**** CRIMES: Stop teaching ****, homophobia *****....

[TrueTranssexual]

19 YEAR OLD, ******, ********* AND *********** BY HOMOPHOBE, Not in the Middle East, but in "gay friendly" Puerto Rico...
Religious leaders, #1 promoters of homophobic sentiments, very silent about this outrageous crime.
Homophobe plans to use the "gay panic" defense.
Police agent suggest he was to blame for his death for his lifestyle. What a shame!! Homophobia is a cancer in our society.


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[PlasmaTwa2]

Police agent suggest he was to blame for his death for his lifestyle. What a shame!! Homophobia is a cancer in our society.

What extent do they mean that, I wonder. If by lifestyle, they mean that the *** was being unnecessarily flamboyant and flirtacious towards his killer, then yeah, that does explain it a bit.

Of course, if they don't mean it like that, then they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[TrueTranssexual]

What extent do they mean that, I wonder. If by lifestyle, they mean that the *** was being unnecessarily flamboyant and flirtacious towards his killer, then yeah, that does explain it a bit.

Of course, if they don't mean it like that, then they have no idea what they are talking about.

And that justifies being ***********, *********??????????????????????

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

And that justifies being ***********, *********??????????????????????

I didn't say that. I can't say that he had it coming if he was acting in a way that the other guy clearly did not like, cause that is not an excuse to ****** someone, but the guy should have stopped when he realised that it bugged the guy (Assuming thats how it went).

 

[Hot Mega]

Homophobia is a cancer in our society.

:nono: Bigoted inspired **** of any stripe under any excuse or disguise is.:2 cents:

 

[TrueTranssexual]

I didn't say that. I can't say that he had it coming if he was acting in a way that the other guy clearly did not like, cause that is not an excuse to ****** someone, but the guy should have stopped when he realised that it bugged the guy (Assuming thats how it went).

I think the problem here is how understanding we are that somehow it is supposed to be "normal" for a guy to be enraged by advances from another man. I get harassed by men I'm not into all the time, as most women do, yet you don't hear about women decapitating and ********** this men. And if it were to happen, you certainly wouldn't hear comments like this. The real motive behind this is homophobia, and its a shame how accepting we as a society are of it.

 

[L3ggy]

I believe Third World said it best: "Let ****, Let **** Be Your Enemy"

 

[ChefChiTown]

19 YEAR OLD, ******, ********* AND *********** BY HOMOPHOBE, Not in the Middle East, but in "gay friendly" Puerto Rico...
Religious leaders, #1 promoters of homophobic sentiments, very silent about this outrageous crime.
Homophobe plans to use the "gay panic" defense.
Police agent suggest he was to blame for his death for his lifestyle. What a shame!! Homophobia is a cancer in our society.


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First of all...

More people die at the hands of tolerant people than they do at the hands of homophobes.

I grew up in the city that has the second highest number of gay people per capita in the United States (second to San Francisco) and I have honestly never seen much **** crime take place due to homophobia. Sure, gay people get beat up, but not because they're gay. It's just an unfortunate circumstance, which leads me to my...

Second of all...

Why is it that when a victim is gay, black, foreign or practices a "different" religion (etc), than it's automatically labeled as a "**** crime"...??? Gay people get beat up and ******** all the time, but it's not because they're gay. Sure, it happens, and it's ignorant to claim that **** crimes don't take place, but it's ridiculous that as soon as a gay *** gets ********, it's immediately labeled as a **** crime. Why? Because he's gay? So what? Maybe his sexuality has nothing to do with the ******. In fact, it's not even clear as to why the ****** took place to begin with.

Authorities are looking into whether Jorge Steven Lopez Mercado, 19, was targeted because he was gay, and the case has sent shockwaves across Puerto Rico’s LGBT community.

