Again, It would be best to not station many NATO forces in the Baltic states. NATO Forces would low the Russians down, but they would not defeat a Russian invasion off the Baltic states. Stop watching American cable news. Putin is not going to attack the Baltics. A major war with NATO would cost him job, and probably his life. The Russian people don't care about the Baltics. They do not want portentially tens of thousands of their sons and daughters dying in a war for the Baltic states.
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Again, It would be best to not station many NATO forces in the Baltic states. NATO Forces would low the Russians down, but they would not defeat a Russian invasion off the Baltic states. Stop watching American cable news. Putin is not going to attack the Baltics. A major war with NATO would cost him job, and probably his life. The Russian people don't care about the Baltics. They do not want portentially tens of thousands of their sons and daughters dying in a war for the Baltic states.
France puts warship delivery to Russia on hold
AP 6 hours ago
PARIS (AP) — Responding to international pressure, France suspended the delivery of a warship to Russia at least until November amid security concerns over Moscow's role in the Ukraine crisis, officials said Wednesday.
The Vladivostok, the first of two Mistral-class helicopter carriers ordered by Russia, was due to be delivered next month as part of a 1.2 billion euro ($1.6 billion) contract — the biggest-ever sale of NATO weaponry to Moscow.
The second ship, named Sevastopol, ironically, after a port in the Russia-annexed Crimean Peninsula, has been slated for delivery next year.
In an announcement on the eve of a NATO summit in Wales, French President Francois Hollande's office called the fighting in eastern Ukraine "grave," and said Russia's recent actions harm "the foundations of security in Europe."
It also came after months of pressure on France from allies to suspend the sale because of tensions between Russia and Ukraine.
The U.S. State Department welcomed the move Wednesday.
"We certainly support their decision," spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters in Washington.
A French diplomatic official said a delivery wouldn't go through before November. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
Hollande said talk of a possible cease-fire in Ukraine wasn't enough to allow France to authorize the delivery of the Vladivostok. His office made no mention of the second warship.
France stopped short of cancelling the deal, suggesting that a change in Russia's behavior and handling of the Ukraine crisis could pave the way for the delivery at a later date.
The Vladivostok can carry 700 troops, 16 helicopter gunships, and up to 50 armored vehicles.
Analysts have said the warships would give Russia enhanced ability to move large numbers of troops and equipment, but were not game-changers for Moscow's already powerful military.
Months of resistance to suspending the deal testified in part to Paris' unwillingness to give up a contract worth more than 1 billion euros and thousands of jobs at a time of France's economic slump.
France has no guarantees about how the ships might be used, though the French defense export-control agency had already given the go-ahead for the delivery.
Ukrainian officials had insisted the delivery would violate the European Union's code of conduct. On Friday, the EU is set to toughen sanctions against Russia, after a recent worsening of the crisis in Ukraine.
A senior U.S. defense official said Washington welcomes France's decision, stressing the move reinforces the growing international resolve to hold Moscow accountable for its actions in Ukraine.
The official wasn't authorized to discuss the matter publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.
A senior NATO official said, "Unfortunately, Russia has made this kind of decision the only possible decision, by its actions." He spoke during a pre-summit briefing in Wales where NATO officials answered reporters' questions on the condition that they not be identified.
As recently as July, Hollande said the deal was too costly to cancel, and even this week, his advisers had indicated that France was ready to go ahead with the first delivery. In July, the president said the Russians had paid for the ship, and France would have to reimburse Moscow if it canceled.
AP 6 hours ago
PARIS (AP) — Responding to international pressure, France suspended the delivery of a warship to Russia at least until November amid security concerns over Moscow's role in the Ukraine crisis, officials said Wednesday.
The Vladivostok, the first of two Mistral-class helicopter carriers ordered by Russia, was due to be delivered next month as part of a 1.2 billion euro ($1.6 billion) contract — the biggest-ever sale of NATO weaponry to Moscow.
The second ship, named Sevastopol, ironically, after a port in the Russia-annexed Crimean Peninsula, has been slated for delivery next year.
In an announcement on the eve of a NATO summit in Wales, French President Francois Hollande's office called the fighting in eastern Ukraine "grave," and said Russia's recent actions harm "the foundations of security in Europe."
