The Indian-Israeli Military Relationship

[colonelf40]

The two countries have become close military partners but what does this mean for the Arabs, Iran and Pakistan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUNN4uEHLaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyVOBoBvLZo

 

[Facetious]

Thanks for the heads up on that Col. ! :hatsoff:

I was due for a review / refresher on that :hatsoff:

Reps a comin' your way !!!

 

[tartanterrier]

At least somebody likes the Israellis

 

[lovejoy]

The two countries have become close military partners but what does this mean for the Arabs, Iran and Pakistan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUNN4uEHLaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyVOBoBvLZo

Absolutely no.

India is in a very unique situation.

In the early 1970, India was very close to Soviet Union, almosts a socialist country. Then India switched alliance and get closer to the West including
United States and now Israel.

The real issue is India is located among three hostile neighbors, China, Pakistan and Iran.

India and China fought a border skimish back in late 1960's and now the Mao's Party gained supreme power in neighboring state in Himalayia, Pakistan has crazy Muslim radicals, and also warlords sending assassins and suicide-bombers to India. Iran remains a threat to India.

India is at the cross-road because India has not defined itself with very poor social structure and old cultural tradition crashes with new ones.

India wants to emerge as a rising star and regional power so they would trade military relationship with anyone in the West to fight its way against neighboring Pakistan.

But India will never rise to superpower unless they demolish the class system, provide social security and welfare system and reform the huge underclass and break through over-population problems.

India will override China by 2025 in its population and may reach 1.8 billions -2 billion people with 90% made less than 100 dollars a month

India class-system is sickening and India embraces of nuclear power and forget its own people is worse.

India needs a Cultural Revolution to purge the old and replace with brand new western cultural value.

The first thing to go India's class system !!!

 

[Roughneck]

India and Israel have always shared good military relations.

India is at the cross-road because India has not defined itself with very poor social structure and old cultural tradition crashes with new ones.

India wants to emerge as a rising star and regional power so they would trade military relationship with anyone in the West to fight its way against neighboring Pakistan.

But India will never rise to superpower unless they demolish the class system, provide social security and welfare system and reform the huge underclass and break through over-population problems.

India needs a Cultural Revolution to purge the old and replace with brand new western cultural value.

The first thing to go India's class system !!!

"India needs a Cultural Revolution to purge the old and replace with brand new western cultural value."

Yes. That's what the world needs. More countries blindly aping our cultural 'values'. Because we are oh-so-perfect and immaculate.

By the way, by what standards - other than mass poverty and corruption - does India differ from the many liberal democracies of the West?

I also like how you mention the fact that India needs to provide social security and welfare. Here's a website that chronicles but a tiny amount of the massive Indian Welfare State and it's activities and programs.

By the way, India remains a Socialist state (it still retains that term in it's Preamble). While it may have bicameral legislature based on the British, the Federal government retains far more powers than the constituent States and it's economy is still under great control of the Federal government (hell, they still use "Five Year" Plans!).

You have never been to India, have you? :1orglaugh

cheers,

 

[maildude]

It's almost like sides are being drawn up.

 

[Member2019]

There is very strong intelligence ...

There is very strong intelligence that India provided a remote island for Israel to conduct nuclear tests in the early '70s, and the two shared the results. It does explain India's "quick to develop" nuclear capability in the '90s, that they were already sitting on the knowledge. These tests were done under heavy cloud cover, limiting US verification from seismic and air sampling.

DISCLAIMER: I'm only speaking from publicly available information.

 

[dick van cock]

The two countries have become close military partners but what does this mean for the Arabs, Iran and Pakistan?

Nothing.

Israel has been entertaining a military alliance with Turkey for about 10 years without any noticeable effect on Middle Eastern countries (Syria being their common adversary).

 

[lovejoy]

By all means, India has 1.1 billions people and can not score a few medals in the Olympics.

Indian people are very smart but the social structure prevents a "group" behaviour instead develop individual intelligence instead of "group" behaviour.

