Uploader Sentenced to One Year in Prison (Poll)

Too much or Good?

  • Too much

    Votes: 26 74.3%
  • Perfect, its illegal

    Votes: 6 17.1%
  • No opinion on this

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Total voters
    35
'X-Men Origin: Wolverine' Illegal Uploader Sentenced to One Year in Prison

The sentence was said to be one of the hardest punishments given for an internet piracy case. Lisa E. Feldman, the assistant of U.S. Attorney told Variety, "We believe this is the longest sentence ever imposed for a defendant charged with uploading a single copyrighted film to the internet."

Full story: http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00046285.html

What do you guys think about this? Too much or serves him right?
 
If you say way too much what woudl be a proper sentence and why?
 

FreeOnes_Anders

Closed Account
It's theft, pure and simple, and it needs to be stopped.

Actually, its just distribution of illegal content.

The theft was commited by the person that ripped it / sent it to the uploader, not necessarily the same guy since I doubt that someone living in NYC had access to the work copy itself, it was more than likely sent to him by someone else.

Try to find the root of the problem instead, the people working for the movie companies that actually do leak unreleased movies to uploaders.

And besides, this created an enormous amount of publicity for "X-Men Origins", which strangely enough didnt do to badly when it went out in the movies....
 
If you say way too much what woudl be a proper sentence and why?

Obviously not all, but most people uploading this stuff don't belong in prison. My mom does this shit. If they get caught, prohibit them from having internet access in their home for a year or so and fine them. $5000 and no internet for a while would be a bitch, and it doesn't ruin someones life like prison could.
 
Obviously not all, but most people uploading this stuff don't belong in prison. My mom does this shit. If they get caught, prohibit them from having internet access in their home for a year or so and fine them. $5000 and no internet for a while would be a bitch, and it doesn't ruin someones life like prison could.

I agree to a point
 
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And besides, this created an enormous amount of publicity for "X-Men Origins", which strangely enough didnt do to badly when it went out in the movies....

I was waiting for someone to come with this argument lol. In this case yes it might have went well, overall not soo much.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
It's theft, pure and simple, and it needs to be stopped.
the article said:
The leak case had stolen the attention back in 2009. Despite the case, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine", which was released on May 1, 2009, grossed a massive $373 million worldwide. It led some film observers to debate on whether the leak impacted the film's performance on box office.
I know those that have money to be made want to define piracy as exactly the same as theft as much as possible, but they are different. The difference being: when you steal something, you've deprived the owner of its use, whether that's actually using it, selling it to make money, etc. You steal a car from the dealership, that dealership can no longer sell it and has lost its property. You steal candy from a baby, that baby can no longer eat its candy. Make sense?

When you pirate something digitally, you deprive the owner of nothing; they still own the product, can still sell it, and have lost no money on the manufacturing of it. All you've 'deprived' them of is the assumed money you'd have paid for the product (or in this case, others would have paid if you're uploading it). This particular film still made hundreds of millions of dollars, despite being spread on the internet 'like wildfire'. And if the downloaders are anything like myself, they wouldn't have paid for it anyway. I don't; I find my movies on the 'net or get them from the library. And for those who like to go for the 'what if everybody did that and movies made no money to make more movies' argument, I've two rebuttals: A) That's a ridiculous presumption that will never come even close to happening and B) If it really did, I simply wouldn't watch movies. *shrug*

So with that all said, I think a year in prison is probably far too long, costs the taxpayers loads to keep him there, and will probably release him either useless to society or worse, a danger to society.
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
Actually, its just distribution of illegal content.

The theft was commited by the person that ripped it / sent it to the uploader, not necessarily the same guy since I doubt that someone living in NYC had access to the work copy itself, it was more than likely sent to him by someone else.

Try to find the root of the problem instead, the people working for the movie companies that actually do leak unreleased movies to uploaders.

And besides, this created an enormous amount of publicity for "X-Men Origins", which strangely enough didnt do to badly when it went out in the movies....
or handling stolen goods.

There are plenty of OCSM's and ACP's on this board who, I am sure, would like to see this sort of sentence handed out to the scumbags that rip off their content and then upload it to sharing sites where they then earn money by other people downloading said stolen content.
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
I know those that have money to be made want to define piracy as exactly the same as theft as much as possible, but they are different. The difference being: when you steal something, you've deprived the owner of its use, whether that's actually using it, selling it to make money, etc. You steal a car from the dealership, that dealership can no longer sell it and has lost its property. You steal candy from a baby, that baby can no longer eat its candy. Make sense?

When you pirate something digitally, you deprive the owner of nothing; they still own the product, can still sell it, and have lost no money on the manufacturing of it. All you've 'deprived' them of is the assumed money you'd have paid for the product (or in this case, others would have paid if you're uploading it). This particular film still made hundreds of millions of dollars, despite being spread on the internet 'like wildfire'. And if the downloaders are anything like myself, they wouldn't have paid for it anyway. I don't; I find my movies on the 'net or get them from the library. And for those who like to go for the 'what if everybody did that and movies made no money to make more movies' argument, I've two rebuttals: A) That's a ridiculous presumption that will never come even close to happening and B) If it really did, I simply wouldn't watch movies. *shrug*

So with that all said, I think a year in prison is probably far too long, costs the taxpayers loads to keep him there, and will probably release him either useless to society or worse, a danger to society.

