Reinstating Leno on the Tonight Show
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Jimmy Fallon screwed it all up! :hatsoff:
Damn it! Now they have to go a step back, figure things out, and push forward once again! :tongue:
Damn it! Now they have to go a step back, figure things out, and push forward once again! :tongue:
roronoa3000
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What about Conan! NOOOOOO!!!
Leno go to ABC. Then it can be him and Kimmel or CBS and move Letterman to 12:30. Leave Conan alone, damn you.
Leno go to ABC. Then it can be him and Kimmel or CBS and move Letterman to 12:30. Leave Conan alone, damn you.
ChefChiTown
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They never should've changed in the first place. Ever since Conan took over on The Tonight Show, Conan hasn't been the same. His show sucks now and he definitely needs to go back to being the true LATE night show.
Conan seems out of place. I checked him out to see how he was doing since the move and he does not come off the same.
Talk about spilling the ratings pot all around.
Talk about spilling the ratings pot all around.
Conan was my favorite late night talk show host. Late Night was great, but his move to the Tonight Show has been very disappointing. For the most part some lame guests, the monologue is terrible, not funny at all. Nothing wrong with Conan just the show. Ive changed my viewership to the Scottish Conan guy. Unfortunately Craig is on a bit past my bedtime, but he has the best monologue on late night tv. Very funny.
Everybody except a few NBC executives though it was a horrible nonsensical idea well before they first changed where they were and the shows they were on, and it ended up indeed horrible. It goes to show how executive meddling can ruin things so utterly. Now it's a mess, and there is no easy way to fix it, but NBC got what they deserved.
IF it had worked, it would have saved NBC a few million $ a week in 10pm Prime Time shows, and they were losing that time period anyway most days.
The big problem is no one can replace Johnny Carson.
Isn’t that like saying IF I won the lottery all my problems would be solved? It wouldn't be a very good idea to have that be my plan for success.
From what I understand it was just a ploy to get more younger people watching the late night shows. That's why they replaced him with Conan. Instead they just screwed both of them over and themselves.
Almost none of that is Conans fault. His show is a bit tamer, but that's mostly because NBC has been absolutely awful in how overbearing they are. They've expected him to dominate the ratings from the very beginning, without realizing that that doesn't happen, and that it takes time for new hosts to catch on.
Leno took almost three full years after replacing Carson to take the ratings in that time slot, and he never had to deal with the train wreck that is the Jay Leno show directly proceeding him. Top that off with the fact that NBC has booked Leno all of the top tier guests, and it's no wonder why Conan hasn't drawn yet. People just don't want to watch Leno anymore, and they don't want to watch two full hours of talk shows at that time. Ultimately, this is NBCs fault for starting this idiocy, I'm just sorry that Conan had to deal with it, as through this entire thing, he's been the only classy part of that corporation. I said back when Conan took over The Tonight Show that NBC would get into trouble in the long run if they kept Leno on, and it seems now more than ever that they should've just let him walk.
On a side note, I think Craig Ferguson is pretty good too. My routine usually starts with Letterman at 11, Conan at 11:35, and then Ferguson at 12.
I'm just grateful to get Conan back. CNBC (which is primarily a financial channel here in Britain) used to show both the Tonight Show with Leno and Late Night with Conan on week nights. Then they dropped Conan and just showed a half hour Tonight Show during the week with full episodes at weekends. So, now that he's on the Tonight Show, I get to see Conan again.
Eh, Conan put up solid numbers before coming to the Tonight Show, and his ratings have only really come down since Leno started up again, because people are turning off Leno and not coming back.
I don't know. Leno had a show in front of him for years before this, and it didn't seem to hurt either one of them.
NBC should know better than this.
Conan, no matter how good he was going to be, was definately not going to be drawing the numbers of Leno in his freshman year as the host of "The Tonight Show". It didn't happen with Leno following Johnny Carson, and it wasn't going to happen with Conan either. If memory serves me correctly, after Carson's departure, Leno was basically getting his ass handed to him each and every weeknight by Letterman for years until 1995 where Hugh Grant, right in the middle of the Divine Brown scandal and the film "Nine Months" about to hit, chose to go on Leno. This was a very big deal. The appearance drew big ratings, and practically gave Leno the shot in the arm that "The Tonight Show" desperately needed at that time.
Throwing Leno BEFORE Conan was a obvious sign of desperation, but this idea of Leno possibly being reinstated is just pathetic.
NBC ... my how the once mighty have fallen.
Conan, no matter how good he was going to be, was definately not going to be drawing the numbers of Leno in his freshman year as the host of "The Tonight Show". It didn't happen with Leno following Johnny Carson, and it wasn't going to happen with Conan either. If memory serves me correctly, after Carson's departure, Leno was basically getting his ass handed to him each and every weeknight by Letterman for years until 1995 where Hugh Grant, right in the middle of the Divine Brown scandal and the film "Nine Months" about to hit, chose to go on Leno. This was a very big deal. The appearance drew big ratings, and practically gave Leno the shot in the arm that "The Tonight Show" desperately needed at that time.
Throwing Leno BEFORE Conan was a obvious sign of desperation, but this idea of Leno possibly being reinstated is just pathetic.
NBC ... my how the once mighty have fallen.
According to Nielsen ratings, Conan and Letterman went back and forth until early September, and in the month following Leno's launch, Conan's ratings went down 12%. Then Lenos ratings really tanked in November and early December, and overall viewership shrunk to roughly 35% of what it started at, and now Letterman is handily winning night after night. Even Fallon, who brought Late Night up to beat the Late Late show easily during the summer suddenly fell off as soon as Leno started.
The pattern here is pretty clear: Leno has pretty much killed NBC late night, and more specifically The Tonight Show. TV critics have even begun labeling it "the Leno effect".
Maybe Conan should have an affair to boost his ratings :tongue:
Yeah. NBC is shooting themselves in the foot. I stick with Jimmy Kimmel and Craig Ferguson if I watch any of these shows. Sucks how they have a hit on their hands like Conan and then restrict him in what he does best by squeezing the iron fist tighter around him.
Yeah. NBC is shooting themselves in the foot. I stick with Jimmy Kimmel and Craig Ferguson if I watch any of these shows. Sucks how they have a hit on their hands like Conan and then restrict him in what he does best by squeezing the iron fist tighter around him.
I don't watch the NBC late night shows but this situation does indeed suck for Conan.
I feel bad for Conan and even Jimmy Fallon. NBC is letting Leno do what the Packer's wouldn't let Brett Favre do. I guess the only difference is that Brett Favre continues to deliver and Jay Leno continues to blow.
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