U.S. Allies In Middle East Frustrated With Obama's Aversion To Regional Conflicts

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From Saudi Arabia to Israel, traditional U.S. allies in the Middle East are beginning to ask: Is America turning its back on us?

President Barack Obama's diplomatic overtures to old foe Iran and his last-minute refusal to attack Syria have officials in Israel, the Gulf countries and Turkey wondering if Washington is deliberately neglecting them to avoid being dragged into a Middle East facing deeper sectarian strife and concerns that Tehran may be seeking a nuclear bomb.

Media reports that the U.S. National Security Agency may have spied on the leaders of Germany, Mexico and Brazil have upset those longtime allies too, adding to the impression in some quarters that Obama has his foreign priorities backward.

But it is in the Middle East where Obama's policy is under harsher scrutiny, especially from Saudi Arabia, which fears a warming of relations between the United States and Riyadh's regional rival Iran.

A senior Saudi prince warned this week that the kingdom could "shift away" from the United States, suggesting a major strategic change after decades of close military and economic cooperation.

Israeli officials say they worry Obama will not take a hard enough line in negotiations with Iran over its nuclear ambitions and might balk at a military attack on Iran just as he backed off from attacking Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in September.

"The United States did a lot of damage to their image by failing to attack Syria," said an Israeli diplomat in Jerusalem.

Allies' concerns about U.S. distaste for deep involvement in the Middle East are heightened by opinion polls showing Americans strongly opposed to intervention in the Syrian civil war. A Reuters/Ipsos survey from Oct. 11 showed only 13 percent of Americans backed U.S. intervention in Syria.


'IT'S A MESS OUT THERE'


The White House denies insinuations from both friends and foes in the Middle East that it does not have the stomach to use force in the region and points to the overthrow of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in 2011.

U.S. officials also caution against underestimating Obama's willingness to use a military option against Iran to prevent it from getting a nuclear weapon.

"It's not as if this is a president who has proven to be unwilling to act when he believed it was in our interest, but he's not going to act when he doesn't think it's in our interest," said Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser.

He said the United States would not begin to lift sanctions against Iran until Tehran shows real progress in nuclear talks.

Washington and its allies believe Iran is developing the ability to make a nuclear weapon, but Tehran says the program is for generating power and medical devices.

But Obama will resist pressure from Saudi Arabia to become more active in Syria where the rebels opposing Assad are coming increasingly under the sway of Islamist militants, some of whom are linked to al Qaeda.

Obama is extremely wary of open-ended U.S. military involvement in the Middle East. His caution is shaped in part by Iraq, Rhodes said.

"I think the Iraq war does bear on our thinking," Rhodes told the Reuters Washington Summit. He said Iraq's slide into sectarian and political chaos "proved the limitations of our influence."

"We had an occupying army of 150,000 people in the country and we weren't able to dictate events in that country over the following several years. So it's not as if that was an advertisement for the ability of military power to dictate outcomes in the Middle East," he said.

Obama's wariness is matched by congressional opposition as well as a war-weariness that most polls show has permeated the American public.

"The president is accurately reflecting a kind of fatigue with the Middle East," said Elliott Abrams, a foreign policy aide under Obama's Republican predecessor, George W. Bush, and a frequent critic of the Democratic president.

Obama, he said, had embraced the view that "it's a mess out there" and that it is best to limit military action largely to drone strikes in places like Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.


SAUDIS SMARTING

Saudi Arabia is still smarting over what it says were promises by the United States that it would strike Assad - a close ally of Iran - for using chemical weapons against civilians.

"What we are doing seriously is to scare the Americans to make them wake up. They can't make promises to us and then not implement those promises. It's going to cost them," said a Saudi analyst close to the thinking of the kingdom's rulers.

Obama cut long-standing ally Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak adrift during huge street protests in 2011, raising red flags with both Israel and Saudi Arabia.

