2012 Presidential/Vice Presidential Debates Thread

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
1. “Mr. President, you’re entitled as the president to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts.” — Mitt Romney

2. “The president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years, that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more — if you will, trickle-down government — would work.” — Mitt Romney

3. “You don’t just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers.” — Mitt Romney [talking about Obama’s $90 billion investment in failed green energy companies]

4. “We’ve got 23 million people out of work or stopped looking for work in this country… When the president took office, 32 million people on food stamps; 47 million on food stamps today; economic growth this year slower than last year, and last year slower than the year before. Going forward with the status quo is not going to cut it for the American people who are struggling today.” — Mitt Romney

5. “Jim, I — you may want to move onto another topic.” — Barack Obama [wherein Obama asks the moderator to change the subject because he was getting a shellacking on the subject of taxes]

6. “This is bigger than an election about the two of us as individuals. It’s bigger than our respective parties. It’s an election about the course of America. What kind of America do you want to have for yourself and for your ********?” — Mitt Romney

7. “I just don’t know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table, and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American people.” — Mitt Romney

8. “Well, first of all, I think Governor Romney’s going to have a busy first day, because he’s also going to repeal Obamacare, which will not be very popular among Democrats as you’re sitting down with them.” — Barack Obama [did he just admit Romney’s going to have a “first day” in office?]

9. “Look, I’ve been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you’re talking about.” — Mitt Romney [in response to Obama’s claim that the U.S. gives tax breaks to businesses who “send jobs overseas”]

10. “You put $90 billion into green jobs. And I’m all in favor of green energy. $90 billion, that would have hired 2 million teachers. $90 billion. And these businesses, many of them, have gone out of business. I think about half of them, of the ones [that] have been invested in, have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” — Mitt Romney

11. “Dodd-Frank is the biggest kiss that’s been given to New York banks I’ve ever seen.” — Mitt Romney

12. “I Had 5 Seconds Before You Interrupted Me.” — Barack Obama [wherein Obama realizes he’s lost the debate and lashes out at a moderator who’d already allotted him 10% more time than his opponent]

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larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
From what I have seen, Romney "won" the debate, however

New York Times columnist and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman said, Mr Obama "did a terrible job in the debate, and Romney did well".

"But in the end, this isn't or shouldn't be about theatre criticism, it should be about substance," Mr Krugman said defending Mr Obama's statements whilst charging that "much of what Romney said was either outright false or so misleading as to be the moral equivalent of a lie".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19825263
 
Romney was a total disaster. If that's the best he's got he may as well make his concession call now.

The debate didn't change my vote, but what debate were you watching? I saw a poll where something like 67% of the people thought Romney won and 25% thought Obama won. I wondered who the 25% were and if they were just hard core Obama supporters.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
The only way anyone could have thought Romney won was if they had no clue how many lies he was telling. Romney came off as an aggressive, lying, desperate douche bag.
 

meesterperfect

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yeah, obama was rusty.
even though he's goes through almost everyday of his life on a podium public speaking he was rusty.


its not that romney is the real deal and obama is just a poser and can't play in the same league because he just doesn't have what it takes.

obama tried his cheap tactics like implying that the repubs want to hurt ********, seniors, middle class and poor and romney shut him down each time.
i think the philosophy of both came out pretty clear, even though as usual obama tried to disguise his.
one guy says a strong economy is the key to a better life for all and the other says its bigger GOV.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-romney-obama-lies-hang.html

Mitt Romney Gives Obama All The Lies He Needs to Hang Him With

Mitt Romney’s lie based strategy couldn’t measure up to Obama, and gave the president all the rope he needs to hang the Republican nominee.

The first question was about jobs, and Obama framed the question as about the future direction of the country. Romney starts off with an immediate lie that he is not going to cut taxes on the rich, and launched into his stump speech five point plan that provides no details. Eight minutes into the debate, Romney’s main pitch was “trust me” on the economy. (Romney looks nervous and like he might throw up.) Romney then broke off a lie and said that he doesn’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. Romney then tried to paint himself as the candidate of the middle class, with the claim that middle income families are being crushed under Obama. Romney promises to drill on government land for oil and natural gas, and touts drill, baby drill. Romney sprinkled a little fairy dust and claimed that he isn’t raising taxes on the middle class. Obama hits Romney by telling the truth that Romney has been pushing a $5 trillion tax cut. Obama blasts Romney for not delivering specifics on what deductions and loopholes he would close.

It took less than 16 minutes for Romney lose his cool and interrupt the moderator. Romney followed up by contradicting his own running mate’s claim that Romney is going to cut taxes 20% across the board for all income earners. Obama brought Romney back to reality by telling him that his tax plan doesn’t add up. Obama touted cutting taxes 18 times, and cutting taxes for the 98%.

