rosters of some pretty damn good three teams. Now of course they would be a tad watered down compared to a 12 man "elite" but my point is rostering three teams that would look respectable against the likes of Spains and Argentinas of the world can be done.


The Olympics had 12 teams, am I rite? One team didn't even have an NBA player. Saying I couldn't do the above is nonsense.

 

[STDiva]

You could field a team. Who's going to guard the Gasols? That's all I'm saying. There is a serious lack of size after the first team takes their pick.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

You could field a team. Who's going to guard the Gasols? That's all I'm saying. There is a serious lack of size after the first team takes their pick.

Jefferson. Noah. Camby. Lopez's. Kaman. Odem if he got healthy. Pryzbylla. Bynum. Howard. That's not even tapping NCAA cats.

Now my point was to spread it around. There wouldn't be a "first team" but three evenly split teams. And big men are not always all that talented anyways.

 

[STDiva]

Half of those guys aren't American. And I doubt they'd risk a Gold for a chance to sweep by spreading the guys out.

I think Stern will get his way and have his guys out of the Olympics anyway.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Kaman isn't American. All the others listed there are. Both Noah's parents aren't American but through birthright citizenship he is cuz born in NY.

I'm not saying this should ever try this, just trying to make a point about basketball being a stranglehold of talent here in the states.

It would just be interesting the teams that could come just from the states. It would be fun to see it done.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I don't think a 2nd American team could beat Spain. Who'd be on it? Considering there was basically no bigs on the 1 team, Spain and Lithuania would eat a less talented American team alive.

What will be interesting is if NBA players aren't allowed to play, or Stern gets his way and only 23 years old and younger can play. The U.S would still be favourites, but not heavy like this year.

I agree, it's an idiotic idea. Once you get to the second and especially the third team, it would be made up of role players. Remember you need 12 players for the roster

 

[Johan]

Noah's born in the US. But his father, Yannick Noah's french, His mother's Swedish and his grand prents -father's side" are from Cameroun
His grand father playedsoccer in french teams and was in the Cameroun National Team.
From 3 to 13, Joakim lived in France, his first basketball team was Paris-Levallois.

Joakim could have choosen not to play for France and try to get his spot in the US team. He choosed France.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Noah's born in the US. But his father, Yannick Noah's french, His mother's Swedish and his grand prents -father's side" are from Cameroun
His grand father playedsoccer in french teams and was in the Cameroun National Team.
From 3 to 13, Joakim lived in France, his first basketball team was Paris-Levallois.

Joakim could have choosen not to play for France and try to get his spot in the US team. He choosed France.

I'm aware of his parents' status in things.

Funny he chose to play college basketball for Florida though, eh, if he is indeed so adamant about his Euro or Cameroon roots for that matter.

At the end of the day he a good center but there are numerous better than him stateside.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I agree, it's an idiotic idea. Once you get to the second and especially the third team, it would be made up of role players. Remember you need 12 players for the roster

Once again you have missed my point. Each team would basically be all All Stars on their starting five and the bench would have quality NBA talent. This is for sure doable. I don't know many teams had even quality NBA talent in this Olympics but it surely DROPPED after the medal teams immensely.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Okay let's try this.

Starting roster for three US teams:

Center: Howard, Bynum, Jefferson
PF: Love, Stoudemire, Griffin, Bosh
SF: Durrant, James, Anthony, Pierce, Gay
SG: Wade, Bryant, Allen, Ellis
PG: Rose, Paul, Westbrook, Williams, Rondo

C'mon son. You put a bunch of scrubs on the bench (fuck they could be NCAA) and these starting - well, MORE than a starting for every team - and yes, America could roster three teams that could sweep. I rest my case.

 

[Johan]

Once again you have missed my point. Each team would basically be all All Stars on their starting five and the bench would have quality NBA talent. This is for sure doable. I don't know many teams had even quality NBA talent in this Olympics but it surely DROPPED after the medal teams immensely.

Actually, Spain only had 3 NBA players. The Other 9 are playing in the russian league.
Russia had 3 NBA players, Argentina had 4, Brazil 3, France 6, Australia 2, Lithuania 0

 

[xfire]

I don't think a 2nd American team could beat Spain. Who'd be on it? Considering there was basically no bigs on the 1 team, Spain and Lithuania would eat a less talented American team alive.

What will be interesting is if NBA players aren't allowed to play, or Stern gets his way and only 23 years old and younger can play. The U.S would still be favourites, but not heavy like this year.

The 23 and younger rule that Stern is pushing for would apply to all countries, not just the U.S.

And hell, you could take the top three teams out of the NBA Playoffs, find suitable replacements for the foreigners on those team, and completely sweep the Olympics.

 

[Straight Shooter]

The 23 and younger rule that Stern is pushing for would apply to all countries, not just the U.S.

And hell, you could take the top three teams out of the NBA Playoffs, find suitable replacements for the foreigners on those team, and completely sweep the Olympics.

I would be in favor of this as long as it would apply to all countries. Our amateur players are better than the rest of the world's plus we have NBA players who would still be able to play as some of them are under 23. If this rule were in place for these Olympics, Rose, Griffin(I know they're injured) Harden, and Davis would all have been eligible to play alongside the college kids on the team.

You could implement the under-23 rule and allow each squad three over-23 players. This is the same thing they do for soccer in the Olympics

 

[STDiva]

Okay let's try this.

Starting roster for three US teams:

Center: Howard, Bynum, Jefferson
PF: Love, Stoudemire, Griffin, Bosh
SF: Durrant, James, Anthony, Pierce, Gay
SG: Wade, Bryant, Allen, Ellis
PG: Rose, Paul, Westbrook, Williams, Rondo

C'mon son. You put a bunch of scrubs on the bench (fuck they could be NCAA) and these starting - well, MORE than a starting for every team - and yes, America could roster three teams that could sweep. I rest my case.

Lol Pierce, Allen, Jefferson, El lis and Stoudamire don't belong anywhere near an Olympic team. Also, Spain would crush that last squad.

I think it was the 2004 squad thart proved you can't just throw a bunch of players together and win.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

The 23 and younger rule that Stern is pushing for would apply to all countries, not just the U.S.

And hell, you could take the top three teams out of the NBA Playoffs, find suitable replacements for the foreigners on those team, and completely sweep the Olympics.

Basically, yes.

Okay let's try this.

Starting roster for three US teams:

Center: Howard, Bynum, Jefferson
PF: Love, Stoudemire, Griffin, Bosh
SF: Durrant, James, Anthony, Pierce, Gay
SG: Wade, Bryant, Allen, Ellis
PG: Rose, Paul, Westbrook, Williams, Rondo

C'mon son. You put a bunch of scrubs on the bench (fuck they could be NCAA) and these starting - well, MORE than a starting for every team - and yes, America could roster three teams that could sweep. I rest my case.

Lol Pierce, Allen, Jefferson, El lis and Stoudamire don't belong anywhere near an Olympic team. Also, Spain would crush that last squad.

I think it was the 2004 squad thart proved you can't just throw a bunch of players together and win.

I give up.

 

[xfire]

Only two players from Team Espana would have been eligible if the rules were 23-and under. Argentina would have only fielded one player from their current roster under those rules. 23 and younger would make Olympic basketball look like the NCAA, and guess who would dominate that arena?