The Trump Presidency

[Bloodshot Scott]

If there were no social injustice there would be no need for "SJW"'s, and seriously, who really goes around using terms like "SJW", besides alt-right Nazis?

Is that the only retort your side throws at other people now - "YOU'RE A NAZI!!!!!!"??

 

[xfire]

Is that the only retort your side throws at other people now - "YOU'RE A NAZI!!!!!!"??

No, that's not the only retort, but it's certainly accurate. Oh, and nice beer, btw.

 

[Mayhem]

Is that the only retort your side throws at other people now??

You SJW cultural marxists are fucking psychotic. Literally the vast majority of you cranks must be high on...something.

That's all I got. LMFAO

Yes Scotty aka Captain Obvious, this is all you got. That's all you ever have.

 

[Supafly]

***BREAKING NEWS***

Trump Accepts Larry Flynt’s Ten-Million-Dollar Offer for Information Leading to His Impeachment

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Just minutes after the publisher Larry Flynt offered ten million dollars in exchange for information leading to Donald Trump’s impeachment, Trump contacted Flynt and said that he would gladly provide the information himself in exchange for the cash.
According to Flynt, shortly after their phone conversation Trump sent him a voluminous number of e-mails, phone records, and other evidence of impeachable offenses, after which Flynt wired ten million dollars to Trump’s Swiss bank account.
“That was a lot easier than I thought it would be, to be honest,” Flynt told reporters.
The swift denouement to Trump’s tenure in the White House raised more than a few eyebrows in Washington, with some insiders wondering if Trump’s eagerness to accept the ten-million-dollar payment indicated that his net worth was considerably smaller than he had professed.
Robert Mueller, the independent counsel investigating Trump’s ties to Russia, expressed some sadness that he was not able to bring his probe to a conclusion. “I don’t know what evidence Trump had against himself, but I guarantee you I had more,” he said.
Meanwhile, the success of Flynt’s cash offer appears to have only emboldened the publisher, who announced that he is now offering twenty million dollars for information leading to the impeachment of Mike Pence.

...

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/bor...er-for-information-leading-to-his-impeachment

Now THAT is great news :coolthumb:

 

[sean miguel]

Let's just hope President Trump doesn't make those erratic hand gestures when referring to Larry Flynt, you know, because Larry Flynt is in a wheelchair.

 

[Jagger69]

I'm exhausted. Obama the commie this. Trump the Nazi that. I have disagreements with both presidents. Often on a case on case basis. I don’t have some overzealous hatred for any of them or their ideology. I value pragmatism. I know that risk sounding cowardly, like I am centralist that can can't take on stand on issue for sake of moderation itself. However, I accept climate change, I respect free market economics, the second amendment. I am cool with gay marriage. I am avid historian. I am proponent a robust military and foreign policy. I believe America is Exceptional. I just want to see this nation prosper and do great things. That benefits boths Republicans and Democrats. Liberals and Conservatives. Of course there will be always be crux in a matter between the two but it doesn't always have to be a zero-sum game.

I prefer conflict resolution to this partisan death spiral of democracy. There is a malignant aspect of social media and mainstream media, that otherwise a tool of good, that is starving the fidelity that Americans have for one another, we are degenerating into this nihilist world satire and irony. Memes are becoming the vehicle of misinformation. News and entertainment are meshing together to create filter bumbles and antagonisms. Major news organizations are competing in their aesthetics, concerning themselves more with how and whom to deliver the news to increase brand loyalty, entertainment really, rather than keeping news boring, effort-taking, informative. Hollywood is doing same thing, they are moving from entertainment to news. Look at all the pseudo-new studio talk shows starring Samantha Bee and Bill Maher, that are sort of mimicking the punditry you see on CNN and Fox News. In all, it becoming news entertainment, and the implication is that political commentary turning unto itself. The studio, say CNN, has now becoming part of the story. Trump invokes CNN and CNN becomes its own highlight. On its surface they are fighting but below it symbiotic relationship where coverage and viewers are being exchange.

Sometimes, I am really tempted to shout at the shit I hear but the stoic in me say it will all pass.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cornytone again.

I nominate this as political post of the year. You are 100% absolutely dead-on-balls correct in your assessment, mr. cornytone. You are also quite literally a man without a country if you are truly a centrist because the two major political parties we have today are both moving away from their respective centers and closer to their extremes on both left and right at breakneck speed. The rise of the Sanders movement and Steve Bannon's obvious ability to influence elections are symbolic of this phenomenon. Perhaps it may evolve to the point where a more relevant third party may emerge from the haze but right now it ain't there. If you are a moderate in the genuine sense how in the hell are you going to find a nominee in the next presidential election cycle that you can support enthusiastically? It's going to be Trump (unless he resigns or gets impeached) against....who? You got a name out there who is a moderate who would be a compelling challenger for the Dems? I sure don't. If you ain't either hard right or hard left, you don't count.

