Sarah Palin: Is She Really Going To Make a Difference In The Election??

[Hoodoo]

Give me your thoughts on if sarah palin did what the republicans were trying to do. and we all know what it was they was trying to do....gain more women voters who were torn between obama and mccain..especially women voters who were supporters of hilary clinton and didn't want to support obama who wasn't that much different from hilary clinton in my opinion....and all the women i have spoken to say that with her on the repubs ticket doent make a differece to them the oens who were always for obama are with obama and the ones who were always for mccain are stil with him.....and yes i have seen the gallup polls and all that

but my question is...do you think she really made THAT much of a difference or not much....??

 

[Torre82]

In a country that stood by Bush for 8 years, bought into the big-oil-against-John-Kerry antics and such.. are we expecting too much of the American public?

I believe a quote works well here:

"The best argument against a democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
Winston Churchill

Indeed, it's difficult to truly decide if what is good for people.. is really what the people want. Does everyone remember that saying on the walls of our old classrooms?

"What is popular is not always right, what is right is not always popular."

But that's just rhetoric considering the state of politics. Politicians are merely actors with the ego to believe themselves right.. and turn others to their cause. Further rhetoric would be likening a politician to a cult leader.. each has the ability to brainwash and change the course of history.. one can kill a dozen and be called evil. One can kill thousands and never have to answer to anyone. Which is worse? ::shrug::

Sarah Palin is inexperienced and we're handing her a loaded gun with the VP backing. She'll either crumble.. or we all will. Dramatic, but realistic.

 

[tubuler]

Torre said it better than I can.

As for my opinion on whether or not putting Palin on the ticket helped the McCain campaign. I would have to say her addition to the republican ticket has done wonders for the GOP. Before she came along Obama dominated the news cycle. Now Palin dominates it. The media is obsessed with this woman. She's really taken a lot of wind out of Obamas sails. And that's exactly what the move to put her on the ticket was designed to do.

 

[hedonis]

I think you guys are being overly dramatic. What you should be worried about isn't the vice president. It's the lawmaking body, which currently has an approval rating somewhere around 14%. They make far more influential decisions, and have a much greater impact on the economy, and the well-being of America than the vice president.

H

 

[Facetious]

She's a hella engaging woman. She's pleasant, attractive, pragmatic, isn't an attorney ! rejects the failure option, knows her (our) rightful energy sources, is upbeat and generally, has an attitude that can't be beat. I also like her sexy - milfy school girl glasses !! :rubbel::scream:
I'm so sick and tired of the Awashington establishment / complex of which has been failing us for the last twenty years.

Look at biden's family - one son is an atty general -> Yawn
The other is a lobbyist involved with sleazy dealings.
Just a bunch of self interest deck stackers !

No thanks !

 

[Torre82]

I think you guys are being overly dramatic. What you should be worried about isn't the vice president. It's the lawmaking body, which currently has an approval rating somewhere around 14%. They make far more influential decisions, and have a much greater impact on the economy, and the well-being of America than the vice president.

H

By all means, start up a grassroots campaign to elect better lawmakers. I'll be dead a few years after you succeed. Hell, if you get somewhere I might even join ya on the campaign trail. Best of luck to ya!

 

[DreamSparrow]

She already has. Choosing her as the candidate for VP has already swayed uncomfortably large numbers to McCain according to opinion polls. Nevermind that she's a climate change denying creationist simpleton, she's somewhat attractive and wears sexy specs. I guess that's all that counts for the mouth-breathing morons who are going to determine the outcome of the election.

 

[No_Man]

Give me your thoughts on if sarah palin did what the republicans were trying to do. and we all know what it was they was trying to do....gain more women voters who were torn between obama and mccain..especially women voters who were supporters of hilary clinton and didn't want to support obama who wasn't that much different from hilary clinton in my opinion....and all the women i have spoken to say that with her on the repubs ticket doent make a differece to them the oens who were always for obama are with obama and the ones who were always for mccain are stil with him.....and yes i have seen the gallup polls and all that

but my question is...do you think she really made THAT much of a difference or not much....??

Personally, I think going after women was a red herring. Yes, he'd like it if that happened, but he wasn't counting on it. Picking Palin was about energizing the base. About not just picking someone that the core of the Republican party would approve of, but someone who would make them excited about voting. And yet, at the same time, picking someone who would could still fit into his "maverick" image. There weren't a whole lot of people, male or female, who could meet all those demands, and McCain just got lucky that the one who could might also skim a few Clinton voters away too.

 

[Torre82]

Personally, I think going after women was a red herring. Yes, he'd like it if that happened, but he wasn't counting on it. Picking Palin was about energizing the base. About not just picking someone that the core of the Republican party would approve of, but someone who would make them excited about voting. And yet, at the same time, picking someone who would could still fit into his "maverick" image. There weren't a whole lot of people, male or female, who could meet all those demands, and McCain just got lucky that the one who could might also skim a few Clinton voters away too.

