Flashback: Reagan on Unions...

[Trident1]

What is the purpose of the above statement but for more double-speak mumbo jumbo? LM is a company which sells products to among other customers, the g'ment. Who cares when they started the process to research and develop another product they could market?? What matters in terms of g'ment policy is when a president decides to put them under contract to produce the product for the g'ment. That happened in '78.

'Hopeless Diamond' had nothing to do with the destiny of the project pre-Reagan as you seem to be implying. It had to do with a play on the Hope Diamond because of the aircraft's color, the shape of the design and it's then uniqueness.


I'm sure Carter told you that's what his thinking was. Whatever or whenever he said what he said in respect to the operation in Iran is how you're characterizing it. Point of fact, he stated a truth of the projects which up til then was considered closely guarded information.

You're engaging in double-speak using conveniently parsed words and characterizations of facts to lead people who don't know any better to believe myths.

All you're doing is trying to play 3 card monty with the facts in hopes some will gloss over reading what you're actually saying.

History shows Carter cancelled the B-1 stealth bomber because as I stated before, Carter 1.) Green lit FSD of ALCMs which could be delivered by B-52s. 2.) He was moving forward with the F-117 and the B-2 stealth bombers. 3.) Circumstances 1 and 2 made meant the additional and excessive cost of the B-1 far outweighed the benefit.


You don't need to know and it's irrelevant to the point. You were probably of the assumption I wasn't of age..when in fact I was actually in the military during Reagan's presidency. End of story. What difference to you or the point would the facts of my service demonstrate even if I were inclined to prove it?? You don't believe me? So.:dunno:

Well according to you the "stealth" program began with Carter when research into the stealth aircraft goes back to 1975 (Pre-Carter) which studied "facets" in aircraft design something which Lockheed took to another step in '77 early in Carter's term.
Carter has nothing to do with the B-2 project but he did with the ATB in 1979. Reagan......not Carter awarded the bomber project in 1981 to Northrop.
Carter's administration admitted to some sort of "stealth" program in order to look strong in the public's eye leading up to the election in October '80. The Desert One disaster was fresh in everyone's minds as was Carter's dumb decision to cancel the "stealthy" B-1 bomber.
The F-117 and B-2 received their designations under the Reagan admin not Carter's btw.


Are you sure you served in the military Mega?

 

[emceeemcee]

H-Mega- would rep if I could. Clearly it takes patience to withstand your average Reagan booster's 'logic'.

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

I love how these Unionistas think they can have a freakin balanced state budget with their idiocy.
Shrink state government, dump the unions, lower taxes, increase incentives for businesses to stay.

duh! the recession has a ton to do with it. States were in not such of a deficit a few years ago and in the 90's we had very little of this talk. I am not disputing pay cuts and reduced pension benefits for government workers at this time and the private sector has done a ton of it.

You can dispute the 90's and even 2005-07 to some degree being prospers for all, although it was gold time for the wealthy. Union membership has dropped every year since the 60's. Breaking unions is a political gain for Republicans pure and simple.

If you are happy with the middle class having a declining wage, go for it, i don't see a up side with the current political movement.

 

[Hot Mega]

Well according to you the "stealth" program began with Carter when research into the stealth aircraft goes back to 1975 (Pre-Carter) which studied "facets" in aircraft design something which Lockheed took to another step in '77 early in Carter's term.
Carter has nothing to do with the B-2 project but he did with the ATB in 1979. Reagan......not Carter awarded the bomber project in 1981 to Northrop.
Carter's administration admitted to some sort of "stealth" program in order to look strong in the public's eye leading up to the election in October '80. The Desert One disaster was fresh in everyone's minds as was Carter's dumb decision to cancel the "stealthy" B-1 bomber.
The F-117 and B-2 received their designations under the Reagan admin not Carter's btw.

More double speak and horseshit nonsense...conflating and correlating different circumstances to conveniently try desperately and woefully unsuccessfully to suit your deluded worship of Reagan.

You're the one who seems to have a problem with what 'researched', 'procurement', 'started', etc., etc., etc., etc.,........mean when it comes to
consistently following your floating positions.

Are you sure you served in the military Mega?

Yeah, I'll post a copy of my DD-214 just for you.