Obama hit Romney for defining millionaires and billionaires is small business. Mitt Romney delivered some highly deceiving statistics about small businesses. According to Washington Monthly the Romney/Republican definition includes, “Many of those 750,000 small businesses aren’t small at all. Some, like Bechtel Corporation, are positively enormous. The Democratic and Republican figures come from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation. But numerous think tanks and government organizations have examined the data and come to similar conclusions: First, that letting the Bush tax cuts on the top two brackets of “small-business” income would impact a tiny percentage of those businesses; and second, that many of the “small businesses” that would be impacted are actually giant companies — which explains why such a tiny fraction of them can account for half of small business income.”

The whole Romney strategy was based around voters trusting what he is saying. The problem for Mitt Romney is that a majority voters think he is lying. Romney is having a major problem in this debate. He keeps listing unpopular positions. It was shocking to hear Romney say that he would eliminate the subsidy to PBS. Romney told America that he has his own deficit cutting plan, but he won’t tell America what it is. Romney floated the bogus notion that a tax hike will **** jobs. Romney admitted that his plan is a pie in the sky idea that he is going to magically put people back to work in better paying jobs, and that will raise revenue for the government.

Obama turned the tables on Romney and switched the topic to corporate taxes and cutting the subsidies for Big Oil. Obama follows up by hammering Romney on Medicaid. Romney lied about where the oil subsidies go. $2.8 billion of the subsidies go the five biggest oil companies.

Later in the debate Romney repeated the BIG Obamacare lies that the federal government is going to take over healthcare, and that there is a board that is going to tell people what kind of treatments they can have. The Republican nightmares about Romney talking about Obamacare came true as Obama used Romneycare against him, and debunked Romney’s lies on Obamacare. Obama absolutely hammered Romney for not telling the American people the details of replacing Obamacare.

The president barreled through Romney on not giving specifics on anything. Obama called out Romney for having secret plans, and asked is Romney not telling the American people his details because his plans are too good? Romney tried to put on the Ronald Reagan suit, and claimed that he can’t give details because details won’t get things done. Romney proved Obama right by not listing any specifics, but by going into his one could do…schtick.

Romney needed a knockout here, but he didn’t say anything that would change anybody’s mind about him. Obama did show some rust in the first half of the debate, but really turned it on in the second half. Romney made many unforced errors like saying he would get rid of the subsidy for PBS. Romney also failed to deliver any specifics, and he couldn’t seem to decide whether he was a fact checker or an ****** dog. Voters trust Obama more than Romney. Mitt Romney tried to put a dent in that tonight, but when a candidate who voters think is dishonest gets caught telling lies to the American people, it is a problem.

Romney’s whole strategy was put on display when he used his closing statement to lie, lie, and lie some more about President Obama. The factcheckers are going to have a ball checking Romney over the next day. Republicans are going to say that Romney won. Democrats are going to say that Obama won. Romney needed a clear consensus victory. It didn’t happen here.

As predicted, the mainstream media pundits are giving the debate to Romney. (These are the same people who thought McCain and Palin performed really well in their debates in 2008.)

Romney may have given his best performance tonight, but his best was not enough to beat Barack Obama. Romney is hoping that the American people are dumb enough to forget what he said yesterday and be fooled by his lies.

As Ed Schultz loses his mind on MSNBC and claims that Obama didn’t try to “win” the debate, the reality is that Romney gave the Obama people a treasure trove of lies to ****** the Republican nominee with from now until the next debate. For Barack Obama this debate wasn’t about getting into some sort of ugly street fight. Voters like Obama exactly because he doesn’t do that. For Obama this debate was about who do you trust more?

Mitt Romney stood up and lied to the American people repeatedly. Obama is the trusted candidate with the vision. Romney is the challenger who had to be in chase mode because he is losing.

This debate wasn’t a game changer for Romney, despite what Republicans may think. His biggest problem is he is still Mitt Romney. While the media may give it to Romney, voters are still likely to stick with Obama.
 
"I like Coal"

"I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS."

These two statements are pretty good to hang Romney with. I'm reading that Twitter is going crazy over the Big Bird thing.

No matter, like Dennis Leary said "you'll find out when you grow up that Big Bird isn't funny....funny.....funny...... HA HA HA HA HA"


DIE, YOU YELLOW FREAK, DIE!!!! :tongue:
 
When even Obama acolyte Chris Matthews is pulling his hair out over Obama's performance, it's not hard to understand that Romney won. Won might not be the right word though..annihilated might be better.
 

Supafly

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I planned on watching the debate, sadly the live transmission was at 2:45 in the morning. So I had to rely on several web media.

Looks like Obama was bad prepared and did not call out Romney on his lies. Not that Obama was the president he promised he'd be.
 
I planned on watching the debate, sadly the live transmission was at 2:45 in the morning. So I had to rely on several web media.

Looks like Obama was bad prepared and did not call out Romney on his lies. Not that Obama was the president he promised he'd be.

