So, once again tonight there is a "mass" shooting. My question is this: is the MSM contributing to these copycat nutters?
I personally think they are.
I personally think they are.
The MSM's coverage of mass shootings
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They label it "mass" shooting, but two people were gunned down (preliminary reports state). How many were gunned down in Chicago today with ******* firearms, though? I mean, ******* firearm ****** happens regularly, but legal ***-owner ****** is a rarity.
I'm saying this with all due respect to everyone affected tonight in Portland, honestly. Condolences.
I'm saying this with all due respect to everyone affected tonight in Portland, honestly. Condolences.
Sam Fisher
Banned
MSM and Bob Costas...
Half-time at the football game barely began when he decided to give his diatribe about the the evils of guns and how Americans shouldn't have them. (Jovan Belcher)
Fast forward seven days, and I have yet to hear Costas say that automobiles should not be in the hands of Americans. (Jerry Brown)
Half-time at the football game barely began when he decided to give his diatribe about the the evils of guns and how Americans shouldn't have them. (Jovan Belcher)
Fast forward seven days, and I have yet to hear Costas say that automobiles should not be in the hands of Americans. (Jerry Brown)
Rattrap
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These things really don't happen in Portland often; growing up, I didn't feel all that uneasy walking through even the most 'crime-ridden' of neighborhoods. When they do, however, they seem to always happen at one of the two big malls...
I don't think any tangible amount of blame can be placed on the news in this sort of situation. One of the problems in Oregon, just for this example, is that we have virtually no mental health services. There are clinically crazy people just hanging out everywhere. A few years back there was a story about a man (in Portland) who acquired the *** of one of his relatives that he lived with, took it to an I-205 overpass and started shooting randomly at cars. New reports suggested he was a proper Down Syndrome case or somesuch; not a subtle 'not all there', but obviously 'not all there'. That it was likely the man didn't even know what was going on and that he was playing some sort of game.
I only bring up this example to ask: how many of these 'mass shooters' are not seriously mentally fucked up? I might take the argument that a news story provides the spark that ignites the fuse, but anything could do that and I wouldn't accept the argument that the news has anything to do with the powder keg attached to said fuse.
A better question: what do we do about it?
Nothing we can do. There are guns everywhere; it's VERY hard to purchase legal if you have even a blemish on your record (at least in my state); and of course any criminal so much as even in contact with guns today gets the Book thrown at them in a court of law - it's zero tolerance basically everywhere in America.
Any other suggestions?
Rattrap
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I disagree with your first statement and naturally accept the second (it's a fact, after all). It's not specifically concerning guns that I put the question to, though - more the state of mental health*, which is connected to the larger healthcare situation in general as well as our rather ill cultural environment.
I accept that guns are everywhere. I accept that getting rid of them is not possible. I accept that guns make ******* other people really easy; I accept that sure, if they weren't around, people would still **** other people - they would not, however, be anything near the same scale - but this is beside the point, as guns are here and are here to stay. Must we accept the same fact regarding crazy folk getting a hold of them?
* In case the stretch is attempted, this is not a plug of support for Obamacare, though I do support socialized medicine. The arguments against paying for someone else's ills become moot when one pays anyway in events like these, just with their safety instead.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
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There's a pattern: Lone gunman, shoots people then self, most of the time.
MKULTRA mind control
It's horrible to liberals, because someone had a ***. That is all it is. They don't like guns and don't want anyone to have them.
Except the police to protect them.
Even though the police usually arrive after someone has been shot and ******.
Costas needs to shut up or leave.
Jacob Tyler Roberts, 22, is the shooter. He has a Facebook (under 'Jake Roberts). Stole the Ar-15 he used, so he did not purchase it (shocker).
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/jacob-tyler-roberts-facebook/59913/
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/jacob-tyler-roberts-facebook/59913/
Tell that to the families of the 168 people who were ******, and the 680 individuals injured in the Oklahoma City bombing, the 6 dead and 1,000+ injured in the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing or the multiple victims of Ted Kaczynski's antics.
The total death toll, subtracting the perpetrators, from Columbine, Aurora, Virginia Tech, and this latest incident is 56, less than a third of the OKC Bombing. My point is that, if someone is so inclined, they can cause disproportionate damage to human life by many different avenues. Once we start to place responsibility with the individuals responsible, only then will this argument become logical.
I think we are at a point where, obviously, not reporting these types of incidents is not an option. However, and I was saying this in the aftermath of the Aurora shootings, that there is absolutely no need, or any good being done, by plastering these scumbags pictures all over the news. We are inundated with the life story, mental history and minutia such as the 5th grade report cards of these lunatics and the news outlets irresponsibly cover the intimate details of the lives these individuals led all the while pasting their pictures all over the place during the coverage. I think its irresponsible, and to your point, sort of glamorizes these people to others in society who may be similarly motivated.
I mean, its an MLB policy to not air people running across the field during games to discourage other attention whores from doing it, for Christ's sake. So why, when the issue is so much larger and serious do we have no qualms with round-the-clock coverage that glorifies these assholes to other assholes who may be attempted to do the same thing?