Communism's just a red herring. (at 2:50)

Energizing the base. It worked. The media is definitely focusing on her, but they're hiding her away for the most part. She's not answering questions, she's campaigning for a job she isnt ready for. PTA mom? Creationism but she's praising fossil oil? People are falling for this because she's attractive and has some fire (and brimstone) in her gut? (Damned blue collar simpletons and small town bullshit! argh!)

Oh dear lord what the friggin' fuck? Yeah, attractive people get shorter prison sentences, get out of police tickets easily, get bigger tips.. but you dont hand over the whole country to a hottie. Senator Clinton was better qualified to be prez or vice prez, but the people spoke out against that. Overwhelmingly in support of 'The Black Guy'. At least the dem's spoke out.

I dont really know what to say.. anger and flaming arent my style but that's about all I really want to express about the republican ticket this election.

::shakes head:: People blindly leading us into four to eight more years of the same shit. Do people really hate 'hippy liberals' and dems so much?

 

[panther]

I think you guys are being overly dramatic. What you should be worried about isn't the vice president. It's the lawmaking body, which currently has an approval rating somewhere around 14%. They make far more influential decisions, and have a much greater impact on the economy, and the well-being of America than the vice president.

H

I agree! It's Nancy Pelosi (3rd in line) I am worried about.

 

[Facetious]

Nevermind that she's a climate change denying

To suggest that we know precisely what is going on in the realm of globe warm / climate change is as crazy as one's belief in religion itself ! (devil's advo) :tongue:

creationist simpleton,

Why not just champion diversity ? She may worship whoever she likes . . or not. I elect my politicians on account of how I believe they will serve the best interests of America, not the interests of a given religious, or areligious ideology. What is important is that she not bring her household virtues (or problems) to work with her and that she likes guns ! Also, that she not mash the surface of the podium shouting " . . . . . . My People . . . . . . My People . . . . "

 

[Friday on my mind]

I think you guys are being overly dramatic. What you should be worried about isn't the vice president. It's the lawmaking body, which currently has an approval rating somewhere around 14%. They make far more influential decisions, and have a much greater impact on the economy, and the well-being of America than the vice president.

H

Sometimes that is the case but it wasn't for almost all the Bush Presidency.He had a republican house and senate which was almost always willing to "rubber stamp" his policys and pass what he wanted for most of his presidency.And lets not underestimate the power of the Presidency under any circumstance.The bully pulpit,veto power etc.Even now with both the house and senate with dem majority's Bush is able to block just about anything with the veto threat.Dems don't have veto proof majority's and while there is an outside chance with the almost sure gains they make next election that they get to that position I would not count on it.So the bottom line is if McCain was to win which would mean a republican president vs dem congress you could count on almost total gridlock.Some people would think that is a good thing but I think most Americans think the times are getting to where we need to have some movement and don't see gridlock as acceptable.So as the slogan goes if you want 'Change" the only real hope for that is to elect Obama the democrate.

 

[hedonis]

Sometimes that is the case but it wasn't for almost all the Bush Presidency.He had a republican house and senate which was almost always willing to "rubber stamp" his policys and pass what he wanted for most of his presidency.And lets not underestimate the power of the Presidency under any circumstance.The bully pulpit,veto power etc.Even now with both the house and senate with dem majority's Bush is able to block just about anything with the veto threat.Dems don't have veto proof majority's and while there is an outside chance with the almost sure gains they make next election that they get to that position I would not count on it.So the bottom line is if McCain was to win which would mean a republican president vs dem congress you could count on almost total gridlock.Some people would think that is a good thing but I think most Americans think the times are getting to where we need to have some movement and don't see gridlock as acceptable.So as the slogan goes if you want 'Change" the only real hope for that is to elect Obama the democrate.

Well, don't discount McCain's ability to work with democrats, either. Palin hasn't always been so "republican-friendly" either.

I really dispute the notion that the only real hope for change is Obama. The solution to the American economy is not, never has been, and never will be, to tax business owners and wealthy people into submission. They buy things, they own businesses, they hire people. Crushing them financially is not a long-term, viable solution to anything except allowing the government to gain more and more power and control.

He's a charismatic guy with a great knack for giving speeches, but the ideas he has are just not sustainable. He wants us to be energy-independent in ten years, but he really hasn't said how. Wind and solar are not capable of doing that alone. Everyone seems to hate oil and oil companies, but it's a fact- oil drives not only the American economy, but the WORLD economy. Why is Venezuela currently being so asshole-ish? Simple, they have lots of oil, and they need to sell it far more than we need to buy it.

There's a lot made of Barack Obama's personal habits, associations, etc. I don't give too much of a shit about a Reverend he knows, but it's what he'll do as president I care about. He has some ideas that just aren't making a lot of sense to me. His energy policy is one, but his foreign policy is another. This week, Bush is taking heat for having our boys execute a raid in Pakistan. Didn't Barack Obama say he'd invade Pakistan if made president? Yes, he did.

