Obamacare Fuck Up

[ApolloBalboa]

He would have taxed them more, lied to them and gave more money to his favorite voters. It is already clear for me.

Again, how can all that be so blatantly clear to you and you don't even reside here? There's no way you can have any more introspection into politics here than a citizen does, and I don't see anyone else parroting your statements.

Seriously, stick to dissing Hollande and French government, at least that's something that somebody might believe you have actual proof in discussing.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I want my Freeones board back

 

[Mariahxxx]

You'll have to pry it from our cold dead hands....

 

[Mayhem]

House Republicans Skip Obamacare Briefing They Furiously Demanded

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/house-republicans-obamacare-briefing_n_4178762.html

For all their fury, most of the House Republicans who had demanded their own closed-door briefing from the administration on President Barack Obama's struggling health care rollout were no-shows on Wednesday.

Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) told reporters that "about 20 members" attended the House GOP briefing, at which senior Health and Human Services Department official Mike Hash laid out some of the issues facing the Healthcare.gov website.

The meeting was scheduled after House Republicans cried foul when they weren't included in last week's closed-door session with Democrats. The White House said Democrats had requested the briefing, but Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), deemed the snub "all the more offensive after [HHS] Secretary Sebelius declined to testify" at a House committee hearing last Thursday on Obamacare.

Sebelius was unable to attend last week's hearing because she was traveling in Phoenix at the time, although several of the top contractors for the Healthcare.gov website did appear. The secretary testified at a subsequent hearing this Wednesday morning, during which she apologized for the problems that have plagued the website and enrollment process and accepted the blame.

Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said House Republicans' need to receive their own briefing had become less compelling once Sebelius was set to testify and field questions from members of Congress.

"At the time the briefing was scheduled, Secretary Sebelius was refusing to testify openly at a Congressional committee," Steel told The Huffington Post in an email. "Given her testimony today, and the CMS [Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services] administrator’s yesterday, the situation had changed."

It's unclear if the private briefing would have offered Republicans information beyond that Sebelius provided the House Energy and Commerce Committee, but it would have been an opportunity for all GOP members, rather than just those on the committee, to pose questions to administration officials. Officials also tend to be more forthcoming with details behind closed doors.

 

[wdoall]

Listen Yankee, I am not a Frenchie first , I am French but I have Russian, Finnish, German, Estonian and Swedish roots.Second, my ****** name isn't Dupont. Perhaps I don't get a vote in American elections but I don't vote for someone who is liar, a bullshitter, a fucking community leader and above all a greedy socialist

then you wouldn't voted all of all politicians are exactly what you mention there they're all garbage human being that's why they go into politics

 

[mongo18]

the deficit is dropping faster than at any time in the last 70 years. jobs are gaining, slowly but gaining and the market is booming. what the fuck are you bitching about?

I already exposed this lie on the debt ceiling thread and you are so fucking stupid that you bring it up again. God you are glutton for punishment. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEBT AND DEFICITS. Instead of being a around the clock pussy hound, your time would be better spent taking a few night classes in economics at Pasco County Community College. You have not demonstrated one ounce of understanding of even the basics of economics. A 20 in your garter 101 isn't going to get you a job at Bank Of America.

Huh??? Mariah is spot on, the deficit, you poor simpleton, is the difference between how much money the government takes in and how much money the government spends. In 2009, our president's first year, which we all agree is almost solely a result of the previous government, the deficit was about 10% of the country's GDP (that's gross domestic product, if you're still managing to keep up). This year the country is on a path to have a deficit (we're still on deficit) of around 4% of GDP (4% is less than 10%).

So the DEFICIT is falling at a very fast rate. This point goes to Mariah.