Here's a great op-ed piece in today's Miami Herald from columnist Leonard Pitts that makes a pretty compelling argument and, whether you happen to love or despise Mr. Pitts, he's certainly not hesitating to make a choice about which side he intends to join in the rush to the extreme.

How can Democrats survive? They need to make a sharp, decisive left

I’ve been struggling with this question for a month.

It’s been that long since a Democratic state legislator rose during the Q&A after a speech and asked me a deceptively-simple thing: What should Democrats do now? What should their message be?

I had no idea how to answer that, nor even any confidence that I was the one to do it. It seemed to me it was a question not for a professional kvetcher uninterested in the nuts-and-bolts of political machinery, but, rather, for some some high-powered operative like Donna Brazile or James Carville.

But then, it is high-powered operatives who’ve led the party into its present cul de sac.

Indeed, as internecine fighting loudly fractures the GOP, Democrats quietly struggle with a civil war of their own. Largely shut out of power at the state and federal levels, the party is torn between pragmatists who want to chase Donald Trump’s voters with a centrist economic agenda and insurrectionists a la Bernie Sanders who want to move hard to the left. What should Democrats do?

As I said, I’ve been wrestling with that. And I finally have an answer.

The Democrats need to move left.

That conclusion does not come easily to me. I am, by nature, a centrist deeply suspicious of political extremes, which I consider Kryptonite to thoughtfulness. I remain convinced no ideology has a monopoly on good ideas. Moreover, I’m skeptical the agenda proffered by the likes of Sen. Sanders — free college? — is politically or economically do-able.

But here’s the thing: The center is all but gone. That was, in fact, one of the points I made in the speech that inspired the lawmaker’s question: We have, I said, become a country dominated by its extremes.

A 2014 Pew Research Center study found that the percentage of Democrats and Republicans holding extremely negative views of the opposite party has more than doubled since 1994; Pew also found that, while 64 percent of Republicans in ‘94 held opinions that were to the right of the average Democrat, these days 92 percent do. And 94 percent of Democrats are now to the left of the GOP median..

So the right is moving further right, the left, further left and the center, as the poet Yeats observed, “cannot hold.” And it is a fantasy for a party heavily populated by African Americans, Muslims, the LGBTQ, immigrants and other marginalized peoples yearning to breathe free in an increasingly oppressive environment, to think it can attract angry, older white voters who believe that what America really needs is to be made “great again.”

No one manufactures tents that big.

What other option, then, do Democrats have but to move left, exploiting the anger, energy and enthusiasm to be found there? It’s an imperfect solution for all the reasons noted above, but it has one advantage: It clarifies the choices, makes them stark. That would be a good thing just now.

Say what you will about Trump: He was definitive, and did not lack for boldness in his appeal to white resentments and rage.

What if Democrats were as bold and definitive as he, but for universal healthcare, sane immigration reform, a living wage, fixing the broken justice system, jobs training and day care for families on public assistance, addressing climate change, and not blowing up the world in manhood-measuring contests with Asian dictators? What if they were pugnacious and uncompromising in the service of simple decency? Of inclusion and compassion? Of just treating people right?

If these days you must be an extremist, well … there are worse things to be an extremist for.

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article178599721.html

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Let's just hope President Trump doesn't make those erratic hand gestures when referring to Larry Flynt, you know, because Larry Flynt is in a wheelchair.

Well naturally the SJWs will be outraged...because hand gestures are so "naziesque".

Of course they have their "safe spaces" to retreat to if the pain becomes too unbearable...

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cornytone again.

I nominate this as political post of the year. You are 100% absolutely dead-on-balls correct in your assessment, mr. cornytone. You are also quite literally a man without a country if you are truly a centrist because the two major political parties we have today are both moving away from their respective centers and closer to their extremes on both left and right at breakneck speed. The rise of the Sanders movement and Steve Bannon's obvious ability to influence elections are symbolic of this phenomenon. Perhaps it may evolve to the point where a more relevant third party may emerge from the haze but right now it ain't there. If you are a moderate in the genuine sense how in the hell are you going to find a nominee in the next presidential election cycle that you can support enthusiastically? It's going to be Trump (unless he resigns or gets impeached) against....who? You got a name out there who is a moderate who would be a compelling challenger for the Dems? I sure don't. If you ain't either hard right or hard left, you don't count.

