...and that the teams management likes to exploit the fans loyalty and rip them off.
Where Have All the [MLB] Fans Gone?
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...and that the teams management likes to exploit the fans loyalty and rip them off.
Baseball fans need to go on a lockout until prices are lowered.
Aren't they already the low low for nose bleads? And I'm not talking about Wrigley.
I think the decrease is due to the economy. People no longer get the tickets packages. Also, most adults are at work during the day game and kids are at school.
The Florida Marlins have a legitimate shot at the Playoffs, as they do every year.
Yes, revenue sharing has always been questionable at best with the Marlins, Royals, Tigers, and Pirates. They've historically spent less than 40% of their share of the revenue from the league, but Jeffrey Loria has put everyone else to shame by spending about 15% of the nearly $300 million the Marlins have made since revenue sharing was increased. He's pocketed the rest of it.
I've literally never heard a single person describe the game of baseball as a shame sport. Sure, extremists would say something like that in regards to steroids, but to be honest, that opinion doesn't matter a whole lot when you consider that baseball is one of the lowest paying sports per player because they don't have a salary cap.
MLB absolutely does need a salary cap. While there are a few teams that don't spend the money they make in revenue and luxury tax income, the underlying rules for revenue sharing are so otiose it's a joke. People are justified in criticizing the Yankees and Red Sox and most of the other large market teams because they fucking work the system. The New York Yankees just last year opened a new stadium which will in the end cost the city almost a billion dollars to finance, with the Yankees picking up somewhere between $100-150 million over 25 years. The team keeps all profit from the parking structures (something only one other team, the Red Sox benefit from), and are tax exempt in the state of New York on all goods and services they provide. That is the most quintessential form of an unfair advantage that you'll find in professional sports.
No other teams outside of New York, Boston, and Chicago have the benefit of receiving tax exempt status. Teams make on average about $206 million over the course of the season. Take out the average of 8% commerce tax from most states, you're looking at about $190 minus their share to the league on goods puts you at about $160 minus the league average $84 million in salaries for players you're looking at $76 million, then you take all of the salaries out for stadium expenses, and you're looking at about $35-40 million. So in the offseason, one could expect an average owner to have approximately that much to spend on new players, which with contracts where they are now, is about 3 Free Agent contracts. The Yankees and Red Sox on the other hand, average about $350-375 with all of the benefits they enjoy. If any other team in the game had those perks, they'd be spending the money the Yankees do. Problem is, no one else gets those perks.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Same in St. Louis....win or lose, Busch Stadium is packed. It's a baseball town first and foremost.
I'm willing to bet that attendance is poor for certain teams and cities when the following criteria are in place:
1) Baseball is a secondary sport in popularity in the local region (i.e. here in Houston, football rules over all).
2) The team is not competitive.
The fans here in Houston are notorious bandwagoners. If the Astros are good, attendance is reflective of that. If they are not (like this year for instance), the "fans" stay away.
There's a huge imbalance in competitive capability in MLB that needs to be addressed before there can be any type of parity. Pittsburgh and Kansas City will never be able to field competitive teams on any type of consistent basis while the present system is in place.
My :2 cents:
A very insightful post.
First of all, I was sort of taking a shot at the Canadiens
; and, the majority of the league (well, all of the league, aside from one team) is stateside.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
First of all, I was sort of taking a shot at the Canadiens
It's Canadians, thank you very much. The Canadiens are a hockey team. :nono:
Well think about it. If you're a Blue Jays fan you can pretty much write off your teams playoff hopes as soon as the season starts. This goes for a lot of teams in MLB. I mean you've got a long ass season and a playoffs where only a small number of teams get in and it's usually the same ones. Why bother.
MLB should follow what the NHL did with it's salary cap and then that is have a max and a minimum so rich teams can't continually raid the poorer teams and the cheapskate teams are forced to spend so they can reach the salary floor. The difference in the NHL between the max and min is $16 million.
MLB should follow what the NHL did with it's salary cap and then that is have a max and a minimum so rich teams can't continually raid the poorer teams and the cheapskate teams are forced to spend so they can reach the salary floor. The difference in the NHL between the max and min is $16 million.
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PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Yeah, I still had their loss in the back of my mind from last night.
Psst... I'm not a Canadiens fan.
It's a totally different game, and I'm sure someone will say that the comparison doesn't work, but to see the benefits of the salary cap, just look at the current NHL playoffs. The skill level of each team is a lot closer, and there really are no odds-on favourites. It makes for more exciting games, in my opinion.
It doesn't matter if it's a different game or not because we're not talking games here we're talking economics. The only difference in the cap will be that the MLB one will have a larger MAX and a larger MIN then the NHL cap. This will work even better if they can cap the max amount a player can make per season that way you don't end up with guys like A-Rod making more than some teams payrolls.
And yeah, it would make things more interesting as parity is a good thing.