Frankly Obama has never been great in debates. Hillary was seen as winning the debates with him. And often you get these debates which are so cordial by sitting Presidents not wanting to look Petty or mean. WE heard nothing about the 47% comment by Romney. Nothing about whether he thinks paying such a low % tax rate with his wealth is fair etc. It will be different next debate I hope when the public is involved.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Romney reeked of desperation and continually talked over both Obama and Lehrer. Obama kept hitting Romney on his lack of policy details. Romney flip-flopped on issues he's campaigned on for the last two years. Obama should have contained his lack of patience with Romney, but Romney should have conducted himself like an adult, instead of as a contemptuous *****. Romney's only choice for the next debate is to ratchet up the wild swinging and pray he lands some punches, he failed to land any last night, and gave Obama more than enough fuel to make the next debate a whole lot more uncomfortable than the first. Fact checkers have eaten Romney alive on his lie-a-minute tactics. Republicans have absolutely nothing to be happy about.
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
The problem is that the "winning/losing" was based, not on substance, but on style. Let's face it, Romney has still not put any substance into his campaign - all rhetoric but no detail of how he expects to actually achieve what he promises to.

He promises to drop taxes by 20% for all earners, but magically, this will not affect the revenue brought in by taxes. Looks like his maths is about as good as those of British MPs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19801666

Over the next few days, the debate will be analysed, and the truth of what was said by both sides will come out.
From what I have read, this means that Romney, although a winner on the night, will be a loser overall.
 
Romney reeked of desperation and continually talked over both Obama and Lehrer. Obama kept hitting Romney on his lack of policy details. Romney flip-flopped on issues he's campaigned on for the last two years. Obama should have contained his lack of patience with Romney, but Romney should have conducted himself like an adult, instead of as a contemptuous *****. Romney's only choice for the next debate is to ratchet up the wild swinging and pray he lands some punches, he failed to land any last night, and gave Obama more than enough fuel to make the next debate a whole lot more uncomfortable than the first. Fact checkers have eaten Romney alive on his lie-a-minute tactics. Republicans have absolutely nothing to be happy about.

What debate did you watch last night? Your posts are way off in accordance with the rest of the board. Your candidate did poorly and you are upset about it. Romney came out swinging and kicked ass! Obama looked pretty lost without his teleprompter. Can't wait for next weeks debate to see how Obama defends his ****-ass-poor foreign policies.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Desperation from the right-wingers. Wish hard enough and maybe Romney will turn into a real boy!

What debate did you watch last night? Your posts are way off in accordance with the rest of the board. Your candidate did poorly and you are upset about it. Romney came out swinging and kicked ass! Obama looked pretty lost without his teleprompter. Can't wait for next weeks debate to see how Obama defends his ****-ass-poor foreign policies.

Republicans are gushing all over themselves because Romney....looked strong? No, not really. Because he really nailed Obama on key issues? No, didn't do that either. Because he laid out a clear vision for our country under his leadership? No, he didn't.

You know why they're gushing? Because he managed to go 90 minutes on live television without looking like a complete moron. Nothing he did was special. The only thing he did was not look like a bumbling idiot for the first time in weeks.

But let's prove this. Right-wingers if he did such a great job can you tell us:

What tax deductions he plans to close?

What he plans to replace the Affordable Care Act with?

How he can maintain tax revenue through closing deductions...when even if you closed every deduction we have for the wealthy it wouldn't equal the amount of revenue we'd lose by his continuation of Trickle Down Economics with more tax cuts for the wealthy.

What government subsides, besides that deficit killer PBS subsidy, will he get rid of?

How does he plan to make America more energy independent when simply drilling more won't do anything to lower the price of oil because the companies drilling would simply sell it on the global market at the highest bidder...just as they do now.

He says he likes regulation (except all he's talked about is how regulation ***** job growth) and would repeal Dodd-Frank...so can you tell us which regulations he likes and would keep?

Can you, the G-O-P voters, answer any of these? No? Oh that's right...

Because he's yet to answer a single one of them during his campaign and he sure as hell didn't answer these questions last night.

-facebook/RightOffACliff
 

bobjustbob

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1 down and 2 1/2 to go. Let the fact checkers do what they do but the first round has to go to Romney. He had took control of the debate over Leher and Obama. Got more time in. The camera was favorable to him. He looked Obama in the eye when making points against his policies. Poll numbers will shift till the next debate. The election is not today so lets sit back and enjoy the fun. If you are eligible to vote in this country then do it. It ain't just about the presidency. There are other more local things that impact you more on the ballot.
 
vodkazvictim said:
Question: Why can't america get a serious 3rd party to make the main two pull their thumbs out?
The system is rigged by the 2 parties and the medias.
Both parties are too affraid that the rise of a 3rd party could be lethal for them, they will never let that happen.
Also, the medias are very confortable with 2 parties and the rising of a 3rd one would not pleaser them : When there's only two parties, things are easy, one is red, one is blue. But there's 3, it ca't be green, it has to be purple, then things become twisty 'cause you gotta find if it's purple blue or purple red.

When there's two, there's black and white. Not black with some white, not white with some black, plan black and plain white.
When there's 3, there's black, white and grey but you gotta know (and explain) which shade of grey it is.
 
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