The debt is not falling, because we are still in deficit. Deficit makes the debt go up (I really hope I haven't lost you along the way here). While debt on its own is mostly an inherently bad thing, people who know things about how economies work (not you, or any republican apparently), agree that deficit spending, not spending cuts leading to austerity, is what's required to grow a weak economy. I could get into why that is the case, but I have better things to do and I know full well you wouldn't understand any of it.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Huh??? Mariah is spot on, the deficit, you poor simpleton, is the difference between how much money the government takes in and how much money the government spends. In 2009, our president's first year, which we all agree is almost solely a result of the previous government, the deficit was about 10% of the country's GDP (that's gross domestic product, if you're still managing to keep up). This year the country is on a path to have a deficit (we're still on deficit) of around 4% of GDP (4% is less than 10%).

So the DEFICIT is falling at a very fast rate. This point goes to Mariah.

The debt is not falling, because we are still in deficit. Deficit makes the debt go up (I really hope I haven't lost you along the way here). While debt on its own is mostly an inherently bad thing, people who know things about how economies work (not you, or any republican apparently), agree that deficit spending, not spending cuts leading to austerity, is what's required to grow a weak economy. I could get into why that is the case, but I have better things to do and I know full well you wouldn't understand any of it.

Pull up a chair and have a seat boy, I am going to educate you. Now I know you aren't an American by birth but you seem starved for information so I figure it is worth a shot. Ms Mariah said the deficit is dropping under the guidance of the Obama administration and their wonderful policies. The fact is while spending may have dropped percentage wise during his first 5 years in office this only has occured because of Republicans and cuts that took place because of the sequester not because Obama suddenly turned into a penny pincher. Couple that with the fact that Obama spent 900 billion his first year in office in a failed stimulus and fortunately nothing after that the percentages appear to drop dramatically. THE DEBT is a culmination of DEFICITS. So while Mariah is technically correct that the deficit has fallen under Obama's presidency, it could do nothing else after cuts kicked in and raising revenues relative to spending damn near 1 trillion right out of the gate . Now go fuck a crocodile you Aussie asswhistle.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Aussie asswhistle.

Always avoid alliteration.

 

[Mariahxxx]

failed stimulus? do you forget we were losing 780,000 jobs a MONTH by the time GWB left office? no one was hiring. no one was spending. no one was lending. people were going to lose their businesses. now we are adding jobs and have been for 4 years, every month. so how exactly is it failed???

 

[Jack Davenport]

failed stimulus? do you forget we were losing 780,000 jobs a MONTH by the time GWB left office? no one was hiring. no one was spending. no one was lending. people were going to lose their businesses. now we are adding jobs and have been for 4 years, every month. so how exactly is it failed???

Mariah sign up for those classes I suggested earlier in the thread. I swear to you that if you do and furnish proof that you enrolled I will call admissions and personally pay for your first semester tuition. I am not bullshitting. Those jobs were being lost at that rate during the last few months of Bush's presidency DURING the financial crisis. Those job losses were a direct result of losses in the banking and financial sectors and trickle down to other positions directly affected. Just about every economist agrees that the 1 trillion did nothing to stimulate the economy and it damn sure didn't create jobs. It wasn't intended for anything other than an emergency ********* to our economy. Job growth under Obama has been basically non existent under Obama and the GDP numbers under this president are worse than any president since Reconstruction.

You will also be happy to know getting back to the topic of Obamascare that CNN is reporting tonight that the White House has been contacting CEO's of insurance companies and threatening to keep their mouths shut about their plans and why they are not allowing them to be acceptable under ACA guidelines. You want data mining I know you are a fan, the Dept of HHS is furnishing your personal information to corporations that will enable insurance companies to in turn furnish the info to health care providers and hospitals to supposedly prioritize who recieves treatment and when. CLUSTERFUCK! THY NAME IS OBAMASCARE!

 

[mongo18]

Pull up a chair and have a seat boy, I am going to educate you. Now I know you aren't an American by birth but you seem starved for information so I figure it is worth a shot. Ms Mariah said the deficit is dropping under the guidance of the Obama administration and their wonderful policies. The fact is while spending may have dropped percentage wise during his first 5 years in office this only has occured because of Republicans and cuts that took place because of the sequester not because Obama suddenly turned into a penny pincher. Couple that with the fact that Obama spent 900 billion his first year in office in a failed stimulus and fortunately nothing after that the percentages appear to drop dramatically. THE DEBT is a culmination of DEFICITS. So while Mariah is technically correct that the deficit has fallen under Obama's presidency, it could do nothing else after cuts kicked in and raising revenues relative to spending damn near 1 trillion right out of the gate . Now go fuck a crocodile you Aussie asswhistle.