It also came after months of pressure on France from allies to suspend the sale because of tensions between Russia and Ukraine.
The U.S. State Department welcomed the move Wednesday.
"We certainly support their decision," spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters in Washington.
A French diplomatic official said a delivery wouldn't go through before November. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
Hollande said talk of a possible cease-fire in Ukraine wasn't enough to allow France to authorize the delivery of the Vladivostok. His office made no mention of the second warship.
France stopped short of cancelling the deal, suggesting that a change in Russia's behavior and handling of the Ukraine crisis could pave the way for the delivery at a later date.
The Vladivostok can carry 700 troops, 16 helicopter gunships, and up to 50 armored vehicles.
Analysts have said the warships would give Russia enhanced ability to move large numbers of troops and equipment, but were not game-changers for Moscow's already powerful military.
Months of resistance to suspending the deal testified in part to Paris' unwillingness to give up a contract worth more than 1 billion euros and thousands of jobs at a time of France's economic slump.
France has no guarantees about how the ships might be used, though the French defense export-control agency had already given the go-ahead for the delivery.
Ukrainian officials had insisted the delivery would violate the European Union's code of conduct. On Friday, the EU is set to toughen sanctions against Russia, after a recent worsening of the crisis in Ukraine.
A senior U.S. defense official said Washington welcomes France's decision, stressing the move reinforces the growing international resolve to hold Moscow accountable for its actions in Ukraine.
The official wasn't authorized to discuss the matter publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.
A senior NATO official said, "Unfortunately, Russia has made this kind of decision the only possible decision, by its actions." He spoke during a pre-summit briefing in Wales where NATO officials answered reporters' questions on the condition that they not be identified.
As recently as July, Hollande said the deal was too costly to cancel, and even this week, his advisers had indicated that France was ready to go ahead with the first delivery. In July, the president said the Russians had paid for the ship, and France would have to reimburse Moscow if it canceled.
Viva la France :thumbsup:
Western new media in general is incompetent and doesn't go against the government line on most stories; they fear public backlash and decreased ratings. BRICS countries are supporting Russia for good reason. The EU and the U. S. forced Viktor Yanukovych's resignation and that resignation did not follow Ukrainian law. The West support of the Ukrainian interim and Poroshenko governments campaigns in the East is terrible. The West knows Ukraine is misusing IMF money for its military campaign in the East, but Western leaders are being silent. The West is wants to paly Russian Roulette with the Russians. Putin is ruthless, but not close to vast major of the leaders of the former USSR. Kiev's leadership wouldn't be alive today, if they were facing the USSR.
I don't see China getting involved in this at all as there would be no real benefit for them.
He up and fled the country in the middle of the night. What was parliament supposed to do, allow him to preside in absentia?
He was a two faced, corrupt puppet who did not represent majority will or opinion.
In a poll conducted 2 months later less than 5% of those polled wished to see him return to office.
I have family in Ukraine, very non political people, and even they couldn't stand the guy.
All of Ukraine's leaders have been crooks since it's independence from USSR. The Ukrainians oligarchs, Pro-Western political elites, Svoboda, and Right Sector political alliance have set the country back decades. Yanukovych was a crook, but would've been out office in 2015. The Right Sector forced all Yanukovych's allies out parliament basically by gunpoint. The Russians were going to put pressure on Ukraine, in 2015 when and if the Pro-Western coalition won the government. The Anti Russian campaign of the pro western coalition has failed miserably. Eastern Ukraine will basically be under Russian control for the foreseeable future. And Crimea is gone forever, NATO does not have the forces to retake Crimea from the Russians.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-kiev-regime-is-not-officially-a-neo-nazi-government/5384722
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28942065
Obama and Cameron were talking up the new 10,000 person strong NATO rapid response force today. A few months ago, the Russians had a military exercise that involved 150,000 European based troops.
All the Western financial sanctions my hurt Russia in the short run, but in the long Run they should be fine. I hope sanctions force Putin to make financial reforms, and they force him and his allies to top stealing money.
On this we agree. But while until now the people have often expressed a rather defeatist ambivalence about that, they appear to have finally had enough.