 

[Trident1]

Yeah, I'll post a copy of my DD-214 just for you.

I've never met anyone who's afraid to back up their claim that they served in the military. Mega you claim you served in the 1980s. I'm curious what branch, where, what was your rank, etc.
Only a poser would balk at a simple question.

 

[Hot Mega]

I've never met anyone who's afraid to back up their claim that they served in the military. Mega you claim you served in the 1980s. I'm curious what branch, where, what was your rank, etc.
Only a poser would balk at a simple question.

It's not a claim it's a fact. And I'm not talking about merely a month, 6 months or a year either.

What is there to pose about?? I didn't mention it to impress you anyone else reading it. And the only thing someone like me cares about proving anything to is those I served along side of.

You seem hung up on who was actually around during the era of Reagan as you spouted off about it more than once. To which, my response was I wasn't just 'around' I was actually in the military he commanded (or presided) over.

I know it's unfathomable someone could actually say something against your 'idle' Reagan....much less fathomable someone who was in the military...much less someone who was in the military when he was president..but reality check time.. everyone doesn't worship the guy like you.

I don't pass around personal details of my background on the internet...If you don't understand that or why someone wouldn't....too bad.

Did you serve??

It's not about balking if you knew anything. Equally it's not about bragging either....if you've ever done anything worth talking about in the military...you should be keeping your trap shut..period..the end.

 

[qiinson]

^ It pains me to find I agree with the centrist who loves Reagan but it would be insightful to know the answers to the above questions. I'm finding it hard enough to imagine you taking orders. Come one, Mega.

 

[Hot Mega]

^ It pains me to find I agree with the centrist who loves Reagan but it would be insightful to know the answers to the above questions. I'm finding it hard enough to imagine you taking orders. Come one, Mega.

How insightful would it be to you actually? There are plenty of people who don't run around spilling details of their military background to strangers. If it's not something you can relate to....just say that. But it has nothing to do with your personal insight.

BTW, if you understand why you're in the military (or why you're doing anything in life for that matter)...taking orders is the easy part.

If you've been involved in athletics and team sports all your life like I was, what would be hard to digest from there about taking orders??

 

[Trident1]

It's not a claim it's a fact. And I'm not talking about merely a month, 6 months or a year either.

What is there to pose about?? I didn't mention it to impress you anyone else reading it. And the only thing someone like me cares about proving anything to is those I served along side of.

You seem hung up on who was actually around during the era of Reagan as you spouted off about it more than once. To which, my response was I wasn't just 'around' I was actually in the military he commanded (or presided) over.

I know it's unfathomable someone could actually say something against your 'idle' Reagan....much less fathomable someone who was in the military...much less someone who was in the military when he was president..but reality check time.. everyone doesn't worship the guy like you.

I don't pass around personal details of my background on the internet...If you don't understand that or why someone wouldn't....too bad.

Did you serve??

It's not about balking if you knew anything. Equally it's not about bragging either....if you've ever done anything worth talking about in the military...you should be keeping your trap shut..period..the end.

No Mega I never served. I admit that. I was in highschool until '86 and college after that. I would never say that I served in the military unless it was true.

Posers are the worst. I believe you may be a poser. I asked very simple questions that any former member of the military would be able to answer in a second.
For some odd reason you can't answer any of them.
Hmmmmmm.

 

[Hot Mega]

No Mega I never served. I admit that. I was in highschool until '86 and college after that. I would never say that I served in the military unless it was true.

Posers are the worst. I believe you may be a poser. I asked very simple questions that any former member of the military would be able to answer in a second.
For some odd reason you can't answer any of them.
Hmmmmmm.

:dunno:Again, believe what you need in order to settle your stomach. I will agree with you on this though, posers are worse and scum.

'Posers' aren't usually people who claim to have served but didn't. 'Posers' are commonly referred to as those who served but claimed to have seen specific duty or action they didn't or were in parts of the military they weren't.:2 cents: What average guy would be claiming to have served in the military for the purposes of some internet porn board but didn't??

And if you think everyone with a military background would be flap trapping specifics like where they were stationed, when they were there, what 'unit', rank, etc., etc., etc., to strangers on the internet then you're even more naive than I thought and not nearly as enlightened as you consider yourself.