Actually, Mariah said the deficit is dropping. She said nothing about why. You said learn the difference between debt and deficit, a statement bewildering at best, indicative of a complete lack of understanding of the difference between them yourself.
Compounding your obvious ignorance is your "failed stimulus" jab. Sure, proof of success or failure can't be empirically proven because it's a what if scenario, except that the non partisan congressional budget office, about 80% of economists surveyed by the University of Chicago's school of business, National Bureau of Economic Research, etc etc all agreed that it did work. Maybe you know more about economics than those guys? Oh no wait, you keep on proving you know jack **** about economics.

Keep talking down to me if you think it makes you sound smarter or superior somehow. You're living in denial of facts and reality, and you are what is wrong with this country.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Sorry your pride was hurt. Don't pull the smoke and mirrors bullshit with me. It is really simple. If you start your first year in office spending over one trillion dollars and then the next year the loyal opposition gains power and ****** you to cut spending and include revenue enhancement then voila! The deficit drops at a dramatic rate. It really isn't an arguable point. It's what happened and I explained why it happened without all the bullshit. I'm glad we could have this little talk. Class dismissed.

 

[Straight Shooter]

What happened to this board?

 

[Master Roshi]

political lies are a regularity nowadays and have been for a long time and anyone who thinks deficits are falling, needs to go back and do some homework

 

[Jack Davenport]

political lies are a regularity nowadays and have been for a long time and anyone who thinks deficits are falling, needs to go back and do some homework

Correct. Raising spending to the highest in our history then unprecedented stimulus amounts make just about anything that they after that APPEAR to be lowering the deficit. And this lie being repeated by people because it soumds good just makes me want to yank my hair out.

 

[Master Roshi]

yes Blue, deficits are rising and continue to do so at record levels, I know there are tons of news articles that claim that deficits have fallen, are falling or are the lowest in X amount of years but guess what people, those articles are lying to you and anyone who takes these toilet papers as gospel should do a little research on "ghost writing" but remember as long as the private federal reserve does not run out of zeros then this deficit game can go on for a very long time to the detriment of those who choose to hold the majority of their assets in federal reserve notes

 

[Mariahxxx]

by the way, a lot of the spending Obama has done has been to pay for the things Bush put on a credit card and didn't pay for. You know those 2 wars that cost TRILLIONS of dollars. Love how you guys saddle Obama with Bush's debts.

 

[Master Roshi]

by the way, a lot of the spending Obama has done has been to pay for the things Bush put on a credit card and didn't pay for. You know those 2 wars that cost TRILLIONS of dollars. Love how you guys saddle Obama with Bush's debts.

they both ramped up spending, both are dirtbags that complement each other well IMO

 

[Master Roshi]

the US military industrial empire has continued to expand under Obama as it was under Bush, Obama has done nothing to scale down the size and scope, the US still has over 180 military installations throughout the world, our current commander in cheat will not take any steps to shrink it and I bet the next a-*** that comes after him will do nothing to curb it and that's because the MONEY that backs these clowns does not want it to shrink

 

[Jack Davenport]

Nobody is debating that Bush and the Republicans spent like ******* sailors. And I am going to make a concession that will surprise most of the libs. I think that Democrats have a far more responsible approach that if you are going to spend like mad at least they raised revenues to offset some of that. Republic adopted the big spending and cut revenue. The issue that I have is when Democrats claim that deficits have fallen at the fastest rate in 70 years knowing full well that they spent like crazy when they held both houses and the only time they started cutting was when they had to deal with a Republican house. But that trillion dollar stimulus would have never ****** a Republican house.