TWA Flight 800 Investigators Say Official Crash Story Is a Lie

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
A new film claims the official government report on the crash of TWA Flight 800 in 1996 is an elaborate fabrication, but the most shocking part of the story is that charges are being leveled by some of the very investigators who put the report together. Six experts who appear in the film were members of the National Transportation Safety Board investigation team that concluded the crash was an accident, but they now claim they were silenced by their superiors. The movies, "TWA Flight 800" will debut on EPIX TV next month, on the 17-year anniversary of the crash.

TWA Flight 800 was en route from JFK Airport in New York to Paris, France, when it exploded and crashed off the coast of Long Island, killing all 230 people on board. From the very beginning, there were some who speculated that the plane was the victim of a terrorist attack, leading the FBI to conduct its own criminal investigation. Among the possibilities that were suggested as the cause were a bomb in the cargo hold, or an anti-aircraft missile. Several witnesses even claimed they saw an object or streak of light that looked liked a missile or rocket moving toward the plane before it exploded.

The final NTSB reported said that faulty wiring connected to a central fuel tank caused a blast that destroyed the fuesalage, however, there were still many skeptics and conspiracy theorists who have long doubted that official story. In one particularly famous example, Pierre Salinger, a former Press Secretary for President John Kennedy and reporter for ABC News, claimed he'd seen proof that the U.S. Navy shot down the plane and then covered it up.

Now, those theories are likely to get a new airing, thanks to accident investigators who worked on the TWA 800 case, but say they were not allowed to speak up at the time of the official report. The experts include NTSB and TWA accident investigators, who say they are only able to speak up now that they are retired. According their statements in the film, they believe the official explanation is wrong and the damage was caused by an explosion that came from outside the plane.

The filmmakers won't speculate on what could have caused such an explosion, and haven't yet offered up evidence to support their theory (you'll have to watch on July 17), but they are asking the NTSB to re-open the investigation. Whether or not that happens, or even if a follow-up reaches the same conclusions as the original, this new film will ensure that the alternate theories and claims up a cover will probably never be put to rest.

Link is here:

http://news.yahoo.com/twa-flight-800-investigators-claim-official-crash-story-120157562.html

I never believed the official story from the start so I will be watching this story unfold with great interest. Airliners just don't spontaneously explode. This expose will carry great credibility since the actual investigators who were involved at the time are the ones who are leveling the accusations. Did the US Navy shoot down this plane? Did the US government order a cover-up? :dunno:
 
I always suspected that it was a terrorist attack but never really faulted the Clinton Administration for "covering this up"

I assumed that if it was an anti-aircraft missile that they had put safeguards in place to prevent it from happening in the future and that they were forced to say that it was something else because to the American public the thought of a random missile taking out airliners would have destroyed the airline industry. I was critical of the Clinton Administration but I never thought that if they did sugar coat this thing... that it was some great conspiracy..just something that they felt they had to do.

I dunno.
 
Indeed, very interesting. Good info, Jagger. Here's another.

About once a month over the course of his presidency, Bill Clinton would unburden himself to Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Taylor Branch.

Last year, Branch published the taped revelations, heavily edited and embellished with his own commentary, in an overpraised but useful volume called “The Clinton Tapes.”

I say “overpraised” because anyone who knows the underside of the Clinton White House can see how Branch allowed, even encouraged, Clinton to spin a selectively remembered, self-absolving account of his presidency.

I say “useful” because every now and then Branch caught up with Clinton before the White House has had a chance to shape the narrative.

For instance, Branch scheduled a visit with Clinton for the night of April 19, 1995. Earlier that day, a truck bomb took out the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, most of them federal workers.

Clinton shocked Branch by keeping his appointment. The two old friends talked for hours. The phrase “painful loss” came up between them only in reference to the Arkansas defeat in the NCAA basketball tournament.

Get Jack Cashill’s groundbreaking exposé, “First Strike: TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America”

Clinton spent but a few minutes on Oklahoma City. The reader learns that the only person Clinton spoke to at the scene was Oklahoma’s “right-wing Republican” governor, Frank Keating. That’s it.

