U.S. prison system a costly and harmful failure: report

I agree with this report by criminal justice experts wh recommend that a major justice-system overhaul is long overdue and in order!

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1841666120071119?rpc=24

U.S. prison system a costly and harmful failure: report

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:06pm EST

By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of people in U.S. prisons has risen eight-fold since 1970, with little impact on crime but at great cost to taxpayers and society, researchers said in a report calling for a major justice-system overhaul.

The report on Monday cites examples ranging from former vice-presidential aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby to a Florida woman's two-year sentence for throwing a cup of coffee to make its case for reducing the U.S. prison population of 2.2 million -- nearly one-fourth of the world's total.

It recommends shorter sentences and parole terms, alternative punishments, more help for released inmates and decriminalizing recreational drugs. It said the steps would cut the prison population in half, save $20 billion a year and ease social inequality without endangering the public.

But the recommendations run counter to decades of broad U.S. public and political support for getting tough on criminals through longer, harsher prison terms and to the Bush administration's anti-drug and strict-sentencing policies.

"President (George W.) Bush was right," in commuting Libby's perjury sentence this year as excessive, the report said. But he should also have commuted the sentences of hundreds of thousands of other Americans, it said.

"Our contemporary laws and justice system practices exacerbate the crime problem, unnecessarily damage the lives of millions of people (and) waste tens of billions of dollars each year," it said.

The report was produced by the JFA Institute, a Washington criminal-justice research group, and its authors included eight criminologists from major U.S. public universities. It was funded by the Rosenbaum Foundation and by financier and political activist George Soros' Open Society Institute.

The Justice Department dismissed the recommendations and cited findings that about 25 percent of the violent-crime drop in the 1990s can be attributed to increases in imprisonment.

"The United States is experiencing a 30-year low in crime, in large part due to the tough enforcement actions we've taken in the last decade," department spokesman Peter Carr said.

SHIFTING ATTITUDES

But there are signs of shifting attitudes on sentencing policies. Some financially strapped states are shortening sentences and Congress is moving to pass increased help for released prisoners, said Executive Director Marc Mauer of the Sentencing Project, which has advocated alternatives to long sentences.

"Compared to where we were in the mid-(19)90s, it's been a very significant change," Mauer said.

More than 1.5 million people are now in U.S. state and federal prisons, up from 196,429 in 1970, the report said. Another 750,000 people are in local jails. The U.S. incarceration rate is the world's highest, followed by Russia, according to 2006 figures compiled by Kings College in London.

Although the U.S. crime rate began declining in the 1990s it is still about the same as in 1973, the JFA report said. But the prison population has soared because sentences have gotten longer and people who violate parole or probation, even with minor lapses, are more likely to be imprisoned.

"The system is almost feeding on itself now. It takes years and years and years to get out of this system and we do not see any positive impact on the crime rates," JFA President James Austin, a co-author of the report, told a news conference.

The report said the prison population is projected to grow by another 192,000 in five years, at a cost of $27.5 billion to build and operate additional prisons.

At current rates, one-third of all black males, one-sixth of Latino males, and one in 17 white males will go to prison during their lives. Women represent the fastest-growing segment of the prison population, the report said.

"The massive incarceration of young males from mostly poor- and working-class neighborhoods, and the taking of women from their families and jobs, has crippled their potential for forming healthy families and achieving economic gains," it said.
 

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I agree with giving the drugees (small time consumers) some slack but no leniency for violent hoodlums ! :nono:

There, just like Ron Paul :bowdown: :angels:
 
^ I agree. Locking up non-violent drug offenders with violent sadomasochistic insane criminals is a barbaric thing to do.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
If criminals weren't pampered then they wouldn't want to go back to prison.

Also, if the death penalty was used we would have less of them around.

I'm not for separate prisons. All criminals in the same prisons. That would deter more crime and scare them straight, if they make it out. ;)
 
^ Obviously you haven't read the article and if you did read it, then you didn't comprehend how your theory is an epic failure that is costing taxpayers alot of money who are only throwing away their money at a problem instead of solving it
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
^ Obviously you haven't read the article and if you did read it, then you didn't comprehend how your theory is an epic failure that is costing taxpayers alot of money who are only throwing away their money at a problem instead of solving it

I did just solve the problem. :hatsoff:

Death penalty and some of the prisoners kill each other like they already do.
Watch Gangland at all? ;)
 

meesterperfect

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I agree with giving the drugees (small time consumers) some slack but no leniency for violent hoodlums ! :nono:

There, just like Ron Paul :bowdown: :angels:

^ I agree. Locking up non-violent drug offenders with violent sadomasochistic insane criminals is a barbaric thing to do.

totally agree.
i havn't read the article yet, gotta get to work.
my basic comment is lack of consistency in the system.
for every person getting too much time for something minor there is one who gets little time for something serious.
example the woman in camden new jersey who recently did 4 years for long term , near death starving 4 adopted kids.
i guess its the fault of the judges, the parole people and perhaps overcrowding in many areas.
the jails empty, give more time, the jails full, let him go.
 
Didn't read the article but I am not surprised by the title at all.
 
How do we get the prison system to work? :dunno:
 
I don't know about decriminalizing all recreational drugs, but at least decriminalize pot. It just makes no sense, and there's pretty broad public support for legalizing it now. I'm not ready to open the floodgates on coke and heroin use, though, and I doubt the rest of the U.S. is either.
 
I don't know about decriminalizing all recreational drugs, but at least decriminalize pot. It just makes no sense, and there's pretty broad public support for legalizing it now. I'm not ready to open the floodgates on coke and heroin use, though, and I doubt the rest of the U.S. is either.

I say legalize it all and lock up those who violate the rights of others. That's all. When you take a harmless criminal, send him into a system full of criminals with criminal knowledge and then release him with a criminal record, options become rather obvious.

But as far as legalizing or decriminalizing pot, sadly the majority still isn't keen on it. Very few politicians are for it, Ron Paul and Barney Frank are two of the very few, but look what happened to Paul; he's now the "pothead candidate" despite the fact that he's never even smoked or advocated weed.
 

meesterperfect

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i stick with my original post.
i have just read the article, my opinion is that its short-sighted.
its basically advocating shorter sentences for all, for the economys sake.
good excuse for passiveness.
if someone has proven that they are a danger to society (which includes you and your family and friends) we have 3 options to protect those people.
kill the criminal, imprison them, or let them go.
which one makes most sense?
i still think its consistency in sentencing that is the unfair thing in the system.
cant blame the system because theres too many scumbags out there that just cant leave others alone.
and most of this i say is the result of the 40+ years of the welfare system which created a large group of people who were born into bad or no familys at all and became thugs, crooks, and killers.
meanwhile the good people, the good familys had/have less children due to the expense, the working too many hours and the huge tax burden they have., hence 2010 USA
 
Redo the Schedule classifications for controlled substances banning only the most dangerous substances and legalize the rest.

Make ex post facto laws and commute the sentences of those convicted of drug charges under old laws, if not expunge the records of all non violent convicts altogether.

Free up prison space for those who need to be there.
 
Redo the Schedule classifications for controlled substances banning only the most dangerous substances and legalize the rest.

Make ex post facto laws and commute the sentences of those convicted of drug charges under old laws, if not expunge the records of all non violent convicts altogether.

Free up prison space for those who need to be there.

Agreed. Maybe they won't have to let out violent offenders and child molesters like they seem to now :thumbsup:
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
I agree with this report by criminal justice experts wh recommend that a major justice-system overhaul is long overdue and in order!

legalize pot and that'll clear a lot of room.
 
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