A woman called 911 for help from the ER. She later died from lack of medical care in ER.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/
Woman Calls 911 From ER
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Ahhh, found it:
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By the way, my 2 cents:
ER is not an easy job to do. Hell, healthcare in general itself is hard - we're dealing with people... not figures or numbers. "Certainty" doesn't exist in this profession - and it's important to consider that because we deal with human lives in the balance and equation.
There is as much art as there is science in diagnosing and assessing people. From the time I spent in the ER and as I experience every week as a volunteer paramedic - you never know what kind of medical problem is walking around in some person. Extremely difficult to make judgment calls...
That said - that hospital has a long history of negligence (and is a case example of why just simply throwing buckets of money at something won't always solve a problem).
And as a professional - I do have some questions to ask the staff working that ER.
cheers,
PS: I grimace when I read this story - because 99% of the expected reaction will be knee jerk and comepletly useless. I'm just waiting for some paper-pushing suit to come up with yet another piece of paper for me to fill out [that's management's philosophy anyway - any problem can be solved by simply having more paperwork!] to CYA everyone when this happens again.
Oh and it WILL happen again - because the bottom line doesn't get addressed. Bottom line being - stop using the ER as "primary care center" for anything and everything under the sun. EMTALA was a law made in good principle but it's ***** is over burdening the system. We're facing a health care crisis and no one wants to address it [e.g.: People keep talking about "nursing shortage" when the truth really is that there is no "shortage" of nurses - just shortage of nurses who are willing to work their over burdened, under appreciated jobs for crappy pay]. We need more "urgent care" centers to take the stress away from the ER and leave them to do what they are supposed to do - EMERGENCY Care.
Read full article
By the way, my 2 cents:
ER is not an easy job to do. Hell, healthcare in general itself is hard - we're dealing with people... not figures or numbers. "Certainty" doesn't exist in this profession - and it's important to consider that because we deal with human lives in the balance and equation.
There is as much art as there is science in diagnosing and assessing people. From the time I spent in the ER and as I experience every week as a volunteer paramedic - you never know what kind of medical problem is walking around in some person. Extremely difficult to make judgment calls...
That said - that hospital has a long history of negligence (and is a case example of why just simply throwing buckets of money at something won't always solve a problem).
And as a professional - I do have some questions to ask the staff working that ER.
cheers,
PS: I grimace when I read this story - because 99% of the expected reaction will be knee jerk and comepletly useless. I'm just waiting for some paper-pushing suit to come up with yet another piece of paper for me to fill out [that's management's philosophy anyway - any problem can be solved by simply having more paperwork!] to CYA everyone when this happens again.
Oh and it WILL happen again - because the bottom line doesn't get addressed. Bottom line being - stop using the ER as "primary care center" for anything and everything under the sun. EMTALA was a law made in good principle but it's ***** is over burdening the system. We're facing a health care crisis and no one wants to address it [e.g.: People keep talking about "nursing shortage" when the truth really is that there is no "shortage" of nurses - just shortage of nurses who are willing to work their over burdened, under appreciated jobs for crappy pay]. We need more "urgent care" centers to take the stress away from the ER and leave them to do what they are supposed to do - EMERGENCY Care.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
Wow, that is incredible. If its true, what could cause the medical staff there to watch that happen?
I can think of only 3 things:
They were too busy with other patients with relatively equal priorities.
The hospital is grossly understaffed.
Or total deliberate indifference by the staff, possibly with malice.
I'd like to follow this story.
I can think of only 3 things:
They were too busy with other patients with relatively equal priorities.
The hospital is grossly understaffed.
Or total deliberate indifference by the staff, possibly with malice.
I'd like to follow this story.
Reminds me of a personal story:
Many, many, many years ago; when I was young (and stupid) enough to work in a Level I trauma center in New York, we had a case of a joker who came in with foot pain.
Understand that this was a L-I trauma center, on a Saturday night at 2 in the night/early morning. (Remember the Law of Twos - 2 O'clock, 2 beers, 2 dudes....) I mean were were swamped - gang war had broken out, we had a couple dozen bad MVAs, sun downing patients from local nursing homes being dumped in, chest pains/MIs, broken bones etc.
It was pure hell.
Obviously, Mr. Foot Pain was not going to be a priority. Apparently he ended up waiting for over 6 hours. Got mad, walked out (how's that for foot pain, huh?), went to a pay phone a block away and called an ambulance.
NY law states ambulances cannot refuse rides.
He came in, ER doc diagnosed him in under 2 minutes (Dx: benign sprain. Tx: bedrest and warm soaks with OTC pain pills) and discharged his ass. The minute this clown stepped outside the ER, city police arrested his ass for ***** of EMS services.
You should have heard the ER staff applauding....
Many, many, many years ago; when I was young (and stupid) enough to work in a Level I trauma center in New York, we had a case of a joker who came in with foot pain.
Understand that this was a L-I trauma center, on a Saturday night at 2 in the night/early morning. (Remember the Law of Twos - 2 O'clock, 2 beers, 2 dudes....) I mean were were swamped - gang war had broken out, we had a couple dozen bad MVAs, sun downing patients from local nursing homes being dumped in, chest pains/MIs, broken bones etc.
