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US releases man, now al quaeda leader again

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Released detainee now Yemen al-Qaida commander

WASHINGTON – A released Guantanamo Bay terror detainee has reemerged as an al-Qaida commander in Yemen, highlighting the dilemma facing President Barack Obama in shaping plans to close the detention facility and decide the fates of U.S. captives.

A U.S. counterterror official confirmed Friday that Said Ali al-Shihri, who was jailed in Guantanamo for six years after his capture in Pakistan, has resurfaced as a leader of a Yemeni branch of al-Qaida.

"By Allah, imprisonment only increased our persistence in our principles for which we went out, did jihad for, and were imprisoned for," he said in a video posted on a militant-leaning Web site Friday. It was the second time this week a reference to al-Shihri has shown up on the Web site. He was mentioned in an online magazine on Jan. 19 with a reference to his prisoner number at Guantanamo, 372.

Al-Shihri was released by the U.S. in 2007 to the Saudi government for rehabilitation. But this week a publication posted on a militant-leaning Web site said he is now the top deputy in "al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula," a Yemeni offshoot of the terror group headed by Osama bin Laden. The group has been implicated in several attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital Sana.

The announcement from the militant site came the same day that President Barack Obama signed an executive order directing the closure of the jail at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year.

A key question facing Obama's new administration is what to do with the 245 prisoners still confined at Guantanamo. That means finding new detention facilities for hard-core prisoners while trying to determine which detainees are harmless enough to release.

According to the Pentagon at least 18 former Guantanamo detainees have "returned to the fight" and another 43 are suspected of resuming terrorist activities. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell declined to provide the identity of the former detainees or what their terrorist activities were.

It is unclear whether al-Shihri's name would be a new addition to that list of 61.

Al-Shihri is one of a small number of deputies in the Yemeni group, the U.S. counterterror official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss sensitive intelligence.

The militant Web site referred to al-Shihri under his terror nom de guerre, "Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri." The video refers to him as "Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri."

An online magazine posted to the The Internet site said al-Shihri is the group's second-in-command in Yemen. "He managed to leave the land of the two shrines (Saudi Arabia) and join his brothers in al-Qaida," the statement said.

Included in the site's material was a message to Yemen's populace from al-Qaida figure Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's top deputy. SITE Intel Group, which monitors extremist Web sites, provided a partial translation of the magazine article and the video.

According to Pentagon documents, al-Shihri was stopped at a Pakistani border crossing in December 2001 with injuries from an airstrike and recuperated at a hospital in Quetta for a month and a half. Within days of leaving the hospital, he became one of the first detainees sent to Guantanamo.

Al-Shihri allegedly traveled to Afghanistan two weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, provided money to other fighters and trained in urban warfare at a camp north of Kabul, according to a summary of the evidence against him from U.S. military review panels at Guantanamo Bay.

An alleged travel coordinator for al-Qaida, he was also accused of meeting extremists in Mashad, Iran, and briefing them on how to enter Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department documents.

Al-Shihri, however, said he traveled to Iran to buy carpets for his store in Riyadh. He said he felt bin Laden had no business representing Islam, denied any links to terrorism, and expressed interest in rejoining his family in Saudi Arabia.

Yemen is rapidly reemerging as a terrorist battleground and potential base of operations for al-Qaida and is a main concern for U.S. counterterrorism officials. Al-Qaida in Yemen conducted an "unprecedented number of attacks" in 2008 and is likely to be a launching pad for attacks against Saudi Arabia, outgoing CIA Director Michael Hayden said in November.

The most recent attack, in September, killed 16 people. It followed a March mortar attack, and two attacks against Yemen's presidential compound in late April.

The impoverished country on the southern tip of the Arabian peninsula has a weak central government and a powerful tribal system. That leaves large lawless areas open for terrorist training and operations.

Yemen was also the site of the 2000 USS Cole bombing that killed 17 American sailors. Seventeen suspects in the attack were arrested; ten of them escaped Yemen's jails in 2003. One of the primary suspects in the attack, Jamal al-Badawi, escaped jail in 2004. He was taken back into custody last fall under pressure from the U.S. government.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_al_qaida

so I guess in theory.......... Obama closing Gitmo will cause a bunch of terrorist leaders to rise? Can we be thankful to Obama and proud of him as president? Absolutely not :nono:
 
A couple of points georges. First, it was Bush's people who let these people go so it seems to be another Bush failure. Second, Obama is going to close Gitmo but that does mean he will let everyone go free. The plan is to move them to another facility where they will be processed according to the law of the USA.
 
A couple of points georges. First, it was Bush's people who let these people go so it seems to be another Bush failure. Second, Obama is going to close Gitmo but that does mean he will let everyone go free. The plan is to move them to another facility where they will be processed according to the law of the USA.

Yeah they're trialed and everything again after being moved and if there's no evidence of their crime they'll eventually be let free.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
if there's no evidence of their crime,they MUST eventually be let free.
it's called "justice",you know?

You say that, until we release somebody that quickly conjurs up a plot to blow up The Mall of America and kills 20,000 innocent Americans. Justice? Eh...
 