Branch returned to a more cheerful White House a month later. He opens this chapter with a revealing sentence: “Oklahoma City did not lead overseas as President Clinton had feared, but domestic terror did spawn confusion and denial.”

This translates: Clinton did not want the investigation to lead overseas especially when he could exploit the two white, right-wing suspects – Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols – for all their political capital.

All politics aside, military action unnerved Clinton. According to the FBI’s James Fox, Clinton’s Justice Department stopped the 1993 World Trade Center bombing investigation at “the water’s edge” lest the facts lead to war.

The “water’s edge” is where the Oklahoma City investigation would stop, too. Although the search was allegedly still on for the world’s most wanted man, John Doe No. 2 – the “foreign looking” suspect multiple witnesses saw with McVeigh – Clinton Justice was not really looking.

By this time, the FBI now knew that Nichols had made several inexplicable trips to the Philippines, home base of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef.

Said Clinton anti-terror czar Richard Clarke about the connection, “We do know that Nichols’ bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned.”

No matter. Clinton had an election to win in 1996, and no messy foreign involvement – no Somalia, no Haiti, no Bosnia, no al-Qaida – was going to bog him down.

Fate intervened again on July 17, 1996, when TWA Flight 800 exploded off the coast of Long Island, killing all 230 people aboard. Branch met with Clinton on Aug. 2, two weeks after the disaster. The Clinton White House was still searching for a narrative.

“Unless some telltale chemical survived the brine,” Clinton told Branch, “[the investigators] must try to reassemble the plane to determine the cause.”

During that Aug. 2 taping, Clinton also told Branch that the FBI was “rechecking” its interviews with “some 15 ground witnesses who saw a bright streak in the sky near the plane.” If corroborated, Branch adds, this “could suggest a missile rather than a bomb.”

In fact, the FBI had by this time interviewed at least 200 eyewitnesses who had seen a bright streak ascending towards the doomed airliner. Many provided precise illustrations. A few detailed the exact break-up sequence of the 747.

In addition, analysts from the DIA’s Missile and Space Intelligence Center had arrived on the scene two days after the explosion and begun interviewing eyewitnesses.

“They reported to us,” the FBI’s Lewis Schiliro would later testify, “that many of the descriptions given by eyewitnesses were very consistent with the characteristics of the flight of [surface-to-air] missiles.”

This would go nowhere. From night one, the Clintons – Hillary was alone with her husband and Sandy Berger in the family quarters – knew what happened to TWA Flight 800.

For posterity’s sake, Clinton traced the likely attack to Iran.

“They want war,” Branch quotes Clinton as saying. What Branch did not know is that Clinton was setting up his alibi.

On Aug. 2, 1996, Clinton had yet to get the investigation under his full control. If telltale chemicals were not found, perhaps the eyewitness testimony could be marginalized. This seems to be the plan.

If so, the investigators could “reassemble the plane,” and that Potemkin dumb show would take the investigation past the November election.

Unfortunately for Clinton, the FBI found “telltale” residue of the explosives PETN and RDX throughout the plane, and the New York Times reported the same.

The Aug. 23 Times headline story – “Prime Evidence Found That Device Exploded in Cabin of Flight 800″ – stole the thunder from Clinton’s election-driven approval of welfare reform in that same day’s paper.

The revelation also threatened to undermine the peace and prosperity message of the next week’s Democratic convention. It could not stand.

It did not. The Times revelations of Aug. 23 marked the end of any real investigation. The White House prevailed on FBI honcho James Kallstrom to ignore the undeniable missile evidence and “reassemble the plane.”

More than a year later, an uneasy Kallstrom would write the explosion off as a mechanical failure.

I suspect Clinton told Kallstrom what he told Branch: Iran wants war. If we acknowledge a missile attack, we will have to go to war. For national security purposes, we cannot let that happen.

Kallstrom, I believe, has been tortured by his submission ever since. “We need to stop the hypocrisy,” he blurted out to Dan Rather on Sept. 11 before catching himself. “Not that hypocrisy got us to this day. I’m not saying it did.”