There is plenty of good reason not to..if you don't get it...too bad.

 

[qiinson]

How insightful would it be to you actually? There are plenty of people who don't run around spilling details of their military background to strangers. If it's not something you can relate to....just say that. But it has nothing to do with your personal insight.

BTW, if you understand why you're in the military (or why you're doing anything in life for that matter)...taking orders is the easy part.

If you've been involved in athletics and team sports all your life like I was, what would be hard to digest from there about taking orders??

I was joking about the orders bit, Sgt Mega. :1orglaugh

 

[ragincaucasian]

the military service is completely irrelevant.....
but it is a great red herring for Interwebz logic


If you can discredit Hot Mega's service, then "voila!" you've 'WON'! and can claim victory on a completely unrelated argument even though the actual discussion is about the legacy of a politician.

Lots of false assumptions here. No one using critical thinking to examine the effects of policy has asserted that Reagan is the devil and the worst president ever (though that is the non sequitur being used by Trident and whoever). No one is claiming that, so to try to "prove" that he isn't doesn't accomplish anything. The foundation of the discussion is what Reagan is celebrated for (with little to substantiate those platitudes) with the bulk of the topic here being centered on the dismantling of the Soviet Union. If you live life in a vacuum, like a 30 minute sitcom, where you can only remember or maintain perspective for 2 years at a time....it would look like Reagan had done something significant to that regard.....however, that ignores history and the rest of the world..... and FOR WHAT? Just to advance some bullshit?

replace 'bible versus' with empty neocon rhetoric that has yet to be substantiated


Its like listening to fan bois arguing that Tom Brady is tha best quarterback EVAH!!!
And when presenting stats, or team/historical NFL context that may not be conducive to that line of thought ....the counter-argument is "What? you **** Tom Brady? Joe Montana is a ******!!" (even if you aren't contending that Joe Montana is better than Tom Brady, or even that Tom Brady is not one of the best quarterbacks ever)

 

[Trident1]

the military service is completely irrelevant.....
but it is a great red herring for Interwebz logic


If you can discredit Hot Mega's service, then "voila!" you've 'WON'! and can claim victory on a completely unrelated argument even though the actual discussion is about the legacy of a politician.

Lots of false assumptions here. No one using critical thinking to examine the effects of policy has asserted that Reagan is the devil and the worst president ever (though that is the non sequitur being used by Trident and whoever). No one is claiming that, so to try to "prove" that he isn't doesn't accomplish anything. The foundation of the discussion is what Reagan is celebrated for (with little to substantiate those platitudes) with the bulk of the topic here being centered on the dismantling of the Soviet Union. If you live life in a vacuum, like a 30 minute sitcom, where you can only remember or maintain perspective for 2 years at a time....it would look like Reagan had done something significant to that regard.....however, that ignores history and the rest of the world..... and FOR WHAT? Just to advance some bullshit?

replace 'bible versus' with empty neocon rhetoric that has yet to be substantiated


Its like listening to fan bois arguing that Tom Brady is tha best quarterback EVAH!!!
And when presenting stats, or team/historical NFL context that may not be conducive to that line of thought ....the counter-argument is "What? you **** Tom Brady? Joe Montana is a ******!!" (even if you aren't contending that Joe Montana is better than Tom Brady, or even that Tom Brady is not one of the best quarterbacks ever)

Oh bull Ragin'. Btw, I believe in Evolution/Adaptation.


Mega you apparently have never visited Militaryphotos.net Vets there tell everyone where they've served, what their rank was, and with whom did they serve. So the excuse about security is bogus.
A poser is someone who claims to have served but never did.

You are a poser until you can back up your claim that you served in the US military in the '80s.

You can't even answer the most basic questions. Any vet can give a list of their service within a minute.

 

[CunningStunts]

Question for the Union fanboys: How do public Unions help non-union workers/taxpayers who pay their salaries and benefits?

 

[Hot Mega]

And if you think everyone with a military background would be flap trapping specifics like where they were stationed, when they were there, what 'unit', rank, etc., etc., etc., to strangers on the internet then you're even more naive than I thought and not nearly as enlightened as you consider yourself.

There is plenty of good reason not to..if you don't get it...too bad.