How many non-Indian men ever even think about to marry an Indian woman ? That's the answer to you ! Indian continues tribal traditional cultural. At least a new Yorker can marry a woman from Ohio or Michigan or even Florida. A Christian can marry a Jew in New York City but not in India.

India is a power house just like Brazil but it is companies, multi-national companies that strive and push a country forward. Look at Germany and understand how and why Germany is a strong country, because of the multi-national German companies and its people. It takes the people, the institution, the Government as a "group" to strive forward.

As long as a country like India who discriminates against women and treat women as sex slaves, a country can not go forward as a developed country.

By the way, I live among the Indians and work with the Indians and understand their family and class structure very well.

I really hope India abolishes the arranged marriage and spare the killings of women who refuse to marry someone she does not know.

Why buying and selling brides in America in Atlanta, New York City ? It is in America that "Honor Killing" occurs all the times when an Indian woman (even a female Indian doctor) refuses an arranged marriage by her parents. Is that $100,000 -$500,000 gold that important to the bride's parents?

 

[Bigoldowls]

The two countries have become close military partners but what does this mean for the Arabs, Iran and Pakistan?

Perhaps they should also become military partners?

 

[Roughneck]

It does explain India's "quick to develop" nuclear capability in the '90s, that they were already sitting on the knowledge.

90s? Prof, they had nuclear capability in 1974.

How many non-Indian men ever even think about to marry an Indian woman ? That's the answer to you ! Indian continues tribal traditional cultural.

So - some non-indians don't wish to marry indians and this is proof positive of a backwardness? Yeah. Wohoo! That proves everything!

At least a new Yorker can marry a woman from Ohio or Michigan or even Florida. A Christian can marry a Jew in New York City but not in India.

Can you prove this?

Of course you can't...

As long as a country like India who discriminates against women and treat women as sex slaves, a country can not go forward as a developed country.

Yes, honor killing does happen in rural India - but for you to state that Indians treat women as "sex slaves" is preposterous and grossly ill informed. I might as well state that all American women are decadent, porn loving sluts based solely on the LA porn industry and it'd amount to the same thing.

By the way, I live among the Indians and work with the Indians and understand their family and class structure very well.

With all due respect - you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yech! I've dragged this post off topic.
Sorry.

- R.

 

[Roughneck]

Israel has been entertaining a military alliance with Turkey for about 10 years without any noticeable effect on Middle Eastern countries (Syria being their common adversary).

Good point.

I wonder if that's because the Turks aren't "Arabs" per se.
Similar to the 'differences of opinion' between the Iranians and say Saudis/Syrians?

cheers,

 

[Member2019]

90s? Prof, they had nuclear capability in 1974.

Yes, capability. I was referring to deployment, which didn't happen until later.
There is intelligence to suggest that there were other tests done prior to Smiling Buddha, and Israel was involved.

I think people forget that most Israeli hardware came from the USSR, not the US, until after '73.
India was also a key importer of USSR equipment until only more recently (although the UK always maintains strong ties).

Again, a strong suggestion was that Israel was finalizing its capability, prior to the alleged US assistance.
India was also interested in it, and solved many of the logistic issues.

Good point.
I wonder if that's because the Turks aren't "Arabs" per se.

I think you're forgetting about Attaturk and all that related history.
Without him and the post-Ottoman changes, I don't think we'd find Turkey the same as we do today, and far more like the rest of the region.

Westernization and democratic adoption has always been key to reducing violence and increasing stability.
Turkey "got it" by an influencial leader from within, unlike virtually any other Islamic nation in the region.

 

[LBP 76]

Yes, capability. I was referring to deployment, which didn't happen until later.
There is intelligence to suggest that there were other tests done prior to Smiling Buddha, and Israel was involved.

I think people forget that most Israeli hardware came from the USSR, not the US, until after '73.

In terms of aircraft and tanks, before the late 60's, I believe almost all of it was supplied to Israel by France and the U.K.. Though after the '67 War, Israel did possess a ton of captured Russian origin equipment.


As for the joint nuclear testing with India, that is VERY interesting. Israel had to test somewhere (wouldn't they?). And I assume they couldn't do it at home. Your theory makes alot of sense. Thanks for the info..