Those Who Say 'I Support the Troops' Really Don't

Mayhem

Banned
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/support-the-troops_b_2402749.html

by Michael Moore.
Oscar and Emmy-winning director


I don't support the troops, America, and neither do you. I am tired of the ruse we are playing on these brave citizens in our armed forces. And guess what -- a lot of these soldiers and sailors and airmen and Marines see right through the bullshit of those words, "I support the troops!," spoken by Americans with such false sincerity -- false because our actions don't match our words. These young men and women sign up to risk their very lives to protect us -- and this is what they get in return:

1. They get sent off to wars that have NOTHING to do with defending America or saving our lives. They are used as pawns so that the military-industrial complex can make billions of dollars and the rich here can expand their empire. By "supporting the troops," that means I'm supposed to shut up, don't ask questions, do nothing to stop the madness, and sit by and watch thousands of them die? Well, I've done an awful lot to try and end this. But the only way you can honestly say you support the troops is to work night and day to get them out of these hell holes they've been sent to. And what have I done this week to bring the troops home? Nothing. So if I say "I support the troops," don't believe me -- I clearly don't support the troops because I've got more important things to do today, like return an iPhone that doesn't work and take my car in for a tune up.

2. While the troops we claim to "support" are serving their country, bankers who say they too "support the troops," foreclose on the actual homes of these soldiers and evict their families while they are overseas! Have I gone and stood in front of the sheriff's deputy as he is throwing a military family out of their home? No. And there's your proof that I don't "support the troops," because if I did, I would organize mass sit-ins to block the doors of these homes. Instead, I'm having Chilean sea bass tonight.

3. How many of you who say you "support the troops" have visited a VA hospital to bring aid and comfort to the sick and wounded? I haven't. How many of you have any clue what it's like to deal with the VA? I don't. Therefore, you would be safe to say that I don't "support the troops," and neither do you.

4. Who amongst you big enthusiastic "supporters of the troops" can tell me the approximate number of service women who have been raped while in the military? Answer: 19,000 (mostly) female troops are estimated to be raped or sexually assaulted every year by fellow American troops. What have you or I done to bring these criminals to justice? What's that, you say -- out of sight, out of mind? These women have suffered, and I've done nothing. So don't ever let me get away with telling you I "support the troops" because, sadly, I don't. And neither do you.

5. Help a homeless vet today? How 'bout yesterday? Last week? Last year? Ever? But I thought you "support the troops!"? The number of homeless veterans is staggering -- on any given night, at least 60,000 veterans are sleeping on the streets of the country that proudly "supports the troops." This is disgraceful and shameful, isn't it? And it exposes all those "troop supporters" who always vote against social programs that would help these veterans. Tonight there are at least 12,700 Iraq/Afghanistan veterans homeless and sleeping on the street. I've never lent a helping hand to one of the many vets I've seen sleeping on the street. I can't bear to look, and I walk past them very quickly. That's called not "supporting the troops," which, I guess, I don't -- and neither do you.

6. And you know, the beautiful thing about all this "support" you and I have been giving the troops -- they feel this love and support so much, a record number of them are killing themselves every single week. In fact, there are now more soldiers killing themselves than soldiers being killed in combat (323 suicides in 2012 through November vs. about 210 combat deaths). Yes, you are more likely to die by your own hand in the United States military than by al Qaeda or the Taliban. And an estimated eighteen veterans kill themselves each day, or one in five of all U.S. suicides -- though no one really knows because we don't bother to keep track. Now, that's what I call support! These troops are really feeling the love, people! Lemme hear you say it again: "I support the troops!" Louder! "I SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!" There, that's better. I'm sure they heard us. Don't forget to fly our flag, wear your flag lapel pin, and never, ever let a service member pass you by without saying, "Thank you for your service!" I'm sure that's all they need to keep from putting a bullet in their heads. Do your best to keep your "support" up for the troops because, God knows, I certainly can't any longer.

I don't "support the troops" or any of those other hollow and hypocritical platitudes uttered by Republicans and frightened Democrats. Here's what I do support: I support them coming home. I support them being treated well. I support peace, and I beg any young person reading this who's thinking of joining the armed forces to please reconsider. Our war department has done little to show you they won't recklessly put your young life in harm's way for a cause that has nothing to do with what you signed up for. They will not help you once they've used you and spit you back into society. If you're a woman, they will not protect you from rapists in their ranks. And because you have a conscience and you know right from wrong, you do not want yourself being used to kill civilians in other countries who never did anything to hurt us. We are currently involved in at least a half-dozen military actions around the world. Don't become the next statistic so that General Electric can post another record profit -- while paying no taxes -- taxes that otherwise would be paying for the artificial leg that they've kept you waiting for months to receive.

