The Dominoes Are Starting To Fall

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Bob Mueller's Russia investigation has shifted into a different gear with this bombshell that dropped last night.

Federal prosecutors told Manafort they plan to indict him: Report

Paul Manafort, the former chairman of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, has been told by federal prosecutors that they plan to indict him, the New York Times reported Tuesday.

The warning came after the FBI raided his home in July, even picking the lock, although he was at home asleep, the Times reported, citing two sources close to the investigation. Agents sought proof he had set up offshore bank accounts, and, the Times says, they took photos of the expensive suits in Manafort's closet.

On Monday, CBS News confirmed Manafort had been wiretapped under a foreign intelligence warrant in connection with U.S. concerns that he was communicating with Russian operatives who wanted to influence the American election. The warrants were issued before Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel to take over the investigation from the FBI.

The U.S. government listened in on Manafort's conversations during the presidential campaign and through the election -- though not constantly -- and its surveillance includes the period when Manafort was Mr. Trump's campaign chairman.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-federal-prosecutors-told-manafort-they-plan-to-indict-him/

This is getting awfully close to the president, folks.
 

Mayhem

Banned
Exclusive: Trump using campaign, RNC funds to pay legal bills from Russia probe

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...y-legal-bills-from-russia-probe-idUSKCN1BU2OS
U.S. President Donald Trump is using money donated to his reelection campaign and the Republican National Committee to pay for his lawyers in the probe of alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The U.S. Federal Election Commission allows the use of private campaign funds to pay legal bills arising from being a candidate or elected official.

While previous presidential campaigns have used these funds to pay for routine legal matters such as ballot access disputes and compliance requirements, Trump would be the first U.S. president in the modern campaign finance era to use such funds to cover the costs of responding to a criminal probe, said election law experts.

One person familiar with the matter said the first payments, the amount of which Reuters could not determine, has already been made and would be disclosed in public filings. The person did not explain how the costs would be allocated between the campaign and the RNC.

The Republican National Committee is expected to make its August spending public on Wednesday, and the Trump campaign is due for another disclosure on Oct. 15.

John Dowd, Trump’s lead lawyer, declined to say how the president’s legal bills were being paid, adding: “That’s none of your business.”

A spokesperson for the RNC declined to comment,
but said the committee has already paid unspecified, non-Russia related litigation expenses for the campaign. The RNC has an existing legal defense fund which has been used mainly for Election Day recounts and other routine legal matters for candidates, the spokesperson said.

Special counsel Robert Mueller is looking at possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in last year’s election, and whether Trump may have obstructed justice by firing FBI Director James Comey, among other actions.

Moscow has denied meddling in the U.S. election, and Trump denies any collusion or obstruction.

Reuters could not determine how large a legal bill Trump has incurred to date from his lawyers on the Mueller probe. Trump hired his longtime New York lawyer Marc Kasowitz to head his defense team in May, but Kasowitz stepped down in July, with Dowd taking over the lead role, according to a people familiar.

Trump is also being represented by constitutional lawyer Jay Sekulow. Special White House counsel Ty Cobb, who is a salaried staff member, is also working on the matter.

The Trump campaign has paid law firm Jones Day almost $4 million
, according to campaign filings, mostly for routine campaign legal expenses like ballot access disputes, vendor contracts, human resources and compliance with state and federal laws. It has also responded to Russia-related inquiries on behalf of the campaign by, for example, providing documents to Congress.

FOLLOWING OBAMA‘S LEAD

The reason Trump is able to tap into his campaign funds for legal expenses is because for the past decade, presidential candidates have abandoned public financing for their campaigns. Instead, they have built networks that collect millions of dollars from private donors, a move that comes with less restrictions on how the money is spent.

Barack Obama in 2008 was the first to eschew public financing for his campaign, and all the major-party candidates followed suit in 2012 and 2016, campaign filings show.

Trump also filed for reelection the day he took office in January, two years earlier than any previous president, ensuring a fund of millions in campaign cash would remain at his disposal.

According to its most recent filing to the Federal Election Commission, Donald J. Trump for President Inc had almost $12 million on hand by the end of June, an increase of over $4 million since January.