I think we're on the same page. The aftermath, 24/hr MSM news coverage **** isn't helping anything.
No coincidence that all these recent shootings (outside the guy that shot up his wife's place in WI) are all in their lower-20's? Something in the water (video games, movies, anti-psychotic *****???)
I think its more of a response by these **** having felt personally "wronged," either by an individual, an institution or society as a whole. The Columbine ****, if I remember correctly, sought vengeance for being bullied; the VA Tech shooter spoke of extreme social anxiety and a lack of relationships; the Aurora shooter was, in the year prior, denied entrance to medical school; and this latest guy seems to have been ineligible to join the Navy for a medical reason.
All of these incidents seem to be fueled by some sort of rejection coupled with mental illness or, at least, mental instability. Rejection is a part of life. We all have failures and shortcomings and learning how to accept that fact, cope with it and move on to bigger and better things apparently isn't seen as a reasonable response to some people. Its a dangerous attitude to have, indeed and innocent people have, and in all reality, will continue to die as a result of angry, self-loathing wackos seeking retribution. The best thing to do moving forward, in my opinion, is to stop giving these people the red-carpet treatment. If the media wants to personalize it, why not concentrate on the individuals who so wrongly lost their lives, instead of the jackoffs who took their lives.
Rattrap
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Pick any given year and your rare cases are dwarfed by people ****** with guns in the US. This isn't the avenue you want to argue with - and anyway, it's not what I'm addressing. Guns make ******* people easier. This is undeniable. Would many people be ****** if guns weren't there? Of course. But take a look at any chart showing deaths by weapon type.
The 18-24 male demographic has always been the greatest perpetrator of crime. This is nothing new.
But here's a fun snack for thought: crime was on the rise through the 70's and 80's leading to some folk to forecast the 90's, following the trend, would 'be a bloodbath'. Against many predictions, crime rates dropped considerably in the 90's. Now, what could have affected the population of the aforementioned demographic in the 90's?
Sam Fisher
Banned
Scott...here is the answer.
Flashback 1992: America Has Lost Its Soul
Click on this link... and follow along with the dialogue. (his television show from 1992)
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/12/03/flashback_1992_america_has_lost_its_soul
Let me give you the actual facts that were responsible for the Bob Greene column and the monologue. I just want to close the loop on this so that you're able to put the monologue that we replayed in context. Three teenagers, 15, 16, 18 years old, walked into a house, neighborhood house, in Chicago. They tried to get in, an eight-year-old boy at home. He's by himself. He lets them in eventually 'cause he knows them, and he trusts them. And the upshot of the story is that these three, the 15, 16, and 18-year-old **** stabbed him, hacked him, butchered him, tied him up, ********* him, and he died a slow death by ******** to death, and they did it just for the fun of it, was the story. They did it just because they could, just for the fun of it. And that is what led to Bob Greene writing his piece about the absence, the loss of the soul and the monologue by me that ensued.
Bob Greene was a columnist, a syndicated columnist out of Chicago. It was a column rather than a book, but he did write a book that bounced off of this later.
His column was "Soulless Killer Will be Death of All of Us," and what was noteworthy about it was that Bob Greene at the time was a noted liberal, was a noted leftist, and the killings -- the young people, I mean, single-digit-age people ******* each in Chicago -- so rattled him and so unnerved him that he started digging deeper than just, "We gotta get rid of guns." He couldn't believe it, and he didn't understand why it was happening. And I took a shot at explaining it. Now, we've got two sound bites, and they're gonna take about five minutes total. The first one is three minutes.
I hope you listen to it.
Flashback 1992: America Has Lost Its Soul
Click on this link... and follow along with the dialogue. (his television show from 1992)
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/12/03/flashback_1992_america_has_lost_its_soul
Let me give you the actual facts that were responsible for the Bob Greene column and the monologue. I just want to close the loop on this so that you're able to put the monologue that we replayed in context. Three teenagers, 15, 16, 18 years old, walked into a house, neighborhood house, in Chicago. They tried to get in, an eight-year-old boy at home. He's by himself. He lets them in eventually 'cause he knows them, and he trusts them. And the upshot of the story is that these three, the 15, 16, and 18-year-old **** stabbed him, hacked him, butchered him, tied him up, ********* him, and he died a slow death by ******** to death, and they did it just for the fun of it, was the story. They did it just because they could, just for the fun of it. And that is what led to Bob Greene writing his piece about the absence, the loss of the soul and the monologue by me that ensued.
Bob Greene was a columnist, a syndicated columnist out of Chicago. It was a column rather than a book, but he did write a book that bounced off of this later.
His column was "Soulless Killer Will be Death of All of Us," and what was noteworthy about it was that Bob Greene at the time was a noted liberal, was a noted leftist, and the killings -- the young people, I mean, single-digit-age people ******* each in Chicago -- so rattled him and so unnerved him that he started digging deeper than just, "We gotta get rid of guns." He couldn't believe it, and he didn't understand why it was happening. And I took a shot at explaining it. Now, we've got two sound bites, and they're gonna take about five minutes total. The first one is three minutes.
I hope you listen to it.
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