Here's a great op-ed piece in today's Miami Herald from columnist Leonard Pitts that makes a pretty compelling argument and, whether you happen to love or despise Mr. Pitts, he's certainly not hesitating to make a choice about which side he intends to join in the rush to the extreme.



http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article178599721.html

Do you agree with Pitts?

 

[Rattrap]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cornytone again.

I nominate this as political post of the year. You are 100% absolutely dead-on-balls correct in your assessment, mr. cornytone. You are also quite literally a man without a country if you are truly a centrist because the two major political parties we have today are both moving away from their respective centers and closer to their extremes on both left and right at breakneck speed. The rise of the Sanders movement and Steve Bannon's obvious ability to influence elections are symbolic of this phenomenon. Perhaps it may evolve to the point where a more relevant third party may emerge from the haze but right now it ain't there. If you are a moderate in the genuine sense how in the hell are you going to find a nominee in the next presidential election cycle that you can support enthusiastically? It's going to be Trump (unless he resigns or gets impeached) against....who? You got a name out there who is a moderate who would be a compelling challenger for the Dems? I sure don't. If you ain't either hard right or hard left, you don't count.

Here's a great op-ed piece in today's Miami Herald from columnist Leonard Pitts that makes a pretty compelling argument and, whether you happen to love or despise Mr. Pitts, he's certainly not hesitating to make a choice about which side he intends to join in the rush to the extreme.

I'm not sure I can agree with much of this, Jagger. A 'moderate Democrat' is just a Republican who's okay with gays and abortion. D's and R's represent the center-right and far-right, respectively. In fact, the erroneously labeled 'far-left' is actually trying to pull the Democrats closer to the center (cue a triggered string of insults invariably referencing Marx or Trotsky from BsS) - it's only in America's bizzarely warped overton window that we think anybody to the right of Bill Clinton - the best Republican president since probably Eisenhower - represents 'far left'. Far left is communism. Nobody mainstream is espousing that. The far-right, however, is neoliberalism, and that's exactly where the two main parties basically are today.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

D's and R's represent the center-right and far-right, respectively.

Jesus H. Christ you stay high on shit...

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Although "right" in your mind is a RINO, so "far right" is a RINO who maaaaybe comes close to true conservatism, so in that, you're kind of right...LMAO


A true conservative is a NAZI in your warped mind.


Fucks sake I wonder what a "liberal" looks like in your mind...

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Although "right" in your mind is a RINO, so "far right" is a RINO who maaaaybe comes close to true conservatism, so in that, you're kind of right...LMAO


A true conservative is a NAZI in your warped mind.


Fucks sake I wonder what a "liberal" looks like in your mind...

The far right and the far left are extremely loud minorities in this country both are whacked out nut jobs.

 

[Rattrap]

...the far left are extremely loud...

Are they? I haven't been hearing much from the communists at all. Can you link me to any coverage?

 

[pornobh]

Porn publisher offering $10 million for impeachable dirt on Trump

https://twitter.com/i/moments/919535994206150656

 

[Jagger69]

Do you agree with Pitts?

No, I don't, Scott. Just like I don't think it's in the best interests of the GOP to run with Bannon and his group. The rush to extremism creates a serious risk of isolation within a specific group of like-minded constituents (unless the extremism is state-mandated) and such a political party normally becomes a marginalized, although often very loud, minority. The Democrats' best option is to steer center-left in order to draw away disaffected establishment republicans who simply can't stomach the likes of Trump, Bannon or Stephen Miller becoming the voices of the party (if even only temporarily). However, the biggest opportunity to pick up votes for them is to reel back in disaffected Democrats and cynical swing voters who flocked to Trump's populist message in 2016. If the polling is correct (and I'm not claiming it is), Trump may have already lost this group with his erratic and bizarre actions as president so far. The Dems can pick a lot of those voters up but not by swinging hard left in my opinion. We may well be on our way to the evolution of a viable third (or fourth?) party as this unfolds.

