War, what is it good for?

[Harpsman]

Hamas's greed and hatred intentionally ******** and ********* defenseless ********, women and men.
Now Hamas are hiding like cowards using the hostages and innocent Gaza civilians as human shields.
***** for ***** has been the most basic human law for justice, probably for millions of years.
Many more lives will be lost before they even consider any type of peace negotiations.

But you see your ***** for ***** reasoning is what opposing sides have used as justification of their deeds since the beginning of time.

And your finger pointing at Hamas is exactly the West's narrative in that Israel have done nothing wrong or bad. Never.

As the thread title asks, rhetorically in my opinion, war is good for nothing.

 

[tvstrip]

No it does not. The participants will make their decicions without taking into account the perspectives of some geezers on a porn forum.
But, as you ask about Dresden:

That had to happen in order for the WW2 to end. Nice try, though.

No one on this board has the power to end the massacre. That's not the point. We are here to express our opinions and viewpoints - that's literally the entire point of the forum. So by definition, if you are going to post in the forum, then your opinion matters. If you are a mod, you should understand that.

People much smarter than you or I have made the point that Dresden did not need to happen for WWII to end.
The fact that you are skirting issues detrimental to your narrative speaks volumes.

 

[Supafly]

Hey, Skooter,

feel free to voice your opinion within the realms of the rules.

I state my views. And I do, as I please. If you think I make no sense to you, that's fine.

 

[tvstrip]

I state my views.

We're asking for that, yet you continually skirt the issue:

It does not matter what I consider it to be.

No it does not.

 

[tvstrip]

I'll share another experience of my friend, as to why Israel turning off electricity and water to Gaza is inhumane and against human decency.

Gaza has 1 power plant, and it's usually the first target of IDF airstrikes. So they are reliant on electricity from outside.
You've seen the area - you can't grow crops or raise livestock. So imagine only surviving on canned food and bottled water. Supplies that can only come through aid via crossings which Israel controls. Which they have closed off.

Why can't they use fire to boil water or cook food?
Because smoke from a fire attracts airstrikes like flies on ****. Premium Link Upgrade ght as well be sending a signal flare painting you as a target.

You're starved, dehydrated, under constant bombardment, and no sign that things will change. That's the reality of the daily life of a Palestinian civilian.

 

[Luxman]

But you see your ***** for ***** reasoning is what opposing sides have used as justification of their deeds since the beginning of time.

And your finger pointing at Hamas is exactly the West's narrative in that Israel have done nothing wrong or bad. Never.

As the thread title asks, rhetorically in my opinion, war is good for nothing.

We're still primitive *******, it will be many generations of evolution before we can truly call ourselves civilized.

Hamas and most other Arabs **** Jews because of religion and they exist/live/occupy on land claimed by the Palestinians.

War is the only way we know of to resolve or get justice for extreme disputes.

 

[gmase]

I am on the side of no more ********. Punishing a whole civilian population would seem to be against international law (I'm no expert though). If Iran gets (more?) involved, this could escalate quickly.

Two thoughts:

• When planning the ******, how did Hamas think Israel would respond? They had to have known the reaction would be severe. It doesn't condone Israel's response, but someone had to say 'the response to this will be massive.' And someone else said 'that's fine.'
• A couple weeks back I was thinking about how the US expansion would have been covered by modern media. The Israel-Palestine conflict and issues are similar. One group is growing and displacing the other.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

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This is a complete load of ****. If this doesn't prove to the American supporters of Israel, that they are no better than the ******* that commit ******, nothing will. There is a funny little joke in the article, about how slow joe "warned" Israel about occupying Gaza.

 

[Luxman]

If you lived in Israel and your ******** were ******** by Hamas, you'd probably want Gaza leveled and turned to dust.
How should have Israel responded differently? What would a republican government do in this situation?
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Why did Hamas ****** Israel?

There are a few different possible explanations. One is that Hamas saw the current situation as a moment of opportunity. There's been a lot of tension and unrest in Jerusalem recently, with clashes at the Al-Aqsa Mosque and other religious sites, and so Hamas may have seen this as a moment when it could capitalize on that anger and frustration. Additionally, there's been a lot of international attention on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict recently, so Hamas may have seen this as a chance to draw more attention to its cause.

Hamas had reportedly been preparing for a significant military operation for over a year, and so it's possible that the ****** was not just a reaction to the current situation, but rather was part of a long-term plan. In that case, there may be a number of other factors at play, including the internal dynamics of Hamas, the organization's relationship with Iran, and more. But it's worth noting that any explanation of Hamas's motivations is necessarily speculative, and we may never know for sure what led to the decision to launch the ******.

Another argument is that the Abraham Accords represented a major shift in the regional dynamics of the Middle East. Before the Accords, the primary focus of many countries in the region was on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But with the Accords, there was a shift towards normalization of relations between Israel and its neighbors, and a focus on other issues like trade and security cooperation. This shift may have been seen by Hamas as a threat to its power and position in the region, and so it launched the ****** in an attempt to reassert itself.

~ AI

 

[tvstrip]

Last Week tonight giving a good example of acknowledging that the leadership on both sides is to blame, as well as Israeli's cutting Gaza's citizens from vital supplies is a war crime.