I support you, and will try to do more to be there for you. And the best way you can support me -- and the ideals our country says it believes in -- is to get out of the military as soon as you can and never look back.

And please, next time some "supporter of the troops" says to you with that concerned look on their face, "I thank you for your service," you have my permission to punch their lights out (figuratively speaking, of course).

(There is something I've done to support the troops -- other than help lead the effort to stop these senseless wars. At the movie theater I run in Michigan, I became the first person in town to institute an affirmative action plan for hiring returning Iraq/Afghanistan vets. I am working to get more businesses in town to join with me in this effort to find jobs for these returning soldiers. I also let all service members in to the movies for free, every day.)
 
I read up to "By Michael Moore" then I stopped.

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
I generally don't wander into the politics section but that's actually a pretty good article.

Yeah, I lied. I typically read everything. It is a good message. I happen to agree with it.

1. I'll never pass the opportunity to call Michael Moore fat. (The thoughts have already been said many times in many ways http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1592831,00.html).
2. I don't like to pass up the opportunity to quote Animal House lines.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.

Mayhem

Banned
I generally don't wander into the politics section but that's actually a pretty good article.

Pfft. You should have known better to put that at the top of the post...

I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but just like Sam and Will, when he makes a good point we might as well admit it. And I intentionally made sure to post who the author was. It took me a few minutes to decide whether I really wanted to read it or not, considering the source.
 
Yeah, Michael Moore has been proven to be a liar and fabricator in his documentaries, but I agree with almost everything he says in this article. War is a joke, and the punchline is profits for the mega-conglomerates.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Poor Michael Moore. All the kids were his best friends but he didn't realize that it was a very special toy that he had that brought them around. George W. Bush. One day he lost that toy and the children started drifting away. It was fun while it lasted. Then little Michael decides to write a book about his life to bring the children back around. Some came to read his story but more were buying books by Dick Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, Herman Cain, and Pat Buchanan. Michael is troubled and he hides in his room for a few years. He stops taking his Ritalin and tries to get his friends back by contacting an old friend, The Huffington Post. If he starts yelling and stamping his feet there, maybe he can get some attention. Come to grips young man. Those playful days are behind you and you will never see that toy again.
 
Poor Michael Moore. All the kids were his best friends but he didn't realize that it was a very special toy that he had that brought them around. George W. Bush. One day he lost that toy and the children started drifting away. It was fun while it lasted. Then little Michael decides to write a book about his life to bring the children back around. Some came to read his story but more were buying books by Dick Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, Herman Cain, and Pat Buchanan. Michael is troubled and he hides in his room for a few years. He stops taking his Ritalin and tries to get his friends back by contacting an old friend, The Huffington Post. If he starts yelling and stamping his feet there, maybe he can get some attention. Come to grips young man. Those playful days are behind you and you will never see that toy again.

This is somewhat unlike you, Bob. Usually when you disagree with something, you use reason and fact to demonstrate why you don't subscribe to the person in question's point of view. Do you disagree with the article strongly? Why? I genuinely would like to hear your arguments, because you're pretty much the only conservative voice on this forum that I ever really listen to and consider.

With regards to the article, while I pretty much agree with most of what already been said about Moore, his opinion on this is pretty dead on. I've always fucking hated the false patriotism bullshit, and I am by no means calling myself a flag-waving true American Patriot here. But the idea of putting a yellow ribbon magnet on the back of your car or wearing a "freedom isn't free" t-shirt and then believing that your actually "supporting" American service men and women is just plain stupid. And I know that a lot of the people who do those things typically mean well, but If I was a US veteran returning home from a war that I had bravely risked my life in, that had left me with PTSD or fewer limbs then I'd left with and in need of real support, only to see the very country I was fighting for buying magnets and t-shirts and calling it support, I'd likely feel like I'd been slapped in the face. Luckily for us, most service men and women are more humble and generous than I am.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
This is somewhat unlike you, Bob. Usually when you disagree with something, you use reason and fact to demonstrate why you don't subscribe to the person in question's point of view. Do you disagree with the article strongly? Why? I genuinely would like to hear your arguments, because you're pretty much the only conservative voice on this forum that I ever really listen to and consider.