U.S. officials see the recent Saudi threat to distance itself from Washington as mostly rhetoric. There has been no sign the Saudis want to scale back or close U.S. military installations, including a base used to launch drones against militants in neighboring Yemen.

Large strides in U.S. oil output helped by "fracking" technology make America less dependent on Saudi Arabia and other Gulf crude producers. But if Saudi Arabia decides to translate its anger over U.S. policy into action, it could make life more difficult for Washington.

Saudi Arabia could be less helpful in filling the gap in global oil supplies - and keeping prices under control - to make up for lower Iranian exports caused by Obama's drive for international sanctions.

Saudi Arabia could also supply more advanced weapons to radical Islamists fighting to overthrow Assad, giving them an advantage in firepower over moderate Western-backed rebels.

Apart from trying to smooth over relations with Saudi Arabia and Israel, the White House is struggling to head off complaints from Europe and Latin America that the NSA monitored leaders' communications.

Those complaints stem from media reports based on classified documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

"It is a challenging situation," Rhodes said. "Country by country, we're just going to have to address diplomatically what the concerns are that arise."

Despite the anger of individual leaders like German Chancellor Angela Merkel who suspects her cell phone was bugged, governments recognize that even some allies spy on each other. So the diplomatic fallout from the surveillance scandals is unlikely to last long.

"At the moment, there is not real damage done to relations," said a senior EU diplomat, citing common interests with the United States in trade talks, Afghanistan and the Middle East.

More worrying is Obama's handling of the Middle East, as well as distraction at home from constant budget battles with Republicans, the diplomat said.

"U.S. foreign policy is in serious problems, not only because of the NSA. That Obama could not go to Asia because of domestic problems left a disastrous impression in some ASEAN countries where China is increasing its influence," he said, referring to Obama's cancellation of a trip to Southeast Asia this month because of the U.S. fiscal crisis.

Germany will send its top intelligence chiefs to Washington next week to seek answers from the White House on the Merkel phone-tapping reports.


Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We deal with Saddam Hussein, we're interferring. We leave Syria alone and actually try to talk to Iran and not at them, we're not interferring enough. Fuck 'em. Let them deal with their own problems, let them kill each other off. Every time I read a story about another car bombing in Iraq, the first thing I think is, "Whoever got killed, it wasn't us."
 
"Whoever got killed, it wasn't us."

Funny! Whenever someone wishes a pulmonary embolism on me, I instantly have the same sentiments as in the above quote toward them. But I am not as generous as you hoping for natural causes. I generally wish for the heartwarming decapitation of being hit by an 18 wheeler at 80 mph. The kind that makes a state trooper weak kneed.
 
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Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We deal with Saddam Hussein, we're interferring. We leave Syria alone and actually try to talk to Iran and not at them, we're not interferring enough. Fuck 'em. Let them deal with their own problems, let them kill each other off. Every time I read a story about another car bombing in Iraq, the first thing I think is, "Whoever got killed, it wasn't us."

Syria and Iran still have central banks that are not completely under the control of the mega bank conglomerates and this will have to change eventually and to the detriment of the people
 
so why Obama recieved a Nobel prize then when he never achieved or concluded any single peace talk?
 
so why Obama recieved a Nobel prize then when he never achieved or concluded any single peace talk?

many do not consider the strike on Libya to be part of war, most labeled it a military action, I say BS, many people died, are still dying and the current regime is a nightmare from what I have read, seen and heard, Gaddafi was a dictator but many people under his reign were happier than they are now, Gaddafi was getting his people free education, free housing to newly weds among other benefits and his plans to turn the surrounding desert green with his water projects would have created many new jobs and would have been very good for his people, Gaddafi was attempting to build Libya's living standards higher and higher, however the mistake he made was that he did not want to take dollars as payment for his oils shipments anymore and that is a BIG no no as I have stated in past posts, and notice the first action taken when the "rebels" took over was the establishment of the central bank of Libya SMH
 

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In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
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Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We deal with Saddam Hussein, we're interferring. We leave Syria alone and actually try to talk to Iran and not at them, we're not interferring enough. Fuck 'em. Let them deal with their own problems, let them kill each other off. Every time I read a story about another car bombing in Iraq, the first thing I think is, "Whoever got killed, it wasn't us."