Mega you apparently have never visited Militaryphotos.net Vets there tell everyone where they've served, what their rank was, and with whom did they serve. So the excuse about security is bogus.
A poser is someone who claims to have served but never did.

You are a poser until you can back up your claim that you served in the US military in the '80s.

You can't even answer the most basic questions. Any vet can give a list of their service within a minute.

You don't know what a poser is. Like you said, you were never in the military.

Any 'vet'??? ANYBODY with half a brain can type in a rate/rank, branch of service and a base, camp, fort or station on some message board claiming to have served.

What would that prove? Zip. So stating it would be as pointless as you asking. As I would be inclined to do what it takes to prove to you the facts as I would be inclined to prove to you what I had for breakfast and both would be as irrelevant.

But since you're so naive or trying to play like it ...how these things go is some puffer gets challenged by someone like you and before you know it they're babbling all kinds of **** they got no business babbling trying to meet your standard of proving themselves...(to someone like you no less).

So give it a rest. No one's going for the diversion..it ain't working....

There are plenty of vets who have no qualms with proudly stating the details of their service as in some cases is their right. But your confusing whether some do with the notion that all do or should.

 

[Trident1]

You don't know what a poser is. Like you said, you were never in the military.

Any 'vet'??? ANYBODY with half a brain can type in a rate/rank, branch of service and a base, camp, fort or station on some message board claiming to have served.

What would that prove? Zip. So stating it would be as pointless as you asking. As I would be inclined to do what it takes to prove to you the facts as I would be inclined to prove to you what I had for breakfast and both would be as irrelevant.

But since you're so naive or trying to play like it ...how these things go is some puffer gets challenged by someone like you and before you know it they're babbling all kinds of **** they got no business babbling trying to meet your standard of proving themselves...(to someone like you no less).

So give it a rest. No one's going for the diversion..it ain't working....

There are plenty of vets who have no qualms with proudly stating the details of their service as in some cases is their right. But your confusing whether some do with the notion that all do or should.

This isn't a diversion Mr. Poser. You claimed to have served in our military. Back up your claims by answering simple questions such as:

Rank
Where were you stationed
What years were you stationed
Where did you go to basic and specialist training

If you are genuine you can answer these in a second.

 

[Hot Mega]

This isn't a diversion Mr. Poser. You claimed to have served in our military. Back up your claims by answering simple questions such as:

Rank
Where were you stationed
What years were you stationed
Where did you go to basic and specialist training

If you are genuine you can answer these in a second.

Anyone on the internet can fill in answers to those questions in less than a second and may have never served an hour in the Cub Scouts let alone the US military.

Like I said;

1.) Beyond me telling you I was in the military you don't need to know anything else.

2.) I don't care what you believe.

3.) It's irrelevant to the discussion.

& 4.) I don't care what you believe.

 

[Trident1]

Anyone on the internet can fill in answers to those questions in less than a second and may have never served an hour in the Cub Scouts let alone the US military.

Like I said;

1.) Beyond me telling you I was in the military you don't need to know anything else.

2.) I don't care what you believe.

3.) It's irrelevant to the discussion.

& 4.) I don't care what you believe.

Thought so.:1orglaugh

Poser. Don't make a claim like that unless it's true. You stepped into a deep hole and found you couldn't dig yourself out.
Poser and a faker.

 

[Hot Mega]

Thought so.:1orglaugh

Poser. Don't make a claim like that unless it's true. You stepped into a deep hole and found you couldn't dig yourself out.
Poser and a faker.

Seriously?

Point is of fact, between the two of us one served in the military and one didn't. You didn't...get over it.

But honestly, is your obsession with Reagan so hysterical that you're actually going to try this goofy angle. Since you got your ass plastered on the facts that you want to make them up about me? Doesn't work...I'm not a ***.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

 

[Trident1]

Seriously?

Point is of fact, between the two of us one served in the military and one didn't. You didn't...get over it.

But honestly, is your obsession with Reagan so hysterical that you're actually going to try this goofy angle. Since you got your ass plastered on the facts that you want to make them up about me? Doesn't work...I'm not a ***.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

How about this Mega? Between the two of us neither served because you never did. Now are you going to take the way out that I have just given you or dig yourself ever deeper into the hole.