They're looking into it, because they don't know yet. But, even though the motive hasn't been discovered, almost every single person in the world has already made up their mind - he got ******** because he was gay and the suspect is a homophobe. Even though (at this point) there is no proof to that allegation, everybody has already made up their mind. But, why is this automatically a **** crime, just because the victim was gay? It's completely unfair to assume that his sexuality and the intolerance of somebody else was THE reason that he was ********. The term "**** crime" is used sooooo loosely now-a-days and it's getting completely out of hand.

When I was in high school, one of my friends got into a fight with a gay ***. The gay ***, who just so happened to be black (I say that for a reason), was the one who started the fight and he was even the one who ended it (he beat up my friend). The gay black *** beat up my friend for reasons that had nothing to do with the color of his skin or his sexuality. My friend, who was attacked, defended himself and fought back for reasons that had nothing to do with the color of his skin or his sexuality. Now, ask me what the point of view was about this fight...

1) My friend fought a gay ***, so he's a homophobe
2) My friend fought a black ***, so he's racist

My friend was investigated for committing a **** CRIME, even though he was defending himself. Even though the gay black *** started it all, my friend was labeled as committing a **** crime, for no other reason than that the *** he fought was black and gay. The gay black ***, who started AND won the fight, was viewed as being a VICTIM. Do you see how fucked up that is? This is exactly what happens when people act like big pussy crybabies and start bringing sexuality, race, religion (etc) into the mix, even when they probably don't have aaaaanything to do with what happens.

I **** to say this phrase, because it sounds terrible, but maybe this *** brought this upon himself. At this point, nobody really knows what happened. All we know is that a gay *** is dead, so everybody just automatically assumes that his sexuality was why he was ********. Even though there are a million other reasons as to why he could've been ********, everybody has already made up their mind and labeled this as a **** crime. Could it be a **** crime? Absolutely. But, nobody knows anything yet, so we should stop assuming that we know what happened.

FYI - If the situation was reversed and a gay *** ******** a straight ***, would you still be so pissed off? Would you still be all vocal about how we all need to be tolerant of one another? Would you even care? Would you still consider it a **** crime? Or, would it be "just another ******", because the victim didn't fit some sort of minority category?

Food for thought.

 

[TrueTranssexual]

:nono: Bigoted inspired **** of any stripe under any excuse or disguise is.:2 cents:

Hatred is fueled by the prejudicies we internalize and inculcate in others. It takes a very meticulous and insightful person to deconstruct it. The major problem is that many people are in denial that they themselves are prejudiced, even when they seem to be against it, like in your comment.:2 cents:

 

[~~whimsy~~]

How come if an old person is beaten, assaulted, ********, or robbed the term Ageism is not tossed around? Same with a woman getting same done to her by a man, or vice versa, it is not considered a Sexist crime.

Yet, a gay person gets anything done to them, it is immediately homophobic and labeled **** crime.

Crime is crime. Nothing more. I **** that term **** crime as much as I do neocon and Speidi! And countless other dumbass terms the public use because it is catchy and puts a group of people in one group and then adored by some and hated by others.

We are all people. That is that...

 

[HELLRAISER]

homophobia is stupid

 

[TrueTranssexual]

I **** to say this phrase, because it sounds terrible, but maybe this *** brought this upon himself. At this point, nobody really knows what happened. All we know is that a gay *** is dead, so everybody just automatically assumes that his sexuality was why he was ********. Even though there are a million other reasons as to why he could've been ********, everybody has already made up their mind and labeled this as a **** crime. Could it be a **** crime? Absolutely. But, nobody knows anything yet, so we should stop assuming that we know what happened.

FYI - If the situation was reversed and a gay *** ******** a straight ***, would you still be so pissed off? Would you still be all vocal about how we all need to be tolerant of one another? Would you even care? Would you still consider it a **** crime? Or, would it be "just another ******", because the victim didn't fit some sort of minority category?

Food for thought.

I dismissed your statements about **** crimes, because his ******** admitted he hated homosexuals because he got ***** in prison.