Well lets face it, they're really no different then us, in the sense that, they have hard core political sides. One side wants us there, the other wants us out...the one that wants us there, wants us to do their dirty work, and obviously the other side wants us to let them run amok...especially on Israel. We can't win, because, we literally can't win! The only reason we give Israel all of that money, is to keep them on a leash. The worst part is, we actually created all of this bullshit after WWII, when we divided the area up. These people fight for fun, if we were gone, it would be the Jews, and if they were gone, it would be the other sects of islam. They fight, for fun...it's their Saturday night at the movies. We should let them have at it, we should turn our back on everyone of them, and let them kill each other, then stroll in and take the oil.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
The US has only one real ally in the region; Israel. And President Stompyfoot has done his best to alienate and marginalize them.
 

Mayhem

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Funny! Whenever someone wishes a pulmonary embolism on me, I instantly have the same sentiments as in the above quote toward them. But I am not as generous as you hoping for natural causes. I generally wish for the heartwarming decapitation of being hit by an 18 wheeler at 80 mph. The kind that makes a state trooper weak kneed.

Don't forget the pliers....and what a hardcore. trained assassin you are with them.
 

Mayhem

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The US has only one real ally in the region; Israel. And President Stompyfoot has done his best to alienate and marginalize them.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, when I'm not hearing about how anti-Israel Obama is, I'm hearing about how pro-Israel he is. And each time, it's by somebody who is pissed about it.
 
isreal is a big part of the problem in the middle east. everyone is afraid to say it but they have been tough to deal with all along.

Arabs are far worse, a lot of them were serving in the waffen ss ranks during WWII http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_Legion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeri_SS_Volunteer_Formations. Israel has been attacked by Arabs many times and has handed out the arabs asses many times. Even in Europe, Arabs and their religion cause problems wherever they are whether it is in France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, UK, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Russia, Danemark, Austria, Belgium and the baltic republics. Jews are generally well integrated in any society where they are living in and aren't healthcare and social security leech offs unlike Arabs who have 4 or 5 children and who don't even fucking work. The ones who often have problems with the justice in the european countries are Arabs.
 
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, when I'm not hearing about how anti-Israel Obama is, I'm hearing about how pro-Israel he is. And each time, it's by somebody who is pissed about it.
I am of the same opinion than Ace Boob. Obama likes to put pressure on Israel and sucks the Saudian King's dick
 
The US has only one real ally in the region; Israel. And President Stompyfoot has done his best to alienate and marginalize them.

Exactly. I remember the images on 9/11 of Israelis mourning and paying their condolences at the U.S. embassy and palestinians celebrating in the streets.


isreal is a big part of the problem in the middle east. everyone is afraid to say it but they have been tough to deal with all along.

Israel is the problem inasmuch as they exist. Let's face it, that is THE problem with Israel as far as the arab world is concerned, it continues to exist. What exactly does Israel have to do to achieve peace with the palestinians and it's arab neighbors? Make concessions and give up land? Like they did in Gaza? After Israel abandoned Gaza as a concession in the interest of peace what did the palestinians do? After desecrating jewish grave sites and electing Hamas (a terrorist organization) as their government they lobbed continuous rocket barrages into Israel proper. Would the United States tolerate rocket barrages into San Diego from Mexico? (current administration excluded).

Here's a simple thought exercise. If Israel's enemies laid down their arms and declared peace with Israel there would be peace, TODAY. If Israel declared peace by laying down it's arms and giving up the West Bank and the Golan Heights as a goodwill gesture there would be no Israel. See 1948.
 
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