Timw to protect schools by arming the teachers!

[BlkHawk]

The NRA is correct the only way to prevent mass shootings in school is to arm the teachers. Here are two examples in action:

Idaho teacher shoots self in foot with his own concealed carry hand gun while teaching chemistry:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-state-university-teacher-accidentally-shoots-self-in-class/

Utah teacher shoots toilet while using the bathroom, ricochet bullet and porcelain wound her leg, also licensed concelaed carry:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29168777

Boy do I feel safe! :hatsoff: NRA!

 

[thatbigsecret]

2 more school shootings today alone...I prefer to have my option to defend myself. Not everyone does and I'm OK with that.

 

[Johan]

Give guns to teachers and I guarantee yo that not a month will pass before one of them looses it and shoot a student.

 

[Bribi1]

Oh yeah, the classic solution to all problems: guns.
Maybe if guns were harder to get in the US there wouldn't be so many school shootings...
It's weird because elsewhere, where guns just aren't given in Happy Meals, there are so much less school shootings (if any at all).
I wonder why is that... probably because teachers have shotguns :laugh:

 

[Supafly]

Oh yeah, the classic solution to all problems: guns.
Maybe if guns were harder to get in the US there wouldn't be so many school shootings...
It's weird because elsewhere, where guns just aren't given in Happy Meals, there are so much less school shootings (if any at all).
I wonder why is that... probably because teachers have shotguns :laugh:

I second that. Too many arms, too easy to get by anyone, regardless of level of stupidity and/or insanity

 

[EggMcMoofin]

In order to make money, the gun industry, gun sellers, and ammo makers have to be able to sell their product. The parties involved will never ever support any restrictions on firearms and would prefer that criminals and those with ill intent be armed so that it will show those who have guns and those who do not a reason to buy guns and ammo. It's simple economics.

 

[Johan]

In order to make money, the gun industry, gun sellers, and ammo makers have to be able to sell their product. The parties involved will never ever support any restrictions on firearms and would prefer that criminals and those with ill intent be armed so that it will show those who have guns and those who do not a reason to buy guns and ammo. It's simple economics.

Exactly. To make it simple : More guns = more crimes = more guns, etc...

It is that simple. And the proof of it is that Japan, that had a very tough gun lesgislation (basically, civilians are forbidden to own any ki,d of firearm), has a very low crime rate : 0.2/100.000 inhabitants.

The guy who recently trespass in the WH lawn was carrying a knife. No victims. I guess there would have been some victims if had a ugn.

 

[Rey C.]

Words on a piece of paper (more laws when we can't/won't enforce the laws we already have) won't fix the problem. And arming a bunch of people with no crowd control, combat or police training and putting them in an environment where they'd need those skills in a violent situation with mass hysteria would be equally naive.

 

[Will E Worm]

The NRA is correct the only way to prevent mass shootings in school is to arm the teachers. Here are two examples in action:

Idaho teacher shoots self in foot with his own concealed carry hand gun while teaching chemistry:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-state-university-teacher-accidentally-shoots-self-in-class/

Utah teacher shoots toilet while using the bathroom, ricochet bullet and porcelain wound her leg, also licensed concelaed carry:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29168777

Boy do I feel safe! :hatsoff: NRA!

Who said this would be perfect?


When has anything ever been perfect?

Give guns to teachers and I guarantee yo that not a month will pass before one of them looses it and shoot a student.

Then you're saying teachers need a mental test before they can teach?

 

[DP_LOVER]

^ at no point did he say it would be perfect. Try reading that again.

And if you are going to insist on allowing just about anyone to own a firearm then i think it is perfectly reasonable to have them sit some kind of competency test to check that they are suitable to carry one. Including teachers (but once again Johan did not even suggest this)

The whole gun law in America is insane. Those who cling to the holy second amendment seem to forget that it was written hundreds of years ago and that times have moved on. If you reduced the number of guns and make access to them more difficult then cases of violent crime and death fro firearms will drop. It really is as simple as that. No one is saying that there will suddenly be no more killings, but there would be, and this is the importnat word here, a REDUCTION in the number of shootings.

No pro-gun supporter can seriously claim that the US does not have a problem with gun crime, the number speak for themselves.We had a similar law here in the UK whereby citizens have a right to bare arms, but it is tightly regulated and monitored, and guess what... we have a far lower rate of people killed using firearms. Funny that isn't it?

 

[Johan]

Then you're saying teachers need a mental test before they can teach?

I say teachers are people and people can (and do) snap.