I would recommend (and I'm not picking on anyone in particular) actually go and really read BOTH candidates views, ideas, websites, etc. Listen to speeches, and make up your mind when you know more about everyone. Shit, check out the other candidates besides the donkeys and elephants. I actually lean FAR more libertarian than Republican or Democrat, but the libertarians never seem to put up a candidate that hasn't just wiggled out of a straight jacket.


Anyhow- this post is getting long Yes, she's made a difference in the election, and will make a difference in the election. Think about how historic this November's going to be: America's first black president, or America's first female vice president. :hatsoff:

H

 

[Friday on my mind]

Well, don't discount McCain's ability to work with democrats, either. Palin hasn't always been so "republican-friendly" either.

I really dispute the notion that the only real hope for change is Obama. The solution to the American economy is not, never has been, and never will be, to tax business owners and wealthy people into submission. They buy things, they own businesses, they hire people. Crushing them financially is not a long-term, viable solution to anything except allowing the government to gain more and more power and control.

He's a charismatic guy with a great knack for giving speeches, but the ideas he has are just not sustainable. He wants us to be energy-independent in ten years, but he really hasn't said how. Wind and solar are not capable of doing that alone. Everyone seems to hate oil and oil companies, but it's a fact- oil drives not only the American economy, but the WORLD economy. Why is Venezuela currently being so asshole-ish? Simple, they have lots of oil, and they need to sell it far more than we need to buy it.

There's a lot made of Barack Obama's personal habits, associations, etc. I don't give too much of a shit about a Reverend he knows, but it's what he'll do as president I care about. He has some ideas that just aren't making a lot of sense to me. His energy policy is one, but his foreign policy is another. This week, Bush is taking heat for having our boys execute a raid in Pakistan. Didn't Barack Obama say he'd invade Pakistan if made president? Yes, he did.

I would recommend (and I'm not picking on anyone in particular) actually go and really read BOTH candidates views, ideas, websites, etc. Listen to speeches, and make up your mind when you know more about everyone. Shit, check out the other candidates besides the donkeys and elephants. I actually lean FAR more libertarian than Republican or Democrat, but the libertarians never seem to put up a candidate that hasn't just wiggled out of a straight jacket.


Anyhow- this post is getting long Yes, she's made a difference in the election, and will make a difference in the election. Think about how historic this November's going to be: America's first black president, or America's first female vice president. :hatsoff:

H

If McCain wins and wants to go along with things like Universal health care which I think he might then maybe some change will ocur,but if he opposes such things not much will happen.And while I may think what Obama has proposed is much more on the right track my real point was whether it is something you see as good or bad the chance for change is much stronger with his election.

 

[Facetious]

What kind of "change" ?

Please specify

 

[Friday on my mind]

What kind of "change" ?

Please specify

Anything that is different than what we have now is change.At some point anything different looks better and more appealing.I will not go into all the different specifics of what would be different as again that was not my real point and most people have a fair idea of what the two parties and candidates are at odds on anyway.But there is an undeniable mood in the country that we are on the wrong track and change is needed.Thats what Obama has been running on since day one and now McCain even is saying he is about change.The real question is who really will be a change or not.McCain has not laid out nearly enough real differences with the current administration to claim he is any real change.As Obama said in his convention speech the choice is between the somewhat maybe unknown(him) and the unacceptable(McCain and the continued same policys of the past).

 

[ChefChiTown]

Sarah Palin: Is She Really Going To Make a Difference In The Election??

Yes, she is. She turned what was looking to be a very good, hard fought election into a complete circus of jokes.

I was actually looking forward to this upcoming election, but ever since Sarah Palin has entered the picture, everything has become a completely ridiculous, pathetically obvious and see-through attempt (by both candidates) to do whatever it takes to "identify" with the voters, even if it makes all of the candidates look like complete tools.

I'm not saying that Sarah Palin is personally responsible for this, but McCain's decision to choose her as a running mate is.

 

[historylover]

I think you guys are being overly dramatic. What you should be worried about isn't the vice president. It's the lawmaking body, which currently has an approval rating somewhere around 14%. They make far more influential decisions, and have a much greater impact on the economy, and the well-being of America than the vice president.

H

:bowdown::thumbsup:

She's a hella engaging woman. She's pleasant, attractive, pragmatic, isn't an attorney ! rejects the failure option, knows her (our) rightful energy sources, is upbeat and generally, has an attitude that can't be beat. I also like her sexy - milfy school girl glasses !! :rubbel::scream:
I'm so sick and tired of the Awashington establishment / complex of which has been failing us for the last twenty years.

Look at biden's family - one son is an atty general -> Yawn
The other is a lobbyist involved with sleazy dealings.
Just a bunch of self interest deck stackers !

No thanks !

:yesyes:

 

[kuruption]

Believe it or not, a few thousand people already changed their vote to Republican just because Palin is hot. Never underestimate the power of a MILF. :thumbsup:

 

[CunningStunts]

Believe it or not, a few thousand people already changed their vote to Republican just because Palin is hot. Never underestimate the power of a MILF. :thumbsup:

Bingo! Not to mention a lot of working and/or family women identify with her.. and she like guns and hunting to boot. Brilliant choice IMHO. :thumbsup: