Stairway to Plagiarism

‘No Stairway, Denied!’ Led Zeppelin Lawsuit Winds on Down the Road


Is Led Zeppelin guilty of plagiarizing its most iconic song? ‘Stairway to Heaven’ would hardly be the first time the band faced legal action for borrowing too liberally.

When Wayne Campbell, the public-access cable host/hockey enthusiast played by Mike Myers, visits a music store in the 1992 comedy Wayne’s World, he knows exactly what he wants to play. Picking up a guitar, he launches into the first few notes of Led Zeppelin’s “Stairway to Heaven” only to be cut short by a clerk pointing to a sign reading “No ‘Stairway to Heaven.’”

The joke’s pretty simple: Virtually all aspiring rockers, at least from Wayne’s era, attempt to learn that song early on and use it to impress their friends. The joke got more complicated, and less funny, when Led Zeppelin refused to allow those notes to appear in any versions of the film after its theatrical release, from VHS to cable airings. In the film’s current form, Wayne picks up a guitar and plays a few random notes that sound nothing like “Stairway,” rendering the gag incomprehensible in the name of the band’s legal rights over the song.

Now the group finds itself on the other side of a legal claim concerning its “Stairway to Heaven,” thanks to a lawsuit filed by The Randy Craig Wolfe Trust, which controls the intellectual property of the musician better known as Randy California, founder of the band Spirit. (California died in 1997 while rescuing his son from drowning in Hawaii.) Yesterday the suit overcame the band’s first attempt to dismiss it or move the case to California from its original venue in Philadelphia, where it was filed by Pennsylvania-based lawyer Francis Alexander on May 31.

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So they've faced plagiarism lawsuits for a couple of their other well-known songs too?

:clap:

Way to go, frauds.
 
This is joke, right ?!
A lawsuit for a few notes on a 10 minutes song ? 43 years after the song was published ? 17 years after the author of the "original" song (who never spoke about this) died ?!

And for those who would answer me : I'm not a Led Zeppelin fan...
 

bobjustbob

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I had to strain really hard to pick up anything remotely close to Stairway.
 

BlkHawk

Closed Account
The guitar riff in the middle of the first clip is prety similar to some of Stairway, but I think it is more a matter of coincidence, as the rest of the songs soind nothing a like.
 
It's pretty clearly a rip off, imo. But at this point, what's the point of a lawsuit?

Most Zeppelin songs are rip offs. They're the Dane Cook of classic rock.
 

Harpsman

Light one for Me
This is joke, right ?!
A lawsuit for a few notes on a 10 minutes song ? 43 years after the song was published ? 17 years after the author of the "original" song (who never spoke about this) died ?!

And for those who would answer me : I'm not a Led Zeppelin fan...

10 seconds?? Look what happened The Verve with Bitter Sweet Symphony.
 

Patrick_S

persona non grata
I fucking knew it!!! The Dictators were right all along. This is what they had to say about the music climate in the mid 70s (taken from the booklet in the CD version of their Bloodbrothers album):

"The Stones and The Who were still around but the best American music was being made and appreciated in small isolated pockets of the country. In our little world The MC5, The Stooges, The Flamin´Groovies ruled, but in the bigger picture, America´s teenage hearts and minds were being rotted by screechy English pussies wearing their mommy´s clothes and playing a parody of American blues (and often stealing the writing credit)."
 

Supafly

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I think if a cake is as massive - and the prize is eternal fame for the world's ultimate rock anthem, no shot is too cheap, no similarity too random.
 
You wanna hear some real plagiarism ?

00'00" - 00'52" : Tunisiano - Je Porte Plainte (2008)
00'53 - 01'54" : Nightwish - Everdream (2004)

And the funniest part is the title of the song : "Je porte plainte" : In english it means "I press charges" :facepalm: Of course Tunisiano ended with a lawsuit against him...
 

Harpsman

Light one for Me
Listen to Gene Clark's "With Tomorrow" and see if you can guess where Pink Floyd got the riff for Wish You Were Here from.
 
Also there is the aspect that after countless thousands of songs have been created it's pretty much impossible to create a new one without some coincidental similarities with one of the previous songs humanity has come up with in history. Leaving aside the time that has passed which should rightfully be enough to make any lawsuit a joke, any copying of a song has to be extremely blatant and extensive for anybody else to have a reasonable cause to file any suit over it in my opinion.
 
You wanna hear some real plagiarism ?

00'00" - 00'52" : Tunisiano - Je Porte Plainte (2008)
00'53 - 01'54" : Nightwish - Everdream (2004)

And the funniest part is the title of the song : "Je porte plainte" : In english it means "I press charges" :facepalm: Of course Tunisiano ended with a lawsuit against him...


This does not bring glory to Finland.

Points for France.
 
There is a saying that my friend picked up while working on his PhD: Stealing from one is plagerism, stealing from many is research.
 

John_8581

FreeOnes Lifetime Member
This is joke, right ?!
A lawsuit for a few notes on a 10 minutes song ? 43 years after the song was published ? 17 years after the author of the "original" song (who never spoke about this) died ?!

And for those who would answer me : I'm not a Led Zeppelin fan...

They've (the remaining living original ex-members of Spirit; Jay Ferguson and Mark Andes) have been talking about this (bringing a lawsuit) for over 2 decades. I'm glad the Estates of Randy California, John Locke and Ed Cassidy are finally bringing the lawsuit. Let's see how it plays out. If the judge dismisses it, so be it. But it will be interesting to see.

You may call it water under the bridge. Not a big deal. Is it greed and jealousy? Or something else?

By the way, four things you've got to remember and consider:

1. Led Zeppelin was the backup band in concerts with Spirit in 1969. "Fresh Garbage" was a song they allowed Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Paul Jones and John Bonham to play.
2. They were all good friends when alive. There would not have been a lawsuit. Like I said again, call it greed and/or professional jealousy...
3. John Bonham's mentor was Ed Cassidy because Cassidy didn't use his drumsticks to hit his drum kit. In some cases, he used his bare hands when playing.
4. And for that, Bonzo admired him.

By the way, it took the magistrate in the George Harrison vs. The Chiffons and Allen Klein lawsuit eighteen (18) years to come to a decision in the "My Sweet Lord"/"He's So Fine" case. :)
 

John_8581

FreeOnes Lifetime Member
:2offtopic

Let's talk about something else for a bit .... here's another Spirit song...

"Nature's Way" vs. Cheap Trick's "The Flame" ;)



The same rhythm and beats in the opening notes ... One played with an acoustic guitar and bass drum (Spirit) vs. lead and rhythm guitars (Cheap Trick)
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I wonder if Jason, will fill in for John on this gig too......
 

Mayhem

Banned
What a load of bullshit. Blues musicians have been "plagiarizing" each other long before Zeppelin came along. And after. Both Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eric Clapton unabashedly "stole" from Albert King. Zeppelin considered themselves latter day Robert Johnsons. Rolling Stones = Howlin' Wolf. The list goes on.

As Johan said, it's a little fuckin' late at this point to be crying about it.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
What a load of bullshit. Blues musicians have been "plagiarizing" each other long before Zeppelin came along. And after. Both Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eric Clapton unabashedly "stole" from Albert King. Zeppelin considered themselves latter day Robert Johnsons. Rolling Stones = Howlin' Wolf. The list goes on.

As Johan said, it's a little fuckin' late at this point to be crying about it.

It's never to late to tie up our court system with frivolous bullshit...for gods sake man, a murderer might get his day in court.
 
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