State Terrorism

[mickeit]

Unlike that boasts the American operation in Pakistan was not a victory against terrorism. When a state grants a license to kill, boasts of using torture to obtain results, violates international law, tramples the sovereignty of others, no doubt, practicing a row of crimes that feed the cycle of terror. The summary execution of enemies, the desecration of corpses and disappearance were never positive landmarks of civilization. It is painful to see, but what happened in Pakistan was, by all respects, a model example of the worst and most dangerous type of terrorism: state terrorism.


Note: everything is connected with the recent wave of protests in the Arab world, in which the people of these countries went to the streets calling for democracy and political reform.

 

[Shifty]

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[Hot Mega]

Unlike that boasts the American operation in Pakistan was not a victory against terrorism. When a state grants a license to kill, boasts of using torture to obtain results, violates international law, tramples the sovereignty of others, no doubt, practicing a row of crimes that feed the cycle of terror. The summary execution of enemies, the desecration of corpses and disappearance were never positive landmarks of civilization. It is painful to see, but what happened in Pakistan was, by all respects, a model example of the worst and most dangerous type of terrorism: state terrorism.


Note: everything is connected with the recent wave of protests in the Arab world, in which the people of these countries went to the streets calling for democracy and political reform.

It is a pickle no question. However, what are the alternatives when a criminal syndicate plots and strikes from a sanctuary where the host nation is either incapable or unwilling to intercede?

There are aspects of what you object to that I agree with. I don't think we ought to torture those in our charge. And whereupon we have criminal charges against terrorists who have committed a crime, we should be trying them in the jurisdiction of the crime they committed.

OBL would be considered armed and highly dangerous. As it goes, if he wanted to be taken alive he should have surrendered or not given an impression through his network's actions that he could be rigged with something that might kill those encountering him. In that case, you (he) won't even get a chance to breathe hard before you'd get a bullet in the chest or head.

 

[Trident1]

You don't play footsie with jihadists. You kill them, or capture then water board then kill. If it were up to me I'd dig a ditch, throw in the jihadists and bury them alive.

 

[domshooter]

It is a pickle no question. However, what are the alternatives when a criminal syndicate plots and strikes from a sanctuary where the host nation is either incapable or unwilling to intercede?

There are aspects of what you object to that I agree with. I don't think we ought to torture those in our charge. And whereupon we have criminal charges against terrorists who have committed a crime, we should be trying them in the jurisdiction of the crime they committed.

OBL would be considered armed and highly dangerous. As it goes, if he wanted to be taken alive he should have surrendered or not give the impression through his networks actions that he could be rigged with something that might kill those encountering him. In that case, you won't even get a chance to breathe hard before you get a bullet in the chest or head.

unfortunately a majority of the countries that we need assistance from in our fight against terrorism (like you said) either dont give a fuck, or they help out to the bare minimum/screw us with false info as Pakistan has in the past.

i think we should use any means necessary to capture or kill all those who want to hurt us, and our allies. its a dirty business, and even though i consider myself a hardass on the subject, i cant say that i enjoy it. but it must be done. or our childrens children will pay the price.

 

[Ulysses31]

I would like to have seen the SEALS do their best to take him alive and only shoot to kill if they felt they were in imminent danger. Cold blooded execution is not a road we want to go down as a civilised nation(s), this is something we associate with them, I don't say this with pity for OBL but rather the degradation of our own moral and ethical values where revenge takes precedent over justice, let's not let them drag us down to their level as this is exactly what they want. I would have liked to see OBL as a prisoner of the country he taunted for so long and then face the families of all the victims of 9/11 as well as those worldwide, make him stare them in the eye as they talk about who they lost but show they didn't let him break them. We might have killed him but I'm sure he was ready to go and was probably surprised he lasted for so long, this way he lived a free man until the day he died a 'martyr' at the hands of the US.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Bin Laden's killing was legal under U.S. and International Law.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704810504576305470980463628.html

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Unlike that boasts the American operation in Pakistan was not a victory against terrorism. When a state grants a license to kill, boasts of using torture to obtain results, violates international law, tramples the sovereignty of others, no doubt, practicing a row of crimes that feed the cycle of terror. The summary execution of enemies, the desecration of corpses and disappearance were never positive landmarks of civilization. It is painful to see, but what happened in Pakistan was, by all respects, a model example of the worst and most dangerous type of terrorism: state terrorism.


Note: everything is connected with the recent wave of protests in the Arab world, in which the people of these countries went to the streets calling for democracy and political reform.

What, you want us to just stroll up in a "black and white" and throw cuffs on him? The real kicker here is (I believe) why the rest of the world isn't on board, considering over a hundred nations were represented during 9-11. That's always baffled me.