Fifteen years later, save for those involved, we still do not know for sure who shot down TWA Flight 800. As at the World Trade Center, as in Oklahoma City, the Taylor Branches of the world did not want to know.

Read at http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/321853/#D1rJ0VqgBYbTrGwt.99
 
I will say something else. This happened in the heat of his re-election campaign and just a few weeks before the conventions. I hope that if it was a terrorist attack that the motivation to cover it up was not because of the election.
 

Philbert

Banned
Not like Benghazi...

Remember "FailSafe"?
I wonder if it took 7 years to repay Iran for our shooting down an Airbus in 1988?
 
Not like Benghazi...

Remember "FailSafe"?
I wonder if it took 7 years to repay Iran for our shooting down an Airbus in 1988?

This flick really affected me as a kid.

Dr. Strangelove had a lot of humor in it and was easily dismissible. Fail-Safe seemed very possible and scared the bejeezus out of me.

 
Indeed, very interesting. Good info, Jagger. Here's another.

About once a month over the course of his presidency, Bill Clinton would unburden himself to Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Taylor Branch.

Last year, Branch published the taped revelations, heavily edited and embellished with his own commentary, in an overpraised but useful volume called “The Clinton Tapes.”

I say “overpraised” because anyone who knows the underside of the Clinton White House can see how Branch allowed, even encouraged, Clinton to spin a selectively remembered, self-absolving account of his presidency.

I say “useful” because every now and then Branch caught up with Clinton before the White House has had a chance to shape the narrative.

For instance, Branch scheduled a visit with Clinton for the night of April 19, 1995. Earlier that day, a truck bomb took out the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, most of them federal workers.

Clinton shocked Branch by keeping his appointment. The two old friends talked for hours. The phrase “painful loss” came up between them only in reference to the Arkansas defeat in the NCAA basketball tournament.

Get Jack Cashill’s groundbreaking exposé, “First Strike: TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America”

Clinton spent but a few minutes on Oklahoma City. The reader learns that the only person Clinton spoke to at the scene was Oklahoma’s “right-wing Republican” governor, Frank Keating. That’s it.

Branch returned to a more cheerful White House a month later. He opens this chapter with a revealing sentence: “Oklahoma City did not lead overseas as President Clinton had feared, but domestic terror did spawn confusion and denial.”

This translates: Clinton did not want the investigation to lead overseas especially when he could exploit the two white, right-wing suspects – Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols – for all their political capital.

All politics aside, military action unnerved Clinton. According to the FBI’s James Fox, Clinton’s Justice Department stopped the 1993 World Trade Center bombing investigation at “the water’s edge” lest the facts lead to war.

The “water’s edge” is where the Oklahoma City investigation would stop, too. Although the search was allegedly still on for the world’s most wanted man, John Doe No. 2 – the “foreign looking” suspect multiple witnesses saw with McVeigh – Clinton Justice was not really looking.

By this time, the FBI now knew that Nichols had made several inexplicable trips to the Philippines, home base of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef.

Said Clinton anti-terror czar Richard Clarke about the connection, “We do know that Nichols’ bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned.”

No matter. Clinton had an election to win in 1996, and no messy foreign involvement – no Somalia, no Haiti, no Bosnia, no al-Qaida – was going to bog him down.

Fate intervened again on July 17, 1996, when TWA Flight 800 exploded off the coast of Long Island, killing all 230 people aboard. Branch met with Clinton on Aug. 2, two weeks after the disaster. The Clinton White House was still searching for a narrative.

“Unless some telltale chemical survived the brine,” Clinton told Branch, “[the investigators] must try to reassemble the plane to determine the cause.”

During that Aug. 2 taping, Clinton also told Branch that the FBI was “rechecking” its interviews with “some 15 ground witnesses who saw a bright streak in the sky near the plane.” If corroborated, Branch adds, this “could suggest a missile rather than a bomb.”

In fact, the FBI had by this time interviewed at least 200 eyewitnesses who had seen a bright streak ascending towards the doomed airliner. Many provided precise illustrations. A few detailed the exact break-up sequence of the 747.

