The Chinese Effect....

This is not a "Bash China" thread so much as a "Hit the Economic Panic Button" thread. Anyone share these "concerns" about China's economic influence on us? How do we "counter" them? I **** to say this but the only way to fight a powerful economy is with money. Where do we get the money to stand up and negotiate with China...(hint hint)...Saudi Arabia...people.


From the NYTimes...
Editorial--
Irresponsible Threats

Published: August 13, 2007

The last thing China needs is to give American politicians new excuses to erect protectionist defenses against Chinese imports. So it is stupefying that some Chinese officials — with the blessing of the government press — have been talking of using China’s enormous cache of American Treasury bonds as an economic weapon.

The threats started late last month when Xia Bin, head of financial research at a cabinet think tank, said China should use its gargantuan foreign exchange reserves, heavily invested in American Treasury bonds, as a “bargaining chip” in bilateral negotiations.

Then, in The China Daily last week, He Fan, an economist at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, warned that if China’s currency appreciated strongly (as many in Washington are demanding), the central bank would be ****** to sell dollars, “which might lead to a mass depreciation of the U.S. dollar.”

Such warnings may be an unsurprising response to some of the intemperate language coming from Capitol Hill. Nevertheless, they are playing with fire.

Senators Charles Schumer, Lindsey Graham and Charles Grassley, all backers of measures to punish China for undervaluing its currency, pounced. Mr. Grassley wrote to the Chinese ambassador warning that “they’ll only harden people’s views that China is purposely manipulating its currency to gain economic advantage.”

We have consistently argued against such punitive legislation, which could harm America’s economy by unleashing a trade war. But Beijing needs to realize that it would be an even bigger loser in a protectionist fight. Its development strategy hinges on maintaining strong export-led growth. And efforts to diversify its investments into assets beyond American Treasury bonds would likely, and rightly, be blocked if China were seen to use them to pursue agendas other than achieving better returns.

Last month, China invested $3 billion in Blackstone, a private equity group that, through its holdings, is one of America’s largest employers. One state-owned bank is investing billions in Britain’s Barclays Bank. Another is reportedly considering a stake in Bear Stearns.

Yesterday, in an attempt to calm passions, China's central bank announced that it had no plans to sell off its dollar assets.We hope that there will also be a cooling off in some of the rhetoric coming out of Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/13/opinion/13mon3-1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
 
The Chinese wield a lot of power. For example, just think what would happen if they dumped their dollar reserves:eek:which at one point they were threatening to do (rumour quashed). They now own the IBM brand (now Lenevo) but it's good to see the quality of laptops etc has remained as is - excellent quality:thumbsup:They are in 'talks' to own certain segments of the banking system like Barclays and ABN Amro - quite amazing when you think about it. Their financial power is growing on a daily basis. The other thing that's growing is their inflation rate:eek:at an alarming rate.

Good thread/discussion had on this ever so important subject:thumbsup:
 
We are in a real pickle.They are financing our lifestyles.We buy their goods then borrow the money back.We would have to accept a dramatic decrease in lifestyles to take this power they have over us back.They could really make the dollar take a plunge if they started to divest themselves of bonds they have bought from us.This is why they are the economy that is rising while we will decline.They live within their means we don't.
 
Just about the only bargaining chip we can truly bring to the table is to threaten to boycott the Olympics. We could seriously ruin the success of their Olympics. Unfortunately...it's a short-term power move. Once the games end..we're back at Square 1.
 
I absolutely agree with you. And many of them live on an absolute pittance also in dangerous and nasty conditions also.

And when the Chinese buy "American Express"...their citizens too can enjoy living life beyond their means, just like we do...:rolleyes::1orglaugh
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Why we continue to allow the Chinese (and the Japanese, for that matter) to levy prohibitive tariffs against American products for sale in their country without reciprocation is beyond comprehension. This trade imbalance will only worsen if something isn't done soon....especially as the Chinese economy continues to grow significantly over the next 20 years or so.
 
I didn't bother to read the article, I didn't need to. China is on top right now because they are following the exact same model that the US has, and look how it's turned out?

Just for a quick overview: US has industrial boom after WWII. Because of the high costs associated with the manufacturing process, because of the leveling off of the economy as the world market stabalized in the post-war years, as well as consolidation of finanicial powers, and the impractial business formula: hack and burn, buy low sell high AKA. cut and run; that benfits in the short run by having breif high yeilds, but isn't consistant and thus not profitable in the long run, and depletion of resources/environmental damages and clean-up costs skyrocket-- industry slows and then nearly collapses in the 60's and 70's. Military and diplomatic expansion opens up the international market for exploitation. In the 90's trade agreements ship everything overseas for low cost production and labor and imports (just a repeat of the same short-term goals) so that eventually, now, all the assests are shipped out and they aren't being put back into the domestic economy, so there is no more jobs and no more money circulating and it's a recession from that point on.

China is still in the early stages of this downward spiral where they are now having to rely on foriegn investments to suppliment thier domestic economy which is becoming increasingly unproductive. I see them leveling off and declining as well in the next 20 or 30 years. and really with all the **** that's going down, with all the global resource depletion increasing exponetially and market collapses impacting internationally not just domestically, with global warming and polution increasing that factor, with peak oil ****** and the impending crash, who knows how long anything will last.
 
China might be a ruthless totalitarian regime, but in an economical sense they make us look like fools. Even taking into account the corruption government officials have over there they care more about their country's businesses and economic might then we do. Our politicians just sell out to make things easier on the upper tier of society and its effects are slowly starting to be felt more and more. That is unless you're one of the people that actually think things like Wall-Mart and cheap foreign labor are good for us and the world. I wonder how that many people couldn't realize the fact there was a hidden price to pay for all that cheap stuff we let in.
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
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I say screw 'em. If a pair of flip flops has to be 40$ cuz it's made in connecticut.. so be it. Let us pay for our previous excess and burn the fat off our souls in righteous independence from capitalist greed.

The American ***** of a a ferrari in every garage and a huge DLP widescreen in each room? Hell with it. We live in a society where we dont have to worry about much of anything. No shortage of food.. we wont be ****** any given day.. that kinda peace of mind is wealth enough.
 
2012: will China's influence wane or otherwise. and the pegging of the yuan -- how much longer are we gonna let that continue for !
 
I think we have a better nuclear arsinal than they do. I say we sneak ****** those fuckers with nukes and end it right here and now. We could even station some submarines near by and let them launch a few dozen nukes.

Fuck 'em!
 
The Chinese wield a lot of power. For example, just think what would happen if they dumped their dollar reserves

Screw that!

Just imagine the absolute chaos stateside if the Chinese decide to stop producing everything that's sold at Wal-Mart!
 
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