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“Whatever thoughts you have about the history of this region or the current state of affairs—and I’ve shared mine on this show in the past—it should be impossible to see grieving families and not be moved.”

Oliver then expressed his anger over how the conflict has been handled. “I don’t know where things stand in Gaza as you watch this right now,” he again noted. “But all signs seem to be pointing toward a humanitarian catastrophe. Israeli officials announced plans to cut off food, water, fuel, and power. Hospitals are running on generators. This has all the appearances of collective punishment, which is a war crime. And I think many Israelis and Palestinians are feeling justifiable anger right now, not just at Hamas, whose utterly heinous terrorist acts set this week’s events in motion, but also at the zealots and extremists across the board who consistently thwarted attempts at peace over the years. Israelis and Palestinians have been let down by their leadership time and time again. And I don’t have a great deal of faith in the leaders currently in charge to steer us toward peace.”

 

[Harpsman]

I saw a video today on x/twitter of Israelis urinating on the corpses of dead Palestinians and then ******* them physically. Disgusting.

What Hamas did to the Israelis was disgusting too. That's without doubt.

But the ambivalence to the actions of the Israeli military attacking those it ordered out of Northern Gaza, along a designated route, ******* 70 people is unbelievable.

When Putins ****** do this everyone was united in their condemnation and calling it for what it was.

The double standards........

 

[gmase]

If you lived in Israel and your ******** were ******** by Hamas, you'd probably want Gaza leveled and turned to dust.
How should have Israel responded differently? What would a republican government do in this situation?

We just need to look at what Bush actually did in 2001.

Or what the Republican candidates, including Trump, are saying about Mexico: using special ****** in Mexico, invading Mexico, using missiles to strike Mexico, et al. This would be like Iraq, but on our own border.

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[tvstrip]

I have to reiterate the importance to recognize that no side is totally "right" in the conflict, and that both Hamas and the IDF are fucking dipshits for their treatment of both Palestinian and Israeli civilians.

A good way to see the objectivity in any quote, whether it's media, a world leader or a rando on social media is whether they comment on casualties on BOTH sides. Specifically, look to whether they mention Palestinians, or just say "Gaza".

John Oliver's quote is a good example of how it should be done:

"But I will say, I’ve been struck by the many ordinary citizens, both Israeli and Palestinian, who’ve called for restraint this week, and not revenge.”

Other the other hand, Canada's PM displays the one-sided rhetoric showing a clear bias. Notice he makes no reference to "Palestinians" or the hardship imposed on them by Israel:
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"Israel has the right to defend itself in accordance with international law," Trudeau told a televised press conference in Yellowknife, in the Northwest Territories.
Trudeau did not respond directly when asked whether Israel's blockade conformed with international law.

 

[tvstrip]

If you lived in Israel and your ******** were ******** by Hamas, you'd probably want Gaza leveled and turned to dust.
How should have Israel responded differently? What would a republican government do in this situation?

If you lived in Gaza and your ******** were ******** by an Israeli airstrike, you'd probably want Israel leveled and turned to dust.
How should have Palestinians responded differently? What would a republican government do in this situation?

It helps to look at it wearing the other shoe.

 

[Luxman]

I meant what would a republican/GOP U.S. government do compared to what the current democrat U.S. government has done, in regards to the Hamas ******?

Hamas intentionally sought out and ******** defenseless men, women, and ********. How should have Israel responded differently?
If anyone ******** attacks you, the only response is to permanently destroy their ability to ****** you again.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

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This is why Israel gets away with whatever they want. Powerful, rich people in this country turn a blind eye to what they do, and make excuses for their actions, and if you even disagree, you, are an anti semite.

 

[Luxman]

What exactly did Israel do, that is similar or worse than what Hamas did?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

What exactly did Israel do, that is similar or worse than what Hamas did?

**** CIVILIANS. Is that enough of a reason? They roll into land they have no right to, like the ****'s did, and take it, as though they have that right. They refuse to a cease fire for humanitarian aid. So basically, if you want to give medical attention to the civilians we hurt, do it at your own risk. No they can't have food and water. Electricity to power the hospitals where civilians and ******** are on life support? NOPE, CAN'T HAVE THAT!

Hamas, are a bunch of fucking *******, and you expect them to act like *******, but you don't present yourself as a civilized country, a world power, or a democratic state, then act hypocritically, and do what you condemn the other side for doing, A dead baby, is a dead fucking baby, who ****** it isn't nearly as important as the fact it was ******!

 

[Luxman]

I'm not agreeing with what Israel did, but what other response could they have made against Hamas and Gaza?

Israel-Hamas conflict: Timeline and key developments - Oct 16, 2023
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[Mr. Daystar]

I'm not agreeing with what Israel did, but what other response could they have made against Hamas and Gaza?

I get what you're saying, I really do, but certain countries are held to higher standards. Should rise above, and conduct themselves in a certain way. The US, Canada, England, countries that are supposed to be civilized. They retaliated, and stabilized the situation to a point, and have some control. At that point, you don't continue to lay waste, you work diligently to fight by the rules, and take out those that deserve it, not anyone in your way. ******* Palestinian civilians, because they're muslim, or arab, is no different then the ****'s ******* people because they were Jews, or Gypsies. At a certain point you need to take stock of how you're doing things, and who's going to suffer the consequences.