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7 Pa. ACORN workers charged in voter probe
By JOE MANDAK
Associated Press Writer

Seven Pittsburgh-area ACORN workers were charged with falsifying voter registration forms, with six accused of doing so to meet the group's alleged quota system before last year's general election.

District Attorney Stephen Zappala Jr. said he's hoping the workers charged Thursday will help authorities determine whether Allegheny County ACORN officials will be charged with requiring the illegal quotas or otherwise directing that voter registrations be faked.

"You should consider the investigation as ongoing," Zappala said.

Six suspects forged a total of 51 cards, a felony that carries up to seven years in prison. The same six also were charged with illegally accepting payments to meet a quota of 20 registrations per day - a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail.

The one defendant not charged with either of those crimes told police he filled out at least 100 voter registration cards in his own name, even though he was already registered and knew it was illegal. He's charged with misdemeanor counts of obstructing and interfering with the elections process, as are several of the others.

Zappala said investigators targeted 100 local ACORN canvassers after county elections officials started noticing dozens of possibly forged registration forms in August. ACORN registered 38,000 new voters in southwestern Pennsylvania, including about 33,600 in the county last year, Zappala said.

There's no evidence anybody voted illegally or was denied a vote because of the scam, Zappala said.

One worker allegedly forged cards using names of already registered voters, but with different addresses. Another unwittingly solicited a county elections worker who filled out a card but didn't sign it. The card wound up filed, with a forged signature and fake Social Security number. Two other workers filed 13 and 30 forged cards, respectively, using bogus information, including names of dead or nonexistent people.

The DA noted that the Nevada attorney general on Monday charged ACORN - the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now Inc. - and two employees for allegedly having a quota. That's a felony in Nevada, where canvassers made $8-$9 an hour but were required to turn in 20 voters per daily shift to be paid, Zappala said.

Zappala said the Allegheny County workers also worked under the 20-card daily quota, but made $8-$10 an hour for a five-hour shift.

"You would be gone that day if you didn't get the quota," Zappala said.

Zappala said no local ACORN supervisors or officials are charged yet, because police need additional evidence. Complicating matters is that some canvassers may have been hired through subcontractors, he said.

Scott Levenson, national spokesman for ACORN, denied the quota exists but said workers were expected to register some voters to earn their hourly pay. "Obviously, we're entitled to have standards," he said.

Levenson called the charges "a big step on the continued vindication of ACORN's name." He said most of the workers were charged "with evidence delivered by us," though court documents don't reflect that.

The charges are based on information from county elections workers, or the workers themselves - including one who said her ACORN supervisor had her fill out bogus cards at the group's Pittsburgh call center.

That worker, Latasha Kinney, 27, of New Kensington, is charged with forging 13 cards including one using a dead man's name.

Kinney's criminal affidavit says the ACORN supervisor, Hazel Hastings allowed workers to sign cards that previously were filled out with false information. Hastings had Kinney "completely fill out forged voters registrant cards with false dates of birth and social security numbers," the affidavit alleges.

Hastings, who has not been charged, declined comment Thursday.

Kinney; Alexis Givner, 23, of West Mifflin; and Pittsburgh residents, Mario Grisom, 28, Ashley Clarke, 21, Eric Jones, 20, and Eric Jordan, 19, all face at one forgery count and the quota charge. Bryan Williams, 22, of McKeesport, faces only the other charges. The suspects were being arraigned Thursday. It was not clear if any had attorneys in this case, though Jordan and Williams are already incarcerated on other crimes, Zappala said.


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What's all of this "has not been charged" crap ? Of course the president is going to protect his vote collectors what did you expect ? After all this IS Chicago politics. :rolleyes:


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Only Four Democrats Opposed Pro-ACORN Amendment
By: Kevin Mooney
Examiner Investigative Reporter
05/13/09 8:59 AM EDT
Only four Democrats voted against an amendment last week that would that allow organizations with a criminal history to receive taxpayer funding. They are: Rep. Bobby Bright (D-Ala.) Rep. Harry Mitchell (D-Ariz.), Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and Rep. Walt Minnick (D-Idaho).
The amendment passed by a margin of 245-176 in an otherwise party line vote just as new criminal charges were filed against the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN) in Nevada and Pennsylvania. The group is now under investigation for voter fraud in at least 14 different states.
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) submitted an amendment in April to the Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act that would prevent organizations like ACORN that have been indicted for voter fraud from being eligible for the housing counseling grants and legal assistance grants. The House Finance Committee unanimously passed her amendment on a voice vote.
But Barney Frank (D-Mass.), the committee chairman, reversed his position just a few hours later and offered a competing amendment that would lower the bar for organizations like ACORN.
“I made a mistake yesterday in not objecting to the Bachmann amendment,” he said. “I did not read it carefully, and it was in the last minute that the amendment was accepted. It is a deeply flawed amendment and I am opposed to it. Banning people from possible participation in government programs based on an indictment is a violation of the basic principles of due process, and I intend to offer a corrected amendment when the bill comes to the floor of the House next week.”
This “corrected” amendment states that organizations can still receive funding so long as they have not been convicted. Unfortunately, this essentially “eviscerates” the meaning of the original amendment and sets the bar too low for groups like ACORN, Bachmann has argued.
“While I realize that we are all innocent until proven guilty, ACORN has established a pattern of voter registration violations that seems to pop up election after election and in state after state. The courts are the appropriate place to try guilt and innocence,” she wrote in a blog post. Congress has a fiduciary obligation to spend tax dollars wisely.”
The 2010 federal budget contains an additional $5.5 billion that can find its way into ACORN’s coffers as The Examiner has previously reported. Now that 245 members of Congress are on record supporting taxpayer funding for organizations with a criminal history it would seem that ACORN remains well positioned, despite new allegations.
“I am disappointed that Congress decided to side with ACORN today over the taxpayers. It is not only legitimate for Congress to decide the threshold for accessing taxpayer funds; it is incumbent upon us to do so. And, for far too long, Congress has cavalierly distributed taxpayer money,” said Bachmann. This is a shameful abdication of our fiduciary duties.”

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Community Organized Criminals

"C.O.CS."
:rofl:
 
*sigh*

We are in serious need of some "culling of the heard" when shit like this happens.
 

maildude

Postal Paranoiac
Find an ACORN twice...--Sparky Anderson
 
Despite the context and innuendo of the story, ACORN is not the villain here but the victim.

In most cases where workers or canvassers commit fraud it's ACORN who reports them. I don't know how people keep getting this confused.

ACORN pays people to legally canvass and register potential voters. If the people they pay to do this turn to them fraudulent voter registration cards...IT'S ACORN THAT'S THE VICTIM as they have paid for something they didn't get.

It's like paying someone to go collect authentic paintings for you and they in turn, knowingly deliver to you fakes. Who's the victim?

Now it seems the prosecutors are trying to tie ACORN to this by suggesting it's illegal to establish quotas. But it has to be the right of ACORN to reasonably ensure that the workers they employ are ACTUALLY working and not sitting around in their cars getting high for 8 hours.

I will say ACORN has done an extremely poor job representing themselves in this thereby allowing their opponents to continue to misrepresent facts, making them sound like they're corrupt.
 
Or maybe its just a product of it being not that easy to get the required number of cards signed each day.Add that to its a low paid job being done by people I'm sure need the money and you have the situation where they do what they have to do to keep working and get paid.
No votes were faked and it had zero effect on the election.
 
People should look up the "Help America Vote" act.


Thats the bad news.
 
yeah even without acorn it turns out your vote isn't worth much, politicians will still say what you want to hear while running for office and do what they want once in office
 
No votes were faked and it had zero effect on the election.

Bingo. If they turn in fake registration cards, how will this fictional person then go out to vote??

ACORN isn't buying votes nor determining who votes for whom.

It's a story but it really has no impact on anything and it's certainly not nearly as bad as a case here in OC, CA where a GOP organization was registering real people and later switching their registrations from Democrat to Republican.
 

biomech

Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit
If I remember correctly both candidates spent time speaking to ACORN, it is a larger issue than just the sitting President.
Like someone above said its the people doing the canvassing trying to make a little more money by forging them.
 
Like someone above said its the people doing the canvassing trying to make a little more money by forging them.

While ACORN has a quota they expect to be meet by each canvasser, their voter registration canvassers are paid by the hour.

If the canvassers forge some registrations, that generally posses no threat to a fair election and again, the victim is the person or organization paying for legitimate registrations but getting fake ones.
 

Facetious

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*sigh*

We are in serious need of some "culling of the heard" when shit like this happens.

And this administration has made it very clear via the heinous mouthpiece in Janet neapolitano, that outspoken dissenting opinions will be viewed as "hate speech" or an individual act of "terrorism".
1984 Anybody ?




I like this -
Kinney; Alexis Givner, 23, of West Mifflin; and Pittsburgh residents, Mario Grisom, 28, Ashley Clarke, 21, Eric Jones, 20, and Eric Jordan, 19, all face at one forgery count and the quota charge. Bryan Williams, 22, of McKeesport, faces only the other charges. The suspects were being arraigned Thursday. It was not clear if any had attorneys in this case, though Jordan and Williams are already incarcerated on other crimes, Zappala said.
:rofl:


Quality People ! :updown:
 
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