I don't think Ukraine had the luxury of waiting that long for different leadership. He was completely incapable of handling the situation. It remains to be seen just how fruitful that different leadership will turn out to be, but Yanukovych had to go.
Sadly that does appear to be the case.
Well, as I posted above, the Russian economy is already close to recession. How deep or lengthy one might be, if it arrives, is of course dependent on many variables.
Agree with you completely about forcing him and his allies to stop stealing money.
Lost and On Vacation in Ukraine
Saw the news about the Russian Paratroopers that were caught by the Ukrainians, and how the Russians are saying that they were:
a) Lost and wandered into Ukraine
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-in-Ukraine-accidentally-crossed-border.html
OR
b) On vacation in Ukraine. In full military gear.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ops-fighting-in-ukraine-naw-just-on-vacation/
I know its a serious situation, but come on, this has got to make you LOL
Saw the news about the Russian Paratroopers that were caught by the Ukrainians, and how the Russians are saying that they were:
a) Lost and wandered into Ukraine
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-in-Ukraine-accidentally-crossed-border.html
OR
b) On vacation in Ukraine. In full military gear.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ops-fighting-in-ukraine-naw-just-on-vacation/
I know its a serious situation, but come on, this has got to make you LOL
Yes, Russia is probably going have a recession, but they still selling oil and natural gas to the EU. The Russia oil and natural gas fields have the lowest production costs in the world, and those revenue's make up 50-80 of the Russian federal budget. Plus, they have well over $400 billion dollars of foreign exchange reserves. If Putin stops his allies stealing by most reports a further $100 billion dollars will stay in Russia. The West governments on a propaganda to convince voters they are punishing severely Russia for its dealings in Ukraine, but that's far from the truth. The Russians government and oil companies can borrow money from China in a worse case scenario which almost $4 trillion dollars in foreign exchange reserves. The Chinese are investing heavily in Crimea, they building a major bridge at the Kerch Straits to connect Crimea to Russia.
Ukraine breaking the truce.
Civilian killed in Ukraine shelling despite truce
AP 2 hours ago
DONETSK, Ukraine (AP) — One civilian was killed in shelling in the Ukrainian port city of Mariupol and large explosions were heard near the airport in Donetsk early Sunday, raising fears that a cease-fire signed two days ago is on the verge of collapse.
Blasts from the area near the airport were powerful enough to be heard in downtown Donetsk, the main rebel-held city in eastern Ukraine.
A spokesman for Ukraine's national security council, Volodymyr Polyovyi, said at a briefing in Kiev that rebels appeared to have tried to attack the airport, which has been under the control of government troops since May and has come under unremitting attacks from pro-Russia separatist rebels since then.
The cease-fire had appeared to be holding for much of the day on Saturday, but shelling started late at night. A rebel statement said Ukrainian forces violated the cease-fire by firing on their positions in six locations on Saturday, including near the Donetsk airport. The statement said several rebels were killed.
Shelling also occurred overnight on the outskirts of the port city of Mariupol, where Ukrainian troops retain defensive lines against the rebels.
The city council there said one civilian was killed and a serviceman was wounded. A shell also destroyed a nearby gas station and the volunteer Azov Battalion said on Facebook that their positions were hit by Grad rockets, but did not give details.
Mariupol is located on the coast of the Sea of Azov, 115 kilometers (70 miles) south of Donetsk. Rebels recently opened a new front on the coast, leading to fears that they were trying to secure a land corridor between Russia and the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed in March.
Ukraine, Russia and the Kremlin-backed separatists signed the cease-fire deal in the Belarusian capita, Minsk, on Friday in an effort to end more than four months of bloodshed. The negotiators also agreed on the withdrawal of all heavy weaponry, the release of all prisoners and the delivery of humanitarian aid to devastated cities in eastern Ukraine. Western leaders voiced skepticism over Russia's commitment to the deal. A previous 10-day cease-fire, which each side repeatedly accused the other of violating, yielded few results at the negotiating table.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's office on Saturday said he and Russian President Vladimir Putin had discussed steps "for giving the cease-fire a stable character" in a telephone conversation.
But, it said, both leaders assessed the cease-fire as having been "fulfilled as a whole."