The rule of law is essential for a democracy. Guantanamo was a blemish and should have never been installed. If you're guilty of a terrorist act, you should be judged by a court of law and punished accordingly to the deeds you're convictable for. And if Bush would have integrated terrorism wisely in the US legal system, terrorists could have been tried for war crimes in the US. There would not have been any need for Guantanamo. Instead the US system was stiff and inflexible and conservatives adhered stubbornly to some of the given laws. They were blind to the needs and requirements of the new, small wars and terrorism. Instead they installed a system of torture outside the democratic jurisdiction, which besmirched and befouled the image not only of the US but of western democracy itself.
So, partly it's the US' own fault if some lunatics still run free and wild threatening and blaming.
 
Well expect another attack within the next 2 years. You think this guy isnt going to be pissed about being detained?
 
The story here is apparently this guy was not any sort of terrorist according to even the Bush administration prior to being in gitmo.It was seemingly his being in gitmo that made him want to be a a member of Al queda.Talk about unintended consequences and creating new terrorists!:eek:
 
You say that, until we release somebody that quickly conjurs up a plot to blow up The Mall of America and kills 20,000 innocent Americans. Justice? Eh...

It's the price of freedom. Otherwise the final conclusion to that way of thinking so to kill everybody on Earth that you can't prove innocent of any major crime they may or may not have committed. Having rights sometimes means that the bad people might be let go, but we do it because the price for all the rest to have their freedom is worth it.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
see what happens. We close Guantanamo and they go back to doing shit that will lead to many more violent deaths. Granted it was a bad place but fuck it. Does anyone really think we'd be treated any better in their prisons???
 
the sad part about prison is, a lot of convicts come out as bigger and better criminals
 
So, even with Bush's use of torture they still can't break that guy and found out if he's a true terrorist? Something tells me torture doesn't get the job done like Cheney said.


If US wants to be known as a benevolent nation with immaculate record in human rights then Guantanomo Bay is the worst thing that can happen to that image. US wants to go after China, protest about Dalfur and Nepal, yet they have a camp in which innocent men are being locked up with criminals and given no rights to fair trial. Does that sound like Freedom and Democracy to you?
 
You say that, until we release somebody that quickly conjurs up a plot to blow up The Mall of America and kills 20,000 innocent Americans. Justice? Eh...


So what are we supposed to do with them?


The problem is that a lot of the men held at Guantanamo are not criminals. After 9/11 the US put a bounty out in the middle eastern countries for $30,000 dollars for any "suspicious foreigners". People were rounded up and shipped to Guantanamo. A lot of them were just tourists or foreigners with no terrorist ties. Over time the people with money have been able to fight their way out and get released from Guantanamo but there's still a lot of people left without any way to make their voice heard.

The problem is the US has (had) no intention of trying people as war criminals. They are not POW's, they are not war criminals, they are not criminals. They are just men being held in a detention facility with no intention of having a trial or being released. A lot of them we do not know why they are there, but we assume they have terrorist ties, and have so they have been tortured for information.

It's literally a sick situation, and I don't know how I will ever explain this to my children. If the US witnessed another country doing this, we would call it inhumane.

Now, if some of these men are terrorists, I abso-fucking-lutely believe in punishing them. But as of right now they do not even have a right to have a trial, and according to our constitution that is just wrong. I believe in the American way, and Guantanamo is not the American way.
 
Chef,with your logic,we should put EVERYONE to jail for a crime he MIGHT commit in the future.
does that make sense?
 
"By Allah, imprisonment only increased our persistence in our principles for which we went out, did jihad for, and were imprisoned for," he said in a video posted on a militant-leaning Web site Friday. It was the second time this week a reference to al-Shihri has shown up on the Web site. He was mentioned in an online magazine on Jan. 19 with a reference to his prisoner number at Guantanamo, 372.

Doesnt that basically sum it up?

A man is taken out of his homeland and imprisoned for 6 years without charge. Well would anyone here not have the exact same reaction? As far as I can tell this man was kidnapped and probably subjected to all means of embarrasing and uncomfortable situations and maybe even tortured for something he was never even charged for and was then released which says to me that the US had no charge whatsoever.

I'd want some retribution to.


I wouldnt be surprised if all or a large number of GitMo prisoners have become radicalised because of the actions of the US even if they werent before hand. Does that mean that all of them should be kept prisoner, no it shouldnt. But if they do become members of Al Qaida it would be because of the actions of the US and they would only have themselves to blame.
 

maildude

Postal Paranoiac
I can see both sides of the issue. But the U.S. is acting exactly how you'd expect a nation to act who has been attacked so viciously. History notwithstanding, you can bet that while "interrogation centers" might provoke radical Islamists to action, absence of any meaningful action on the part of the States is no guarantee that they will not strike viciously again.
 
yes.after the crime
not before.based on an "if,maybe,might..."
in guantanamo there were people that didn't commit any crime.
why were they there???
these practices by the US part only increase american-haters around the world.
sometimes I actually believe that that's exactly what the US wants to do.
Give people reasons to hate them,so the war machine can keep on making weapons to fight "the enemies that hate us".
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
So what are we supposed to do with them?

Give them all a trial and then come to a decision.

Chef,with your logic,we should put EVERYONE to jail for a crime he MIGHT commit in the future.
does that make sense?

My logic doesn't come anywhere close to that. This guy was already in custody. He wasn't just some random guy who might commit a crime in the future.

We set a prisoner free and now he is heading up a terrorist cell. This is why we shouldn't just let them all go. Give them all a proper trial, find out the truth as to who they are and what they did or didn't do, then, and only then, make a decision.
 
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