The sentence in bold does is infact sounds terrible, because it is!!!!!!!
I find it utterly disgusting that someone can insinuate this. It's not different than those who are too understanding of a **** happening, because of the way the women was dressed. Simple fact is, that no one deserves to die like this, no matter how naive or stupid they are. OK!

If a gay *** ******** a straight person because he hated the fact that he was straight, that would also be a **** crime and can be prosecuted as well.
The reason for **** crimes laws is because **** crimes terrorize the community as a whole, not just a single person. It sends a message that this is what you will get for being who you are.

 

[Hot Mega]

Hatred is fueled by the prejudicies we internalize and inculcate in others. It takes a very meticulous and insightful person to deconstruct it. The major problem is that many people are in denial that they themselves are prejudiced, even when they seem to be against it, like in your comment.:2 cents:

Prejudice isn't the problem. We all have varying degrees of benign (in some cases necessary) prejudices.

The hatred that bigotry inspires is the cancer you speak of irrespective of which direction it's aimed. You seem to want to marginalize or specialize it specifically to "homophobia".

But I'll stand by what I said before, bigoted inspired **** of any stripe under any excuse or disguise is (the cancer).

I don't believe people of any circumstance who are merely trying to live out their lives as best they can ought to be singled out and targeted for any unfair ******.

 

[TrueTranssexual]

How come if an old person is beaten, assaulted, ********, or robbed the term Ageism is not tossed around? Same with a woman getting same done to her by a man, or vice versa, it is not considered a Sexist crime.

Yet, a gay person gets anything done to them, it is immediately homophobic and labeled **** crime.

Crime is crime. Nothing more. I **** that term **** crime as much as I do neocon and Speidi! And countless other dumbass terms the public use because it is catchy and puts a group of people in one group and then adored by some and hated by others.

We are all people. That is that...

What you apparently don't understand is that and old person doesn't get assaulted simply for being old, or a woman for simply being a woman. It can happen, but extremely rarely. While people get attacked all the time just because of their sexual orientation, race, etc., nothing more.

 

[TrueTranssexual]

Prejudice isn't the problem. We all have varying degrees of benign (in some cases necessary) prejudices.

The hatred that bigotry inspires is the cancer you speak of irrespective of which direction it's aimed. You seem to want to marginalize or specialize it specifically to "homophobia".

But I'll stand by what I said before, bigoted inspired **** of any stripe under any excuse or disguise is (the cancer).

I don't believe people of any circumstance who are merely trying to live out their lives as best they can ought to be singled out and targeted for any unfair ******.

Maybe you should re-read the definition of prejudice: "an adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts." It is never benign, it is stupid and not objective. Having a bias against something for a logical reason is not the same as prejudice.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

I think the problem here is how understanding we are that somehow it is supposed to be "normal" for a guy to be enraged by advances from another man.

What are you suggesting, that it should be normal for a man to be complimented by another man flirting with him. What probably happened here is the guy tried an advance, it wasn't accepted, and he kept on trying. It is a little hard for me to see things your way, given that you are a transsexual woman, but I come from what is probably the most accepting country in the world, and even here an unwanted attempt by a gay man will result in anger. An unwanted advance by anyone is going to make someone angry, but in an isolated incident like this, unfortuantely the guy took it a step farther.

I get harassed by men I'm not into all the time, as most women do, yet you don't hear about women decapitating and ********** this men. And if it were to happen, you certainly wouldn't hear comments like this. The real motive behind this is homophobia, and its a shame how accepting we as a society are of it.

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[ChefChiTown]

I dismissed your statements about **** crimes, because his ******** admitted he hated homosexuals because he got ***** in prison.

Then why are the police still investigating this, trying to find a motive? You dismissed my statements about **** crimes because you have to - you have nothing to rebut my comments with, so you're "ignoring" them.

The sentence in bold does is infact sounds terrible, because it is!!!!!!!
I find it utterly disgusting that someone can insinuate this.

