United-Continental Merger

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Well, yet another mega-airline is created. Only a couple of years ago, American Airlines was the largest in the world. Now, since Delta merged with Northwest, US Airways merged with America West and now this latest United-Continental thing, AA has been relegated to #4. The new child of this latest union is being called United but Continental CEO Jeff Smisek will serve in the same capacity with the new entity.

This continued consolidation of US air carriers affects me tremendously because I travel a lot on business. I'm a lifelong Continental guy so I'm not too pleased about this latest development. It's likely to mean fewer flights and higher fares. My frequent flier status is likely to be diminished. Life in the fast lane will get tougher for all of us road warriors.

United will now be the largest airline in the world. They will have domestic hubs in New York, Washington, Cleveland, Chicago, Houston, Denver, Los Angeles and San Francisco. They will be dominant in international travel, with United being strong in Asia and Continental being strong in Europe and Latin America. It's a monumental development.

At this point, there are only a few independent carriers left and only Southwest maintains a national presence. The others (Air Tran, Frontier, Midwest, Jetblue, Alaska, Spirit) are strictly regional carriers. Other than some various commuter and charter carriers, that is the entire US airline infrastructure. Competition is shrinking and the incentive for a merger like the United-Continental deal are blatant attempts to eliminate competition and exploit the business traveler. Still, there's no way the FTC will stop this deal.

My prediction is that, although airlines will continue to maintain high booking rates (everything I ride these days is stuffed like a sardine can), a lot of companies will begin to look for ways to eliminate air travel whenever possible. With the conferencing technology that is being made available these days, the need to physically meet with clients and prospects is becoming less important in many instances. Why spend between $1,000 and $2,000 on a business trip (my average cost for a 3-4 day trip) when you may be able to accomplish the same result in a 1 hour video-conference that can cost as little as $50/month (or free it you do an audio conference over the phone)?

Those of you who would yawn at all this since you don't travel much will feel it when you do have the occasion to fly. Fares on the regional carriers are bound to feel a "trickle-down" effect so my bet is that you'll pay more to fly as time goes on (and continue to receive fewer amenities) in the process.

Article on the subject is here for those who may have an interest:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2010-05-04-airlinemerger04_CV_N.htm

Here's a rendering of what the new look will be....the United name but Continetal colors and motif (I like it....looks great really):
 

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I used to fly around 125,000+ miles a year, mostly on United. It's a shitty airline and I hate them... and didn't we the US taxpayers bail these money-losing, horrible customer service providing fuckers out recently because the big companies like United were "too important to fail?"

What bullshit. Does anyone else see a pattern here?

Company A runs a previously good business into the ground.

Company A gets bailed out by taxpayers, the same people they screw on a day to day basis.

Company A starts making money again, and "donating" cash to politicians who helped bail them out.

Company A keeps screwing taxpayers, along with the politicians.



I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!!
 
This is bad news for domestic ticket prices. There are a few, very small airlines that are making things more manageable (like Allegiant Air), but with a monopoly like this, prices will go up. Too bad.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I used to fly around 125,000+ miles a year, mostly on United. It's a shitty airline and I hate them... and didn't we the US taxpayers bail these money-losing, horrible customer service providing fuckers out recently because the big companies like United were "too important to fail?"

Your memory is correct, sir.

The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments.

And what happened after the bailout?

The Chrysler and airline bailout plans had a commonality: stock warrants. A provision inserted into the ATSS Act, which allowed the Treasury to purchase stock at below-market prices from any airline receiving a loan guarantee, allowed the Treasury to earn money. Reports varied on the total net profit, ranging from $141.7 million to $327 million. The loan guarantee program suffered one loss of about $23.2 million when ATA Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection.

Reference is here:

http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts

At least this was a deal where the American taxpayer actually came out ahead so I can't bitch about it. I'd like to see a similar bit of information on the other bailouts.

I hope the "shitty" culture at United doesn't become the dominant one in this deal but I fear it may happen. Smisek seems like a fucking weasel to me and Continental's quality has suffered under his leadership (I can't even get a fucking pillow anymore?). Bring back Gordon Bethune!!!! Business travel sucks!!!!! :thefinger

This is bad news for domestic ticket prices. There are a few, very small airlines that are making things more manageable (like Allegiant Air), but with a monopoly like this, prices will go up. Too bad.

I'm sure your prediction will be manifested, Dirk. :(:mad::(:confused::rolleyes:
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
You don't hear much about United these days. Maybe they ought to go back to being Allegis again...
 
Unfortunately good ol' Continental and it's culture will be absorbed by DisUnited and go down the crapper.
The Proud Bird with the Golden Tail airline will be no more...........a very sad end for a great company.

Cleveland is watching the merger and hoping that United won't dump the city's hub...............they will, they'll quietly dump the hub when no one is looking, trust me.
 

Lust

Lost at Birth
i travel a lot but it's almost exclusively AA with business and its pretty bland and uneventful which is perfect actually. I've flown Southwest and Virgin before and it wasn't a bad experience at all. Worst experience I've had is with US Airways. I've never flown United before.

I have to admit the most pleasant airline experiences i've ever had was with JAL and KLM. Both weren't business related though so maybe thats why lol
 

Skyraider22

The One and Only Big Daddy
i travel a lot but it's almost exclusively AA with business and its pretty bland and uneventful which is perfect actually. I've flown Southwest and Virgin before and it wasn't a bad experience at all. Worst experience I've had is with US Airways. I've never flown United before.

I have to admit the most pleasant airline experiences i've ever had was with JAL and KLM. Both weren't business related though so maybe thats why lol

KLM is pretty good at least you are comfortable.
 
I like United's current livery and dislike Continental's. Too bad an entirely new scheme isn't planned.
 
I'm screwed.
 

tartanterrier

Is somewhere outhere.
I wonder what convinced them to merge.It may have been when
United said....

"United we stand.Divided we fall" :rolleyes:
 
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