I'm not sure I can agree with much of this, Jagger. A 'moderate Democrat' is just a Republican who's okay with gays and abortion. D's and R's represent the center-right and far-right, respectively. In fact, the erroneously labeled 'far-left' is actually trying to pull the Democrats closer to the center (cue a triggered string of insults invariably referencing Marx or Trotsky from BsS) - it's only in America's bizzarely warped overton window that we think anybody to the right of Bill Clinton - the best Republican president since probably Eisenhower - represents 'far left'. Far left is communism. Nobody mainstream is espousing that. The far-right, however, is neoliberalism, and that's exactly where the two main parties basically are today

Well, to be honest, I wrote it with a bit of tongue-in-cheek sarcasm that really didn't come through much I guess but my point is that if there is indeed a silent majority somewhere (either right or left), they are certainly living up to their name because the squeaky wheels in both parties are the extreme ones. Again, it's exemplified by the paucity of serious centrist candidates on either side. I reiterate my challenge for anyone to identify even one of them for 2020. I'd love to know where one is because, despite my rep here as a flaming liberal, this label is only applicable to social issues. I would consider a centrist candidate from either party fully dependent upon his or her social stance.

 

[Jagger69]

Oh....RT....also, semantics being in the way here I would like to specify that when I refer to "hard" views on the left, I am referring to such things as free public education through college, universal health care, a liberalized immigration policy and equal rights for all American citizens regardless of ANYTHING. I'm not referring to things like collectivization of agriculture or 5-year industrial plans.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

No, I don't, Scott. Just like I don't think it's in the best interests of the GOP to run with Bannon and his group. The rush to extremism creates a serious risk of isolation within a specific group of like-minded constituents (unless the extremism is state-mandated) and such a political party normally becomes a marginalized, although often very loud, minority. The Democrats' best option is to steer center-left in order to draw away disaffected establishment republicans who simply can't stomach the likes of Trump, Bannon or Stephen Miller becoming the voices of the party (if even only temporarily). However, the biggest opportunity to pick up votes for them is to reel back in disaffected Democrats and cynical swing voters who flocked to Trump's populist message in 2016. If the polling is correct (and I'm not claiming it is), Trump may have already lost this group with his erratic and bizarre actions as president so far. The Dems can pick a lot of those voters up but not by swinging hard left in my opinion. We may well be on our way to the evolution of a viable third (or fourth?) party as this unfolds. .

But the left has been going farther and farther left...for a while. In that, I don't think what Pitts is arguing for is that controversial. I think Slick Willy was the most conservative president of my lifetime - more conservative than both Bushes. In some ways Reagan was more liberal than Clinton (legalizing 4 million aliens is among the most liberal acts this country has ever seen).


Bernie was the most leftist candidate I've ever seen have so much success. HRC moved WAY left - otherwise she would have easily won. She just couldn't help the pull of the radical left/Bernie effect.


I think Pitts (who I've read plenty times before and never found to be moderate on anything, as I recall) is just going the way which his party has been going for some time now.

 

[Mayhem]

The Left disagrees with everything you wrote. We have NOT been going further Left, we've been stuck in the center. Hilldawg, Schumer and Pelosi all represent the middle, not the Left.

And this needs to be said although it's a certainty that you're going to lash out at me saying it: Since when are you of all people an authority on Leftist politics?

 

[xfire]

But the left has been going farther and farther left...for a while. In that, I don't think what Pitts is arguing for is that controversial. I think Slick Willy was the most conservative president of my lifetime - more conservative than both Bushes. In some ways Reagan was more liberal than Clinton (legalizing 4 million aliens is among the most liberal acts this country has ever seen). Bernie was the most leftist candidate I've ever seen have so much success. HRC moved WAY left - otherwise she would have easily won. She just couldn't help the pull of the radical left/Bernie effect. I think Pitts (who I've read plenty times before and never found to be moderate on anything, as I recall) is just going the way which his party has been going for some time now.

Again, nice beer. Sieg Heil!

 

[Jagger69]

But the left has been going farther and farther left...for a while. In that, I don't think what Pitts is arguing for is that controversial. I think Slick Willy was the most conservative president of my lifetime - more conservative than both Bushes. In some ways Reagan was more liberal than Clinton (legalizing 4 million aliens is among the most liberal acts this country has ever seen).


Bernie was the most leftist candidate I've ever seen have so much success. HRC moved WAY left - otherwise she would have easily won. She just couldn't help the pull of the radical left/Bernie effect.


I think Pitts (who I've read plenty times before and never found to be moderate on anything, as I recall) is just going the way which his party has been going for some time now.

The left is not the Dems by a longshot....in spite of the blurry lines your right-oriented views might want to connect. Bernie Sanders was rejected by the Dems, remember? However, I guess they would seem to be moving left when it's actually the right that's been moving, Scott. Didn't y'all elect Trump? Isn't Bannon leaving McConnell and Ryan twisting in the wind as the GOP embraces far-far-right candidates like Roy Moore? Dems didn't elect anybody so I don't see how they are moving further left. Perhaps they eventually will as Pitts suggests but it sure ain't happened yet.