In addition, analysts from the DIA’s Missile and Space Intelligence Center had arrived on the scene two days after the explosion and begun interviewing eyewitnesses.

“They reported to us,” the FBI’s Lewis Schiliro would later testify, “that many of the descriptions given by eyewitnesses were very consistent with the characteristics of the flight of [surface-to-air] missiles.”

This would go nowhere. From night one, the Clintons – Hillary was alone with her husband and Sandy Berger in the family quarters – knew what happened to TWA Flight 800.

For posterity’s sake, Clinton traced the likely attack to Iran.

“They want war,” Branch quotes Clinton as saying. What Branch did not know is that Clinton was setting up his alibi.

On Aug. 2, 1996, Clinton had yet to get the investigation under his full control. If telltale chemicals were not found, perhaps the eyewitness testimony could be marginalized. This seems to be the plan.

If so, the investigators could “reassemble the plane,” and that Potemkin dumb show would take the investigation past the November election.

Unfortunately for Clinton, the FBI found “telltale” residue of the explosives PETN and RDX throughout the plane, and the New York Times reported the same.

The Aug. 23 Times headline story – “Prime Evidence Found That Device Exploded in Cabin of Flight 800″ – stole the thunder from Clinton’s election-driven approval of welfare reform in that same day’s paper.

The revelation also threatened to undermine the peace and prosperity message of the next week’s Democratic convention. It could not stand.

It did not. The Times revelations of Aug. 23 marked the end of any real investigation. The White House prevailed on FBI honcho James Kallstrom to ignore the undeniable missile evidence and “reassemble the plane.”

More than a year later, an uneasy Kallstrom would write the explosion off as a mechanical failure.

I suspect Clinton told Kallstrom what he told Branch: Iran wants war. If we acknowledge a missile attack, we will have to go to war. For national security purposes, we cannot let that happen.

Kallstrom, I believe, has been tortured by his submission ever since. “We need to stop the hypocrisy,” he blurted out to Dan Rather on Sept. 11 before catching himself. “Not that hypocrisy got us to this day. I’m not saying it did.”

Fifteen years later, save for those involved, we still do not know for sure who shot down TWA Flight 800. As at the World Trade Center, as in Oklahoma City, the Taylor Branches of the world did not want to know.

Read at http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/321853/#D1rJ0VqgBYbTrGwt.99

And Nixon was not a crook. Dude they all suck every last mother son of them is owned by someone else.
 

Fairpoint

Banned
Clinton spent but a few minutes on Oklahoma City. The reader learns that the only person Clinton spoke to at the scene was Oklahoma’s “right-wing Republican” governor, Frank Keating. That’s it.

An out and out bullshit lie which makes everything else you fahted and barfed out in this post also a bullshit lie. Clinton spent hours in Oklahoma City after the bombing including speaking for nearly an hour at the memorial service for the victims.

You are lying filth.

You are scum.
 

Philbert

Banned
An out and out bullshit lie which makes everything else you fahted and barfed out in this post also a bullshit lie. Clinton spent hours in Oklahoma City after the bombing including speaking for nearly an hour at the memorial service for the victims.

You are lying filth.

You are scum.

You are a low reading skill idiot...who's not afraid to show it.
All the article (not the op, the article's author) said is that after the Ok visit Clinton spoke to historian Taylor Branch on different subjects, only spending a few minutes on the subject of the bombing.
He addressed people at a crowd at the Memorial, not spoke to investigators or gov't officials. All the article claims is Clinton spoke only to Gov Keating for his info gathering.

Calling the internet names is curiously dumb, as is yelling at an author who will never read what you wrote, ass backwards as it is.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Sounds similar to that Italian airliner which "went down" and the filthy lazy hypocritical bastards, sorry, I mean the Italians, were convinced that it was the yanks.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Sounds similar to that Italian airliner which "went down" and the filthy lazy hypocritical bastards, sorry, I mean the Italians, were convinced that it was the yanks.

Which one was that? Alitalia has never had a crash anywhere near US soil. You're not thinking of Swissair #111 that went down off Nova Scotia in 1998?? :dunno:
 
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