Your car analogy does not stand up under examination.
Do you think that a car company would stand idly by if someone else were to make replica's of their cars and sell them or even give them away?
Look at all of the replica designer gear available - all of it is illegally distributed as it is copyrighted. The same is true of films/video.
You do deprive the owner of something - you deprive them of the income that they would have got for the sale.
You go on to say that you would not have paid for it - that too is illegal.
The people that upload these films/videos earn money from it. They get a small payment for each download - in some cases, this can result in tens of thousands of pounds or dollars.
There are OCMS's and ACP's on this board who are losing a lot of money because of the uploaders and subsequent downloaders of copyrighted material.
 
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There are OCMS's and ACP's on this board who are losing a lot of money because of the uploaders and subsequent downloaders of copyrighted material.

The complete adult industry is being hurt a lot by piracy. Problem for is that we hardly have other sides of income. We dont do music concerts and most of us dont have merchandise or sponsor deals to make up for the loss.

The whole piracy issue is a tough cookie. People in general seem to see the internet and all of its content as free. The whole internet generation is growing up with the idea that everything should be for free.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
The complete adult industry is being hurt a lot by piracy. Problem for is that we hardly have other sides of income. We dont do music concerts and most of us dont have merchandise or sponsor deals to make up for the loss.

The whole piracy issue is a tough cookie. People in general seem to see the internet and all of its content as free. The whole internet generation is growing up with the idea that everything should be for free.

No question it's a difficult situation; and my differentiation between stealing and piracy shouldn't be confused as saying 'oh, piracy's okay'. It's just a different beast that raises some difficult challenges for all media industries. Porn, as you mention, more so because of it's 'taboo' nature (live sex tours! ...no, not to so much?), whereas the movie industry still makes big bucks from cinema showings, music industry from concerts/shows, etc. Though with the rising popularity of e-readers, the book industry's another one that's coming to terms with piracy (I can't imagine any author makes any significant amount of money from book readings). Neil Gaiman has an interesting opinion on the subject.

You do deprive the owner of something - you deprive them of the income that they would have got for the sale.
Again, this is assumed I would buy it if it weren't available for free - but if I thought it was worth what it was being priced at, I would have. Often, it's not. Stuff is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, not what it's being charged.

There are two paths for media industries to take, realistically; they can either try the legal route to bash piracy into oblivion, which I honestly think doesn't have a remote chance of working. The other option is to evolve to provide their content in such ways (if they haven't already) that are either un-pirate-able (live shows, cinema viewings, etc - how the book/porn industry finds a means to do this, I can't say. Streaming content and social interaction, perhaps; the video game industry has done relatively well by using social aspects of online play and the like to enforce lawful ownership), or cheap and convenient enough that people will want to buy instead of pirate.
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
Again, this is assumed I would buy it if it weren't available for free - but if I thought it was worth what it was being priced at, I would have. Often, it's not. Stuff is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, not what it's being charged.

There are two paths for media industries to take, realistically; they can either try the legal route to bash piracy into oblivion, which I honestly think doesn't have a remote chance of working. The other option is to evolve to provide their content in such ways (if they haven't already) that are either un-pirate-able (live shows, cinema viewings, etc - how the book/porn industry finds a means to do this, I can't say. Streaming content and social interaction, perhaps; the video game industry has done relatively well by using social aspects of online play and the like to enforce lawful ownership), or cheap and convenient enough that people will want to buy instead of pirate.

You don't download something just because it is free. You download it because you want to watch it. If it is free (to you), then you see it as fair game. If you did not want to watch it, you would not download it in the first place - what would be the point? In reality, it is comparable to buying something cheap for cash from someone you just met - you know that you are buying something that has been stolen.

People will always want to pick up something for nothing, but what those people do not see is that they are actually lining the pockets of criminals. Yes, you download something for free, but who uploaded it in the first place? That person is not doing it out of the goodness of his heart, through some sense of altruism, they are doing it to earn money off the backs of someone else's work. You notice all those adverts that pop up and get in the way on your "free" download site. They earn the "content sharing site" money. This money is then paid to the uploaders on a per download basis. So you are getting your stolen content free, and some scumbag is getting rich because of it.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
And besides, this created an enormous amount of publicity for "X-Men Origins", which strangely enough didnt do to badly when it went out in the movies....

Kind of a mute point considering the film was always going to be a blockbuster and argurably underperformed at the box office.
 

Mayhem

Banned
I just think it's important that we fill our prisons with as many non-violent offenders as possible. This will help our massive prison under-crowding problem. And if we mix enough non-violent offenders in with the shooters, armed robbers and drug dealers, they can teach their non-violent ways to the rest of the population and we will all live in a happier, more peaceful world. Right?
 
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