 

[mickeit]

the spirit of vengeance that inhabits the common sense has led to what some have called "celebrations with a touch of necrophilia. " The People of the United States, shouting in the streets was simply a spectacle of horror to the world. The terrorist in that there could never be arrested and tried for his crimes because he knew too much, American politicians had to delete that file with a lot of beard that was hiding in Pakistan ......

Do not forget that the radicals and fanatics around the world gained a new martiry, perhaps this is the true mission of the SEALs

 

[mickeit]

Bin Laden's killing was legal under U.S. and International Law.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704810504576305470980463628.html

Like Guantanamo and Iraq invasion........

 

[tiger1977]

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[sleep]

Unlike that boasts the American operation in Pakistan was not a victory against terrorism. When a state grants a license to kill, boasts of using torture to obtain results, violates international law, tramples the sovereignty of others, no doubt, practicing a row of crimes that feed the cycle of terror. The summary execution of enemies, the desecration of corpses and disappearance were never positive landmarks of civilization. It is painful to see, but what happened in Pakistan was, by all respects, a model example of the worst and most dangerous type of terrorism: state terrorism.


Note: everything is connected with the recent wave of protests in the Arab world, in which the people of these countries went to the streets calling for democracy and political reform.

State terrorism? You mean like Iraq under Saddam Hussein?

Now "that" was State sponcered terrorism!

 

[Straight Shooter]

the spirit of vengeance that inhabits the common sense has led to what some have called "celebrations with a touch of necrophilia. " The People of the United States, shouting in the streets was simply a spectacle of horror to the world. The terrorist in that there could never be arrested and tried for his crimes because he knew too much, American politicians had to delete that file with a lot of beard that was hiding in Pakistan ......

Do not forget that the radicals and fanatics around the world gained a new martiry, perhaps this is the true mission of the SEALs

Were you saying the same thing after 9/11 when we saw the Palestinians celebrating the attacks?

 

[ragincaucasian]

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[Ulysses31]

Were you saying the same thing after 9/11 when we saw the Palestinians celebrating the attacks?

LOL Do people still believe this video, I've already talked about it before. Out of a population of 4 million Palestinians you're shown a handful (under 100) on the streets, mainly children celebrating being given sweets and excited by the camera (media is normally banned in Palestine). How many women and children do you normally see at anti-American demos?, where are the 1000s of adult men that you normally get when there is a demo in Gaza or the West Bank? Where is the US flag burning that you normally get in anti-American demos? I find WTC's YouTube video's more believable than this. Think about what I said, if you watched the video whilst not being told what it was would you really think it was an anti-American demo where they forgot to bring US flags to burn? ps Even in the off chance it was genuine, not really much of a turnout for a country of 4 million is it and hardly any adult males there at that.

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=4407983&postcount=116

 

[knowone]

Bin Laden's killing was legal under U.S. and International Law.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704810504576305470980463628.html

Congress can't pass something that exempts the US from International Law.

 

[bustybbwlover]

You don't play footsie with jihadists. You kill them, or capture then water board then kill. If it were up to me I'd dig a ditch, throw in the jihadists and bury them alive.

do you suppose somewhere in the world some jihadist is saying: you don't play footsie with americans. you kill them, or capture then videotape torture and then decapitation. if it were up to me i'd dig a ditch, throw in the americans and bury them alive.

 

[georges]

you don't negotiate with terrorists, you kill them as well as their friends

 

[Supafly]

If Al Qaida would have said, 'We are going after every person voting in senate for sending troups into our countries', or 'We are going after every US soldier abroad', or US diplomatic personnell, I would say, you could have dealt with them on another level.

But it is clear enough, they want to kill every US citizen, and they go after tourists, women, children, and with bombs that do not specifically kill, rather tear apart and mutilate as many innocent people as possible.

Persons of the kind of Bin Laden need to be killed in order to prevent them for doing more harm. This is an act of self-defence.

If a group of people openly and repeatedly post videos about them going to kill you and your family, and have bombed some of the homes where you and your family live, are you going to grab your gun and prevent them for doing more of this?

Or will you wait until someone finds them and takes them to court some fine day, while your family suffers on and on?

 

[frodo60]

I would like to have seen the SEALS do their best to take him alive and only shoot to kill if they felt they were in imminent danger. Cold blooded execution is not a road we want to go down as a civilised nation(s), this is something we associate with them, I don't say this with pity for OBL but rather the degradation of our own moral and ethical values where revenge takes precedent over justice, let's not let them drag us down to their level as this is exactly what they want. I would have liked to see OBL as a prisoner of the country he taunted for so long and then face the families of all the victims of 9/11 as well as those worldwide, make him stare them in the eye as they talk about who they lost but show they didn't let him break them. We might have killed him but I'm sure he was ready to go and was probably surprised he lasted for so long, this way he lived a free man until the day he died a 'martyr' at the hands of the US.

100#5 agree.

By all means kill them if they pose an immediate danger, but 1st option should always be to take them alive and lock them up for their natural life in a 1mx1m prison cell without any contact with women.