Adav Noti, a senior director at the Campaign Legal Center, a watchdog group that describes itself as nonpartisan, said public campaign funds - as opposed to the private funds Trump has raised - cannot generally be used for expenses arising from criminal investigations, or for any expenses that arise after the campaign is over.

President Bill Clinton, who ran two publicly funded campaigns, had supporters start legal defense funds and used his own insurance to help pay legal bills during the Whitewater investigation. He still wound up with millions of dollars in personal debt which he paid off through speaking fees he earned once he left office.

Hillary Clinton, who ran a privately funded campaign, paid millions to campaign lawyers at Perkins Coie to handle routine legal matters, according to campaign filings. Her campaign made no payments to the Washington law firm Williams & Connolly, which represented her in the probes of her use of a private email server when she was U.S. Secretary of State.

Her lawyer, David Kendall of Williams & Connolly, declined to comment on how he was paid.

Campaigns also have discretion to pay legal fees for others besides the president.

According to a July filing, the Trump campaign paid $50,000 to the law firm of Alan Futerfas, who is representing Donald Trump Jr. Futerfas did not respond for requests for comment.

A number of other current and former Trump staffers have also recently hired lawyers.
 
Can everybody start referring to the President as Red Don? I think it would be cool if that caught on.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Can everybody start referring to the President as Red Don? I think it would be cool if that caught on.

Yeah well considering that his speech to the UN today demonized virtually everyone (ill-advised and ill-informed statements about each being made in the process) whom he is propping up as being the bogeymen without any real accusations at all placed on Russia and Putin makes him appear to be guilty as hell regarding the allegations of collusion between him, his campaign and his staff and Putin and his minions so I think your idea is right on the money. This is fixin' to get really ugly and Trump, through his sins of omission, is literally digging his own grave in the process it would appear. Instead of doing all this ridiculous saber-rattling ("Rocket Man"? Really? I hope Elton John sues him. What a predictably juvenile reference!) designed to pander to his simple-minded hard-core supporters (yes, the same ones who think that building a wall on our southern border will magically cure America's illegal immigration issue) and willfully, almost joyfully abandoning America's responsibility as the leader of the free world and failing to pledge to stand behind our allies as we have previously done since Pearl Harbor were he to take a more strategic and world-aware approach to these tenuous problems he would go a long way toward reinforcing America's dwindling world standing. Instead, his isolationist and jingoistic attitude should only serve to provoke Iran, North Korea and China, give aid and comfort to Putin and his fellow gangsters in Russia and confuse and cause additional worry among our closest allies. Bailing on the Iran deal right now without any provocation or justification whatsoever (other than the fact that the deal was negotiated by the Obama administration and therefore must be nullified without any other consideration) and refusing to consider a more "walk softly/big stick" policy toward North Korea (He threatened to "totally destroy" North Korea over nothing more than Kim Jong-Un's equally-juvenile, endless threats and nothing more) while keeping any serious back-channel negotiations going in an effort to find a peaceful solution to the no-win situation that a potential war on the Korean peninsula, conventional or otherwise, would create while virtually guaranteeing the development of nuclear weapons by Iran would present is irresponsible and just plain stupid. If the shoe fits I guess!

Sorry for the run-on sentences but I am in a hurry and can't take time to edit this. Back to the subject matter, let's hope I'm wrong about all this and he is simply playing a masterful game of chess with the other world powers and these problems will magically disappear. To steal a line from Mayhem, I'm taking the under on this. Anybody wanna bet? :dunno: :facepalm:
 
("Rocket Man"? Really? I hope Elton John sues him. What a predictably juvenile reference!)

Yep.

Instead, his isolationist and jingoistic attitude should only serve to provoke Iran, North Korea and China, give aid and comfort to Putin and his fellow gangsters in Russia and confuse and cause additional worry among our closest allies.

Yep again.

Bailing on the Iran deal right now without any provocation or justification whatsoever (other than the fact that the deal was negotiated by the Obama administration and therefore must be nullified without any other consideration) ...would create while virtually guaranteeing the development of nuclear weapons by Iran would present is irresponsible and just plain stupid. If the shoe fits I guess!

This is the part that baffles me the most. Of COURSE it would lead to the rapid development of nukes by Iran. The stupidity and irresponsibility exhibited here is just fucking mind boggling.

For cripe's sake we currently have oversight of their program via the IAEA, and would have NONE again if the deal is revoked.
The last time conservatives/republicans blew off the IAEA and its inspection information we ended up with a pointless, pre-emptive invasion of Iraq that was arguably the most disastrous foreign policy decision we've ever made (to date).
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Different take on it
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...epted-phone-calls-demands-investigation-leaks

"Less than 24 hours after CNN triggered the latest outbreak of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' by relaying information from anonymous sources that Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manfort has been under surveillance by the FBI since 2014, Manafort has fired back by calling on the Department of Justice to release all transcripts of his tapped phone calls so that the American public "can come to the same conclusion as the DOJ — there is nothing there." Per the Daily Caller:

Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is calling on the Justice Department to release transcripts of any intercepted communications he may have had with foreigners.

Manafort, a longtime Republican political consultant, also called on the Justice Department’s inspector general to investigate the leak of details of secret surveillance warrants obtained by U.S. investigators."



Read more: www.whatreallyhappened.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz4tBU2VnTW
 

Mayhem

Banned
Different take on it
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...epted-phone-calls-demands-investigation-leaks

"Less than 24 hours after CNN triggered the latest outbreak of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' by relaying information from anonymous sources that Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manfort has been under surveillance by the FBI since 2014, Manafort has fired back by calling on the Department of Justice to release all transcripts of his tapped phone calls so that the American public "can come to the same conclusion as the DOJ — there is nothing there." Per the Daily Caller:

Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is calling on the Justice Department to release transcripts of any intercepted communications he may have had with foreigners.

Manafort, a longtime Republican political consultant, also called on the Justice Department’s inspector general to investigate the leak of details of secret surveillance warrants obtained by U.S. investigators."



Read more: www.whatreallyhappened.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz4tBU2VnTW

I just searched. I see nothing to confirm that this "story" is genuine. No other news source is reporting anything close to this. And if it were real, they all would be.

.......I just searched again. Nothing. Only the Daily Caller. If tomorrow, everyone else confirms this, fine. But until they do, I'm calling this fake news. From the Right. As usual.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Which president are they getting close to? If they used a FISA warrant during or after the 2016 election I'd say Former President Stompy Foot has a lot of questions to answer.
 
Which president are they getting close to? If they used a FISA warrant during or after the 2016 election I'd say Former President Stompy Foot has a lot of questions to answer.

There's only one President who's real estate empire has been propped up with Russian mob money laundering.
 

Mayhem

Banned
There's plenty of evidence, including the big mouths of Dear Leader's own demon spawn. And Mueller is compiling and collating. Stay tuned.
 
none of whom are named 'stompyfoot'.

Although ironically, names like that, "dear leader" and "snowflake" far more accurately describe the current president and his cult of fanatics than the previous administration.

I think by the time Mueller is done, there's not going to be anything we don't know about trump. But I don't think it will matter. Ultimately it's what the congress and said cult are prepared to do about it, or even allow to be done about it, that's going to make things really interesting.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Which president are they getting close to?

President Trump. Paul Manafort is his former campaign manager.

f they used a FISA warrant during or after the 2016 election I'd say Former President Stompy Foot has a lot of questions to answer.

The DOJ has said that there is no truth to Trump's allegations against Obama. Read here:

http://time.com/4926141/barack-obama-donald-trump-wiretap-doj/

There's no evidence of that.

It is true that there is no hard evidence that has been presented or officially validated by Mueller's team. There is, however, a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence on which the special counsel may or may not have further elaboration. I'm speculating that they probably do but only they know for sure. I know it's a long and very tangled web but money-laundering schemes usually are by their very design from what I am told. Here is a very detailed and comprehensive timeline that should help everyone gain some sort of understanding about what is going on.

http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/
 
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