With regards to the article, while I pretty much agree with most of what already been said about Moore, his opinion on this is pretty dead on. I've always fucking hated the false patriotism bullshit, and I am by no means calling myself a flag-waving true American Patriot here. But the idea of putting a yellow ribbon magnet on the back of your car or wearing a "freedom isn't free" t-shirt and then believing that your actually "supporting" American service men and women is just plain stupid. And I know that a lot of the people who do those things typically mean well, but If I was a US veteran returning home from a war that I had bravely risked my life in, that had left me with PTSD or fewer limbs then I'd left with and in need of real support, only to see the very country I was fighting for buying magnets and t-shirts and calling it support, I'd likely feel like I'd been slapped in the face. Luckily for us, most service men and women are more humble and generous than I am.

An excellent post. If you forget who the author of the article is and just take it for the substance of the message, it's dead-on the money. I know way too many vets who have been forgotten by an apathetic public and disenfranchised by an unappreciative government.
 
An excellent post. If you forget who the author of the article is and just take it for the substance of the message, it's dead-on the money. I know way too many vets who have been forgotten by an apathetic public and disenfranchised by an unappreciative government.

You mean slapping a yellow or red white and blue ribbon on my car isn't enough?
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Michael Moore is just another windbag that once rode high and relevant. He bitches about Bush's wars but the Obama promises of bringing home the troops at once didn't come to pass. Is he calling Obama out? Those that were brought home in the past 4 years are having these problems as mentioned. Will Moore point any fingers at our current President? No. Michael Moore is a hack.

Mind you, I don't blame the President for backing down on the troop withdrawal. It's just like any other new job. You have ideas and have to adjust your plans once you learn all of the inner workings. Why aren't these troops' situations being addressed? He had 4 years of the present administration to ask these questions.

No doubt that these citizens sacrifice prime years of their lives. No debate that they shouldn't have any preference to services. Why hasn't this great American done a documentary on this? It's not the message that I have a problem with, it's the messenger.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
I read up to "By Michael Moore" then I stopped.

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Now now, Michael Moore has some good points.
Fat, drunk and stupid is the ONLY way to go through life.

The only way that I know of...





This article has many good points. There are many ways to support the troops. Most people don't enact them. Sadly.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
The only thing that fat fuck supports is his local Krispy Kreme. Cocksucker.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Now now, Michael Moore has some good points.
Fat, drunk and stupid is the ONLY way to go through life.

The only way that I know of...






This article has many good points. There are many ways to support the troops. Most people don't enact them. Sadly.

VV, I'm only asking this, because I'm wondering if you got the joke. I have no idea where you live, or what movies you've seen. I'm curious, did you get mikex's joke?
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
The only thing that fat fuck supports is his local Krispy Kreme. Cocksucker.
Yeah, judge him on his weight.
Not on his actions, however laudable (if one-sided) they may be.
VV, I'm only asking this, because I'm wondering if you got the joke. I have no idea where you live, or what movies you've seen. I'm curious, did you get mikex's joke?
I didn't. I believe it was some sort of reference to a film? I also believe the sentiment of "fuck Michael Moore" was heartfelt.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I didn't. I believe it was some sort of reference to a film? I also believe the sentiment of "fuck Michael Moore" was heartfelt.

Yes, it was a reference to a film, that goes along with his avatar. If you ever get a chance, watch "Animal House".
 
Yeah, judge him on his weight.
Not on his actions, however laudable (if one-sided) they may be.

I didn't. I believe it was some sort of reference to a film? I also believe the sentiment of "fuck Michael Moore" was heartfelt.

I'm a sarcastic asshole. My sense of humor is tough to get since I say things for my entertainment mostly. I remember my wife saying on our 4th date, "I got that one".
Maybe I'm a bit anti-social. ;)

I actually think Michael Moore is very bright. I think he is often right. However, since he is very bright I think he knows when he is being misleading or not truthful. So, it is tough for me to forgive his sins. Unlike George W. Bush, who I think was unthruthful, but somehow believed his own bullshit. I don't care for him either, but I forgive his sins (as if anyone cares about me forgiving sins).

The article was a good one. It is a point that has been made by others (I posted one link from the NY Times), but I think Moore did a very good job with it.

...oh, and Michael Moore is fat. :)
 
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