Why? I can't insinuate that a gay *** could do something that warrants an ass kicking? I'm not saying that this *** deserved to be ***********, burned (etc), but why is it disgusting to insinuate that this *** miiiiight have done something to **** off the guy who ******** him? Just because he's gay doesn't mean that he's off limits from getting his ass kicked.

It's not different than those who are too understanding of a **** happening, because of the way the women was dressed.

You're comparing two totally different things here. Now, if you were to compare it to a woman being *****, after she had teased and toyed with a guy, leading him back to her bedroom, only to deny him at the last minute (which would **** just about anybody off), THEN you would have a similar comparison. Not that the woman would deserved to be ***** (not that this *** deserved to be ******** either), but sometimes people are responsible for the bad things that happen to them. Not that it makes ******, **** (etc) acceptable, but let's not act as if this *** is automatically freed from any and all responsibility for what happened to him just because he's gay.

If a gay *** ******** a straight person because he hated the fact that he was straight, that would also be a **** crime and can be prosecuted as well.
The reason for **** crimes laws is because **** crimes terrorize the community as a whole, not just a single person. It sends a message that this is what you will get for being who you are.

It sends a message to the community because people want it to. If I went outside and beat up a black *** for no other reason than that he is black, why should black people in the community think any less of themselves? They weren't involved. They weren't there. They had nothing to do with it. But, they CHOOSE to tie themselves into the situation by pointing out their so-called differences, AKA - their black skin. People look for things to get upset about and this is one of those things.

**** happens to everybody - white, black, man, woman, young, old, straight, gay, tall, short, rich, poor, etc, etc, etc. But, people only choose to get all riled up about something when they can bring themselves into the scenario by finding some insignificant and ultimately meaningless comparison between themselves and the victim.

A gay *** gets ******** - "Oh my God!!! I'M GAY TOO!!! That could've been me!!! That makes this AWFUL!!!"

A black *** gets ******** - "Oh my God!!! I'M BLACK TOO!!! That could've been me!!! That makes this AWFUL!!!"

A Jew gets ******** - "Oh my God!!! I'M JEWISH TOO!!! That could've been me!!! That makes this AWFUL!!!"

If you don't want people to judge you for your "differences", than stop looking at yourself as being different. We're all people and we all have terrible things happen to us. People need to stop pointing out their differences if they expect other people to see them as equals.

 

[TrueTranssexual]

What are you suggesting, that it should be normal for a man to be complimented by another man flirting with him. What probably happened here is the guy tried an advance, it wasn't accepted, and he kept on trying. It is a little hard for me to see things your way, given that you are a transsexual woman, but I come from what is probably the most accepting country in the world, and even here an unwanted attempt by a gay man will result in anger. An unwanted advance by anyone is going to make someone angry, but in an isolated incident like this, unfortuantely the guy took it a step farther.

I didn't say complimented...but to be enraged? What's the anger about if you are secure of what you are?
It's interesting that you assume this was the case, but even then you could call the police and have a restraining order. He certainly wouldn't have *********** and ********* a woman he was not interested in for her unwanted advances. He obviously had a hatred for homosexuals, and he admitted to it.

When you say you come from one of the "most accepting" country in the world, which one it is?

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It was not the girl who planned this, but her boyfriend. It's a little different IMO.

 

[Hot Mega]

Maybe you should re-read the definition of prejudice: "an adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts." It is never benign, it is stupid and not objective. Having a bias against something for a logical reason is not the same as prejudice.

I know the definition of the word...

You just need to broaden your horizons. I said prejudice isn't the problem as in many cases it may be benign and in other cases necessary.

You responded with a definition of "prejudice";
"..an adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts."

How come a person couldn't have a natural "adverse judgement or opinion beforehand" about snakes?

Or a prejudice against womanizers or sluts....Merely having the prejudice places you in opposition in these two cases against whole groups of people without possibly knowing any other them but just some circumstance about a category they may fall in. There are billions of examples I could cite but what's the cancer in the perspective I just outlined?