It was pure hell.
Obviously, Mr. Foot Pain was not going to be a priority. Apparently he ended up waiting for over 6 hours. Got mad, walked out (how's that for foot pain, huh?), went to a pay phone a block away and called an ambulance.
NY law states ambulances cannot refuse rides.
He came in, ER doc diagnosed him in under 2 minutes (Dx: benign sprain. Tx: bedrest and warm soaks with OTC pain pills) and discharged his ass. The minute this clown stepped outside the ER, city police arrested his ass for ***** of EMS services.
You should have heard the ER staff applauding....
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
HAHAHA, that's a pretty good story. Here's something that happened to me...
I cut my arm INSANELY bad a few years back and had to go to the ER. When I arrived, there were maybe 6 or 7 other people there for treatment, which is not a lot when you consider the size of this hospital. By the time I got to the hospital, I lost so much ***** that the shirt I wrapped around my arm was 100% soaked in *****, and the whole right side of my jeans were soaked in ***** as well. In other words, I was ********...A LOT. You'd think that someone who was ******** profusely would get some sort of immediate attention...nope, it doesn't work that way apparently.
After waiting for about 20 minutes, one of the nurses came out and took me to one of the rooms in the back. She sat me down on one of the beds, propped my arm up and set a plastic tub underneath it. Yes, a plastic tub. No gauze, no sort of help to stop the ********...a PLASTIC TUB. So, another 15-20 minutes later she came back and saw that I got some ***** on the floor and she started to yell at me. We obviously exchanged some words and then I ended up *********** because I lost too much *****. They gave me some *****, I woke up. The nurse...still yelling at me.
I cut my arm on a huge plate glass window (don't ask) and it ended up cutting through the muscle in my forearm. The doctor put 12 "staples" into my muscle and another 14 stitches to close the wound.
10 days later I had to go back to the hospital to have the stitches removed. The nurse who was removing my stitches took her scissors and cut waaaaay too much. Yeah, she got the stitches alright, but she completely reopened my wound. I was obviously pretty pissed, so I asked her, "Are you NEW? Seriously, is this your first day?" Her response, in a completely bitchy tone of voice, "No...but I just got back from vacation." (Insert the sound of other nurses laughing here)
To this day, I can't look at my scar without getting mad about that.
I cut my arm INSANELY bad a few years back and had to go to the ER. When I arrived, there were maybe 6 or 7 other people there for treatment, which is not a lot when you consider the size of this hospital. By the time I got to the hospital, I lost so much ***** that the shirt I wrapped around my arm was 100% soaked in *****, and the whole right side of my jeans were soaked in ***** as well. In other words, I was ********...A LOT. You'd think that someone who was ******** profusely would get some sort of immediate attention...nope, it doesn't work that way apparently.
After waiting for about 20 minutes, one of the nurses came out and took me to one of the rooms in the back. She sat me down on one of the beds, propped my arm up and set a plastic tub underneath it. Yes, a plastic tub. No gauze, no sort of help to stop the ********...a PLASTIC TUB. So, another 15-20 minutes later she came back and saw that I got some ***** on the floor and she started to yell at me. We obviously exchanged some words and then I ended up *********** because I lost too much *****. They gave me some *****, I woke up. The nurse...still yelling at me.
I cut my arm on a huge plate glass window (don't ask) and it ended up cutting through the muscle in my forearm. The doctor put 12 "staples" into my muscle and another 14 stitches to close the wound.
10 days later I had to go back to the hospital to have the stitches removed. The nurse who was removing my stitches took her scissors and cut waaaaay too much. Yeah, she got the stitches alright, but she completely reopened my wound. I was obviously pretty pissed, so I asked her, "Are you NEW? Seriously, is this your first day?" Her response, in a completely bitchy tone of voice, "No...but I just got back from vacation." (Insert the sound of other nurses laughing here)
To this day, I can't look at my scar without getting mad about that.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
No no noooo. This was back when I lived in Cleveland. Unfortunately, I haven't had the pleasure of an ER visit here in Chicago yet.
I heard about this on the news last night and as has been said this is not the 1st story like this.They said the locals refer to the Hospital as "Killer King"
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
:wtf: !
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
Thanks for the update. I think they should shut it down.
phew, u almost made me mad too,
but I think I'm about to get 'comfortably numb' (by Pink Floyd)
-that's the reason for the "almost" up there-
Just quoting YMIHERE for reference:
They JUST NOW posted those signs??!!
"received counseling on their responsibilities" ??? WOW! I didn't know trained professionals working critical care needed to be "educated" on their fucking "responsibilities" !!!!
No comment needed!
I see a lot of "frequent fliers" in the ER - mostly **** addicts seeking a quick fix. I also know how CRAZY an ER can get... it's a very hard call to make during triage. Triage is as much an art as it is a science - and the over loading of our emergency medical services cannot make this better!
But if this news report is true - no one assessed this patient? No body even bothered to do a basic workup and no doctor saw her?
THAT is unconscionable BULLSHIT!
cheers,
R. (healthcare professional with over 20 years of experience)
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