Trump is now selling arms to terrorists

Trump called Qatar a terror sponsor. He sold them fighter jets 5 days later.


It wasn’t an “I’m sorry” gift by any means, but it might as well have been one.


The tiny Persian Gulf nation of Qatar is embroiled in a massive diplomatic crisis with Saudi Arabia and other close US allies. The Trump administration openly accuses it of sponsoring terrorism. So why did Washington just finalize a $12 billion arms deal that could give Qatar some of the most powerful military fighter jets on the planet?

The deal was in the works for a while — it’s actually part of a larger $21 billion agreement made back in November 2016, in the waning weeks of the Obama administration. This portion of the pact, a $12 billion deal for 36 F-15 planes, was signed by Defense Secretary James Mattis on Wednesday so contracting actions could begin.

The move is particularly striking because it comes while the Trump administration publicly struggles to figure out how to handle the wealthy nation, which houses one of the largest American military bases in the Middle East but also maintains ties to groups like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Those ties, in turn, have sparked one of the biggest diplomatic standoffs in the Middle East in decades. On June 5, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain cut ties to the country and closed all land, sea, and air borders with it. (Four other countries, including Yemen, the Maldives, Mauritania, and Comoros, quickly followed suit.) They did so in part because Riyadh claims Doha’s backing of terrorist groups like ISIS are stronger than it lets on, and so Qatar’s neighbors wanted to send a strong message.

It’s a belief that Trump seems to share. “The nation of Qatar, unfortunately, has historically been a funder of terrorism at a very high level,” Trump said on June 9 in the Rose Garden. “We have to stop the funding of terrorism.”

Based on Trump’s comments, it seemed he agreed with Saudi Arabia and company. Now it’s not so clear, and it’s confusing seasoned leaders in this area.

“The mixed messages the administration is sending on many national security issues is baffling,” Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA), a member of tbe Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committees, said in an interview.

Kaine’s discomfiture is fair. Sending a bunch of warplanes to Qatar doesn’t, on its face, seem like the most effective way for Trump to convey that he’s willing to go to the mat with the country over its terror ties.

Which isn’t to say that the deal doesn’t make sense by the twisted logic of US Middle East policy.
The US and Qatar have an unbelievably complicated relationship

Trump’s hardline rhetoric toward Qatar had the potential for serious real-world repercussions for the Pentagon. Qatar hosts the vitally important Al Udeid airbase, where some 10,000 US troops reside. It’s the nerve center of the fight against ISIS, so US defense officials have a different view of Qatar’s utility. After Trump’s comments, the Pentagon expressed its gratitude for Qatar’s partnership in the region.

Some veteran diplomats said the weapons deal could right a relationship that has looked like it might go off the rails at any time.

“This is an excellent time to make the sale,” Chase Untermeyer, US ambassador to Qatar from 2004 to 2007, stated in an interview. “There is nothing that more elegantly speaks to the fact that Qatar is a functional ally of the United States than the sales.”

The problem is that it’s not clear that all of the Trump administration actually feels that way. Just one hour before Trump lambasted Qatar on June 9, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called for the Saudi-led bloc to ease the blockade and bring the standoff to an end. “Our expectation is that these countries will immediately take steps to de-escalate the situation,” he said.

A State Department official told the Washington Post’s Josh Rogin that Tillerson’s stance toward the country is the one being followed in the building — not Trump’s. “The policy that is being worked is the Tillerson policy, Trump’s comments notwithstanding,” said the official.

So even if Trump wants to punish Qatar, it seems State and DOD have different views on this issue, and are taking active measures to ensure the relationship with Qatar stays relatively stable.

Selling planes to Qatar — something that had long been planned — is definitely a way to make Qatar happy, as the tweet from its ambassador to the US shows. The weapons sale wasn’t meant as an “I’m sorry” gift by any means, but it might as well have been one.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/16/15810998/trump-qatar-arms-sale-plane-f15


WTF ?! An administration in which the Secretary of State doesn't share the same view as the president on such essential issues as terroring funding countrie and how to deal with them ?
Qatar maybe the one issues on which I agree with Trump (but he seems to consider saudi arabia as a key ally, even thought Saudi Arabia funds DAECH, just like Qatar...)

Also, even if the deal was set by the Obama administration, I guess Trump could have repealed it, just like he plans to repeal the Iran deal. But he didn't. He agreed on selling F-15 to a country he accuses of sponsoring terror ::clap:
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
it’s actually part of a larger $21 billion agreement made back in November 2016, in the waning weeks of the Obama administration.
Fuck you, Pepe Lepew.
 
I am not a big fan of selling arms anywhere in the middle east until the region is stabilized.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
I am not a big fan of selling arms anywhere in the middle east until the region is stabilized.

Yeah like it was for thousands of years before the USA even existed.
Without getting into it too deep, the entire reason for flooding the whole region is to keep it destabilized.
Well that and for the members of the Big Club to get richer and richer.
Not that just giving them tons of weapons will cause chaos.
But when you pay men a few grand a day to grow beards and use the weapons against mostly civilians thats where you get some chaos.


Buy the weigh, when the US sells hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons every year does that help the People of the US?
Does it decrease the debt, lower our taxes, help education or medical programs, give towns and cities clean water, ect ect ect ect ect?
Does it help We The Peasants at all?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yemen?src=hash
 
Jeez Johan I guess you better go to your room.
The depth and substance of the replies to your OP just shredded it all to pieces.

:rolleyes:
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
The lack of depth and substance of his OP shredded it all to pieces.
 
The piece doesn't need depth : it just states facts :

1) Trump called Qatar a terror sponsor
2) 5 days after, his administration sold fighter-jets to Qatar
3) Secretary of State Rex Tillerson ased Saudi Arabia to ease their blocade on Qatar, which they enacted because Qatar funds Daech


Now if you can explain why this administration would sell fighter-jets to a country they called a terror sponsor, I'm interested...
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I am not a big fan of selling arms anywhere in the middle east until the region is stabilized.

I don't think we should really sell them to anyone. I realize we do have some trusted allies, but most of them have technology also, and do alright with thier own shit.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Buy the weigh, when the US sells hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons every year does that help the People of the US?
Does it decrease the debt, lower our taxes, help education or medical programs, give towns and cities clean water, ect ect ect ect ect?
Does it help We The Peasants at all?

I don't think we should really sell them to anyone. I realize we do have some trusted allies, but most of them have technology also, and do alright with thier own shit.

I'm with the meester on this. There is a demand for the product. It's a worldwide industry with many nations involved. Competition for sales. USA does a great job of building this stuff. Jobs in technology and assembly and production materials. We are not doing this without being paid.
 
selling arms to our close allies are germane for maintaining peace and stability in the world. We just need to be careful about who we are selling to.
 
selling arms to our close allies are germane for maintaining peace and stability in the world. We just need to be careful about who we are selling to.

The problem is that, in the Middle East, there are very few countries you would consider trustworthy allies. Most of the time, to fight a country or a terror group threatening western interests in the region, the options are :
- Selling arms to a country who's now an ally but might turn on you in the future
- Do it yourself (we've seen the results in Iraq)
- Do nothing (this is how Daech took control of half of Iraq and half of Syria in a few monthes)

I don't blame Trump for selling arms to Qatar, I blame him for his lack of consistency, for selling arm to a country he called a terror sponsor 5 days before.
Make up your mind, man, this country is either an ally to whom you can sell arms or an enemy to whom you shouldn't.
 
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