Fighting between pro-Russian rebels and Ukrainian government troops has ravaged the already teetering Ukrainian economy, claimed at least 2,600 civilian lives and left hundreds of thousands homeless, according to United Nations estimates.
Civilian killed in Ukraine shelling despite truce
AP 2 hours ago
DONETSK, Ukraine (AP) — One civilian was killed in shelling in the Ukrainian port city of Mariupol and large explosions were heard near the airport in Donetsk early Sunday, raising fears that a cease-fire signed two days ago is on the verge of collapse.
Blasts from the area near the airport were powerful enough to be heard in downtown Donetsk, the main rebel-held city in eastern Ukraine.
A spokesman for Ukraine's national security council, Volodymyr Polyovyi, said at a briefing in Kiev that rebels appeared to have tried to attack the airport, which has been under the control of government troops since May and has come under unremitting attacks from pro-Russia separatist rebels since then.
The cease-fire had appeared to be holding for much of the day on Saturday, but shelling started late at night. A rebel statement said Ukrainian forces violated the cease-fire by firing on their positions in six locations on Saturday, including near the Donetsk airport. The statement said several rebels were killed.
Shelling also occurred overnight on the outskirts of the port city of Mariupol, where Ukrainian troops retain defensive lines against the rebels.
The city council there said one civilian was killed and a serviceman was wounded. A shell also destroyed a nearby gas station and the volunteer Azov Battalion said on Facebook that their positions were hit by Grad rockets, but did not give details.
Mariupol is located on the coast of the Sea of Azov, 115 kilometers (70 miles) south of Donetsk. Rebels recently opened a new front on the coast, leading to fears that they were trying to secure a land corridor between Russia and the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed in March.
Ukraine, Russia and the Kremlin-backed separatists signed the cease-fire deal in the Belarusian capita, Minsk, on Friday in an effort to end more than four months of bloodshed. The negotiators also agreed on the withdrawal of all heavy weaponry, the release of all prisoners and the delivery of humanitarian aid to devastated cities in eastern Ukraine. Western leaders voiced skepticism over Russia's commitment to the deal. A previous 10-day cease-fire, which each side repeatedly accused the other of violating, yielded few results at the negotiating table.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's office on Saturday said he and Russian President Vladimir Putin had discussed steps "for giving the cease-fire a stable character" in a telephone conversation.
But, it said, both leaders assessed the cease-fire as having been "fulfilled as a whole."
Fighting between pro-Russian rebels and Ukrainian government troops has ravaged the already teetering Ukrainian economy, claimed at least 2,600 civilian lives and left hundreds of thousands homeless, according to United Nations estimates.
WORLD UKRAINE
Ukraine Government Repels Rebel Attack on Airport
Associated Press 9/13/2014 5:28 PM ET
LUHANSK, Ukraine — A convoy of more than 200 white trucks crossed the Russian border to deliver humanitarian aid to a battered Ukrainian city on Saturday, a move made without Kiev’s consent yet met with silence by Ukraine’s top leaders.
“Early in the morning, we entered Ukraine to bring aid to Luhansk,” said Yury Stepanov, a Russian who was overseeing the convoy. “We came in around 215 vehicles,” he added, as workers unloaded boxes into a local warehouse.
The much-needed aid arrived as fighting flared again between pro-Russian rebels and government forces, further imperiling an already fragile cease-fire in the region.
On Saturday, Ukraine’s military operation in the east said it had repelled a rebel attack on the government-held airport of Donetsk, which came under artillery fire from rebel positions late on Friday. Ukrainian authorities also admitted for the first time since the cease-fire started last week that they have inflicted casualties on the rebel side.
Continuous rocket fire could be heard overnight in Donetsk. A statement on the city council website said that shells hit residential buildings near the airport, although no casualties were reported. A column of three Grad rocket launchers — all its rockets still in place — was seen moving freely through the rebel-held city on Saturday morning.
In the other regional capital of Luhansk, one of the worst-hit cities where tens of thousands have been without water, electricity, or phone connections for weeks, the streets were calm as Russian drivers unloaded aid packages into local warehouses.
Stepanov said the goods consisted mainly of foodstuffs — rice, sugar, and canned fish and beef — but also included medicine, technical equipment and clothes. The deliveries were in closed boxes, small enough to be easily carried by one person, but rice was seen spilling from a broken bag.