The whole gun law in America is insane. Those who cling to the holy second amendment seem to forget that it was written hundreds of years ago and that times have moved on.

At a time where the community was looking after each other and making sure that the village idiots do not had access to guns. Now, people don't care about anyone but themselves and nobody looks after the village idiot.
Actualy, the NRA makes sure that the village idiots have access to guns so that the rest of the community get scared and buy more guns to protect themselves from the village idiots.

 

[DP_LOVER]

The power that the NRA seem to hold over the government is frightening considering the small number of members they have and who are essentially a bunch of fan boys who get hard over automatic weapons

 

[BlkHawk]

Words on a piece of paper (more laws when we can't/won't enforce the laws we already have) won't fix the problem. And arming a bunch of people with no crowd control, combat or police training and putting them in an environment where they'd need those skills in a violent situation with mass hysteria would be equally naive.

Once again I find myself in agreement with Rey (we've got to stop doing this). The point of the thread was to show how silly it is to believe the issue can be resolved with a quick sound-bite. Both sides plus the middle need to stop pointing fingers, and work together on the parts we all agree on. Nobody wants the severely mentally ill to be armed, or violent felons. If you want a handgun for defense fine, but you have to take a course, and refresher courses to get, and keep firearms. You have to at least show you can take a shit without shooting yourself, or others.

Now why all sides can't work together, and use compromise to create a better system I don't know. It's like a bunch of two year olds convinced it has to be all, or nothing rather then meeting in the middle for the shit we agree on.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

The power that the NRA seem to hold over the government is frightening considering the small number of members they have and who are essentially a bunch of fan boys who get hard over automatic weapons

As a proud card carrying, lifetime member of the NRA, first let me say, go fuck yourself. Now that we have that out of the way, lets be clear, most members of the NRA, do not own automatic weapons, most of them are hunters, or sportsmen, that want to be kept updated on which of the elected employees they've entrusted with their precious Constitutional rights, are trying to usurp, and destroy, said rights. You don't like guns, don't buy one, just keep your fucking grubby little mits off of mine. Another thing you likely don't realize is, "The Gun Owners of America", do more to protect and preserve then the NRA...they just aren't always sticking their paws out, for a donation. Oh, and I belong to that fine organization as well. I have a better idea, why don't we just get some Secret Service agents, and put them in every school...just like the politicians have for their kids? I pay taxes, my life, and the life of my family is no less important then that of any elected official...especially one whose salary is paid in part by my taxes. Lets get Federal agents to protect the schools. They're well trained, responsible, and we already pay for them. We can offset the cost, by cutting the number of agents used to protect retired presidents, and we can cut down on the number that watch current politicians, and spread them around a little more thinly....most politicians carry. Like pelosi, you know her, the one that doesn't think anyones life is valuable enough to have a firearm to protect themselves, but has security, and a license to carry.

Oh, and one more thing, the NRA isn't even close to the top of the power list, that goes to MADD....still a lot of drunk drivers though...a lot of them are cops and politicians. And big oil, big pharmaceutical....legally prescribed medications, and medical negligence kills more people then guns...so do drunk drivers. Just ask ted kennedy...oh wait, he's dead...probably from all of the booze he drank. Funny thing, his drunken driving has killed more people then ALL of my guns, combined.

 

[DP_LOVER]

Funny thing, his drunken driving has killed more people then ALL of my guns, combined.

Ah the classic comeback of an NRA member. Drugs/booze/cars/batman kills more people than guns, lets ban them too. So predictable.

As for having secret service agents at school gates, are you fucking serious!?

I live in Glasgow which has some of the highest crime rates in the UK and yet not a single school has the need to station metal detectors, armed guards or arm their teachers. No one is running around carry guns scared of what the guy over the road might do to them so why do so many people in America feel the need

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Funny thing, his drunken driving has killed more people then ALL of my guns, combined.

Ah the classic comeback of an NRA member. Drugs/booze/cars/batman kills more people than guns, lets ban them too. So predictable.

As for having secret service agents at school gates, are you fucking serious!?

I live in Glasgow which has some of the highest crime rates in the UK and yet not a single school has the need to station metal detectors, armed guards or arm their teachers. No one is running around carry guns scared of what the guy over the road might do to them so why do so many people in America feel the need

Well then here's another classic comeback for ya'...

You don't live here, you don't vote here, you don't pay taxes here...so shut the fuck up, and worry about your own land. At least we kicked England's ass and got our freedom...you fuckers couldn't even vote it in place.

 

[DP_LOVER]

"At least we kicked England's ass and got our freedom"

resorting to school ground tactics now are we?