Inside the warehouse, an Associated Press journalist saw water bottles carrying the logo of Russia’s LDPR party, led by virulent nationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
While dozens of local workers unloaded boxes, several carloads of armed militiamen in camouflage arrived to inspect the scene.
Stepanov said his team was responsible only for delivery, and distribution will be handled by local authorities — which for now means the separatist leaders of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic.
Gennady Tsepkalo, a senior separatist official, said retirees, hospital patients and schoolchildren would be priorities for aid. He said the food would not be used to feed rebel fighters.
“The militia will feed itself separately. This is for the residents of the Luhansk People’s Republic,” Tsepkalo said.
Luhansk shows deep scars of an unsuccessful, weeks-long shelling campaign by government troops. The government had regained growing swathes of territory from the separatists over several weeks, but a major rebel counteroffensive beginning in late August halted and reversed that trend.
Luhansk itself was at one point almost totally surrounded by government troops. Those forces have since abandoned many of their former positions.
As the Russian trucks drove back along the border toward Ukraine, rebel fighters along the road punched the air and waved in greeting.
At the border point of Izvarine, a line of cars that stretched for several kilometers was filled with refugees who had fled to Russia but briefly returned during the cease-fire to grab all the household items they could.
An August agreement between Russia, Ukraine, and the international Red Cross allowed Moscow to bring aid to the region, as long as all vehicles were inspected by Ukrainian border guards and escorted by the ICRC. After two weeks of waiting at the border for all sides to agree, Russia sent the cargo across the border without Kiev’s consent.
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s observer mission to the Russian-Ukrainian border said Saturday that ed220 trucks cross into Ukraine, none of which were inspected by the Ukrainian side or accompanied by the ICRC.
“We were not officially notified of an agreement between Moscow and Kiev to ship the cargo,” Galina Balzamova, a representative of the ICRC’s Moscow office, said Saturday.
The Russian emergency ministry, which coordinated previous humanitarian aid deliveries to Ukraine, could not be reached for comment.
Col. Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, told journalists Saturday that Russia’s move into Ukrainian territory was “illegal.”
But the silence of Ukraine’s top leaders marked a dramatic shift in Kiev. In August, when Russia sent a convoy of trucks over the border without waiting for Kiev’s approval or oversight from the ICRC, Ukrainian officials quickly condemned what they called an invasion of Ukraine. On Saturday, no top Ukrainian leader mentioned Russia’s latest delivery at all.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has been at pains to prove that the cease-fire has yielded improvements on the ground in east Ukraine. On Friday, he lauded the agreement, which has been riddled by violations since it was imposed last week, as a “fragile but efficient peace process.” Allowing more humanitarian aid into the region was one component of the 12-point deal.
Ukraine Government Repels Rebel Attack on Airport
Associated Press 9/13/2014 5:28 PM ET
LUHANSK, Ukraine — A convoy of more than 200 white trucks crossed the Russian border to deliver humanitarian aid to a battered Ukrainian city on Saturday, a move made without Kiev’s consent yet met with silence by Ukraine’s top leaders.
“Early in the morning, we entered Ukraine to bring aid to Luhansk,” said Yury Stepanov, a Russian who was overseeing the convoy. “We came in around 215 vehicles,” he added, as workers unloaded boxes into a local warehouse.
The much-needed aid arrived as fighting flared again between pro-Russian rebels and government forces, further imperiling an already fragile cease-fire in the region.
On Saturday, Ukraine’s military operation in the east said it had repelled a rebel attack on the government-held airport of Donetsk, which came under artillery fire from rebel positions late on Friday. Ukrainian authorities also admitted for the first time since the cease-fire started last week that they have inflicted casualties on the rebel side.
Continuous rocket fire could be heard overnight in Donetsk. A statement on the city council website said that shells hit residential buildings near the airport, although no casualties were reported. A column of three Grad rocket launchers — all its rockets still in place — was seen moving freely through the rebel-held city on Saturday morning.
In the other regional capital of Luhansk, one of the worst-hit cities where tens of thousands have been without water, electricity, or phone connections for weeks, the streets were calm as Russian drivers unloaded aid packages into local warehouses.
Stepanov said the goods consisted mainly of foodstuffs — rice, sugar, and canned fish and beef — but also included medicine, technical equipment and clothes. The deliveries were in closed boxes, small enough to be easily carried by one person, but rice was seen spilling from a broken bag.
Inside the warehouse, an Associated Press journalist saw water bottles carrying the logo of Russia’s LDPR party, led by virulent nationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
While dozens of local workers unloaded boxes, several carloads of armed militiamen in camouflage arrived to inspect the scene.
Stepanov said his team was responsible only for delivery, and distribution will be handled by local authorities — which for now means the separatist leaders of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic.
Gennady Tsepkalo, a senior separatist official, said retirees, hospital patients and schoolchildren would be priorities for aid. He said the food would not be used to feed rebel fighters.
“The militia will feed itself separately. This is for the residents of the Luhansk People’s Republic,” Tsepkalo said.
Luhansk shows deep scars of an unsuccessful, weeks-long shelling campaign by government troops. The government had regained growing swathes of territory from the separatists over several weeks, but a major rebel counteroffensive beginning in late August halted and reversed that trend.
Luhansk itself was at one point almost totally surrounded by government troops. Those forces have since abandoned many of their former positions.
As the Russian trucks drove back along the border toward Ukraine, rebel fighters along the road punched the air and waved in greeting.
At the border point of Izvarine, a line of cars that stretched for several kilometers was filled with refugees who had fled to Russia but briefly returned during the cease-fire to grab all the household items they could.
An August agreement between Russia, Ukraine, and the international Red Cross allowed Moscow to bring aid to the region, as long as all vehicles were inspected by Ukrainian border guards and escorted by the ICRC. After two weeks of waiting at the border for all sides to agree, Russia sent the cargo across the border without Kiev’s consent.
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s observer mission to the Russian-Ukrainian border said Saturday that ed220 trucks cross into Ukraine, none of which were inspected by the Ukrainian side or accompanied by the ICRC.
“We were not officially notified of an agreement between Moscow and Kiev to ship the cargo,” Galina Balzamova, a representative of the ICRC’s Moscow office, said Saturday.
The Russian emergency ministry, which coordinated previous humanitarian aid deliveries to Ukraine, could not be reached for comment.
Col. Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, told journalists Saturday that Russia’s move into Ukrainian territory was “illegal.”
But the silence of Ukraine’s top leaders marked a dramatic shift in Kiev. In August, when Russia sent a convoy of trucks over the border without waiting for Kiev’s approval or oversight from the ICRC, Ukrainian officials quickly condemned what they called an invasion of Ukraine. On Saturday, no top Ukrainian leader mentioned Russia’s latest delivery at all.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has been at pains to prove that the cease-fire has yielded improvements on the ground in east Ukraine. On Friday, he lauded the agreement, which has been riddled by violations since it was imposed last week, as a “fragile but efficient peace process.” Allowing more humanitarian aid into the region was one component of the 12-point deal.
LOL with FOs star links as Ariel Rebel in the story is caught up in this.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
The Russkis are merely defending their own territory. Whether it's their territory now, or soon will be.
Supafly
Retired Mod
Well said, VV! Do you guys know that the planeyards and the whole bureau complex where Antonov created not only he largest airplane in the world (Which is essential for the russian space program), but the workhorses that are the backbone of the russian system, in regards of air traffic etc.
If Florida would segregate from the USA, like Texas loves to threaten, would the US governemnt say, okay, we give up that state. Hell, no.
The Ukraine will eventually become russian again. It is only a matter of time.
If Florida would segregate from the USA, like Texas loves to threaten, would the US governemnt say, okay, we give up that state. Hell, no.
The Ukraine will eventually become russian again. It is only a matter of time.
Antonov is in a bad situation. Ilyushin and Tupolev are two of the most experienced makers of large military aircraft in the world. Plus the Russian have Beriev, which has an designed that uses technology from the Caspian Sea Monster. The Be-2500 would dwarf the An-225.
http://www.beriev.com/eng/Be-2500_e/Be-2500_e.html
Putin taking advantage of the US I'm right political fight.
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