You will know of course that t was in fact the french who enabled the states to ultimately gain their independence when they joined the war in 1778 as allies of America. Were it not for this and the other allies such as Spain and the Netherlands then i don't think you would have 'kicked England's ass' as you eloquently put it.

 

[Will E Worm]

^ at no point did he say it would be perfect. Try reading that again.

And if you are going to insist on allowing just about anyone to own a firearm then i think it is perfectly reasonable to have them sit some kind of competency test to check that they are suitable to carry one. Including teachers (but once again Johan did not even suggest this)

The whole gun law in America is insane. Those who cling to the holy second amendment seem to forget that it was written hundreds of years ago and that times have moved on. If you reduced the number of guns and make access to them more difficult then cases of violent crime and death fro firearms will drop. It really is as simple as that. No one is saying that there will suddenly be no more killings, but there would be, and this is the importnat word here, a REDUCTION in the number of shootings.

No pro-gun supporter can seriously claim that the US does not have a problem with gun crime, the number speak for themselves.We had a similar law here in the UK whereby citizens have a right to bare arms, but it is tightly regulated and monitored, and guess what... we have a far lower rate of people killed using firearms. Funny that isn't it?

It's not insane.

People have the right to defend themselves.

Times have not moved on. We still need weapons for self-defense and to fight back against tyranny.

Gun crimes will not drop, as seen in other countries, like Australia.


America's problem comes from corrupt polititians, and police.

Governments can't be trusted when it comes to regulations.
They only want more power and control.


Gun Crime Out of Control Despite Strict Australia Laws Link

 

[DP_LOVER]

Yes because America is the only country in the world where there are some corrupt politicians. We have more than our fare share over here but still no one feels the need to walk into a school and start shooting people.

 

[Johan]

As a proud card carrying, lifetime member of the NRA, first let me say, go fuck yourself. Now that we have that out of the way, lets be clear, most members of the NRA, do not own automatic weapons, most of them are hunters, or sportsmen, that want to be kept updated on which of the elected employees they've entrusted with their precious Constitutional rights, are trying to usurp, and destroy, said rights. You don't like guns, don't buy one, just keep your fucking grubby little mits off of mine. Another thing you likely don't realize is, "The Gun Owners of America", do more to protect and preserve then the NRA...they just aren't always sticking their paws out, for a donation. Oh, and I belong to that fine organization as well.

I trust you on that, mostly because the NRA doesn't protects the interests of the gun owners but thoe of the gun manufacturers.

I have a better idea, why don't we just get some Secret Service agents, and put them in every school...just like the politicians have for their kids? I pay taxes, my life, and the life of my family is no less important then that of any elected official...especially one whose salary is paid in part by my taxes. Lets get Federal agents to protect the schools. They're well trained, responsible, and we already pay for them. We can offset the cost, by cutting the number of agents used to protect retired presidents, and we can cut down on the number that watch current politicians, and spread them around a little more thinly....most politicians carry. Like pelosi, you know her, the one that doesn't think anyones life is valuable enough to have a firearm to protect themselves, but has security, and a license to carry.

1) You wanna put federal agents in every school in the country ?! That's gonna cost a freaking lot of money.
2) I agree your life or your kid's life not less important than the president's life of the lves of the president's kids. But that's not the point. The point is that your life is not at risk like theirs are. You can say all the shit you want on Freeones, Facebook, Twitter or whatever no one is gonna come after you or after your kids because of something you said on twitter. But politicians, like all famous persons, receive a lot of hate and are targets of all kind of wackos. Did you ever received anthrax in your mailbox ? 'cause on October 24th 2001, that's what happened to G. W. Bush
3) Cut on former president security (in France too !), I'm all for that but that will never be enough to pay for 1 federal agent in each school...
4) Pelosi is routing for gun control but she has a gun and a licence to carry ? Who cares ?! Just because politicians who advocates for gun control are hypocrites it doesn't mean gun control is bad. It means politicians are bad. Wow, what a scoop !

Oh, and one more thing, the NRA isn't even close to the top of the power list, that goes to MADD....still a lot of drunk drivers though...a lot of them are cops and politicians. And big oil, big pharmaceutical....legally prescribed medications, and medical negligence kills more people then guns...so do drunk drivers. Just ask ted kennedy...oh wait, he's dead...probably from all of the booze he drank. Funny thing, his drunken driving has killed more people then ALL of my guns, combined.

Drunk drivers kill more than guns ? Well, they both kill a lot of people but only one of them two is illegal...