Parents in prayer death get probation, some jail

poor child R.I.P. :(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33199720/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Wis. couple turned to faith instead of medical care for their dying daughter

updated 6:31 p.m. PT, Tues., Oct . 6, 2009
WAUSAU, Wis. - A central Wisconsin couple who prayed rather than seeking medical care for their 11-year-old dying daughter were sentenced Tuesday to six months in jail and 10 years probation in the girl's death.

Dale and Leilani Neumann could have received up to 25 years in prison for second-degree homicide in the March 2008 death of Madeline Neumann, who died of an undiagnosed but treatable form of diabetes. Prosecutors had asked for a three-year suspended prison sentence and 10 years probation. Defense attorneys had sought four years probation.

Marathon County Circuit Court Judge Vincent Howard told the Neumanns they were "very good people, raising their family who made a bad decision, a reckless decision."

"God probably works through other people," he told the parents, "some of them doctors."

The case was believed to be the first of its kind in Wisconsin involving faith healing in which someone died and another person was charged with a homicide.

‘A martyr to your faith’

Prosecutors contended the Neumanns recklessly killed their youngest of four children by ignoring obvious symptoms of severe illness as she became too weak to speak, eat, drink or walk. They said the couple had a legal duty to take the girl to a doctor but relied totally on prayer for healing.

"We are here today because to some, you made Kara a martyr to your faith," Howard told the parents.

In testimony at trial and videotaped interviews with police, the parents said they believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her and summoned others to do the same. A friend who was at the family's rural Weston home called the emergency dispatcher after the girl stopped breathing.

During the sentencing hearing, Dale Neumann, 47, read from the Bible and told the judge that he loved his daughter.

"I am guilty of trusting my Lord's wisdom completely. ... Guilty of asking for heavenly intervention. Guilty of following Jesus Christ when the whole world does not understand. Guilty of obeying my God," he said.

The judge ordered the couple to serve one month in jail each year for six years so the parents can "think about Kara and what God wants you to learn from this. One parent would serve the term in March and the other in September. Howard stayed the jail sentence while the couple's convictions are appealed.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Hmmm

Murder your child in the womb or out of the womb if it survives the murder attempt.

Have faith in something...that's a :nono:. :rolleyes:

Baloney

The child is the responsibility of the parents, not the state.

I don't agree with all medical practices or drugs.
Doctors should be giving people medicine to heal them not patch them up for awhile and on drugs the rest of their life.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Another lame attempt of christian bashing by hr.
this time using some rare, isolated extreme example.

died of an undiagnosed but treatable form of diabetes.
huh?
the article doesnt give much detail on the death, parents may have been screwheads but if they were responsible for the girls death i dont know why they didnt get more time.
 
To paraphrase George Carlin:

Whenever people's prayers aren't answered they say, "It was all just part of God's plan." Well, OK. So if God has a divine plan, then why bother praying for anything? Or if God really does answer prayers, then why would He make plans if any asshole could just come along and change them?
 
Another lame attempt of christian bashing by hr.
this time using some rare, isolated extreme example.

died of an undiagnosed but treatable form of diabetes.
huh?
the article doesnt give much detail on the death, parents may have been screwheads but if they were responsible for the girls death i dont know why they didnt get more time.

I bet if the parents had been Muslim, NeoCons here would have been foaming at the mouth with venomous outrage and demanding that we nuke the entire Middle East over this
 
Another lame attempt of christian bashing by hr.
this time using some rare, isolated extreme example.

died of an undiagnosed but treatable form of diabetes.
huh?
the article doesnt give much detail on the death, parents may have been screwheads but if they were responsible for the girls death i dont know why they didnt get more time.
It's more of a thread bashing idiot parents that don't understand the practicality of medical science.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
I bet if the parents had been Muslim, NeoCons here would have been foaming at the mouth with venomous outrage and demanding that we nuke the entire Middle East over this


youre right, like the time christians went on a property destroying killing spree over a series of cartoons of Jesus.
Get real.
It's more of a thread bashing idiot parents that don't understand the practicality of medical science.

You know it could have been Charlie Hustle, but not in his selective outrage mental outlook
(the word "mental" can be used two ways, readers choice).
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Ok , its like this PR, I agree a parent choosing religion and prayer over or instead of medical attention is disgustingly stupid and ignorant.
I believe that was HR's secondary motive for the thread, his primary was to denounce christianity again.

Oh what a tangled we we weave
When first we practice,
To decieve
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
I dont know if that was towards me or towards Charlie Hustle
Maybe both.
I sometimes speak in riddles and he is sometimes "out in left field".

I guess some things are better off not knowing
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Where's Galactic22 when you need him?


Originally Posted by Galactic 22 View Post
You think you are raising awareness? Really? You have not once, not ever, not even quickly, raised anything in these forums worth anything, have not brought up one topic worthy of discussion, have not contributed anything more than garbage spewed from your hate filled head.

You try to be inflammatory, and it is only there that you succeed. You use the same word over and over and over when describing your "enemies", which is all the evidence the rest of us grounded individuals need to realize that we are indeed not dealing with a mental giant.

How long did this monster post take you? Did you really believe that you would shock anyone here with your "info"? Are you not aware of the creation of such stations such as Nat Geo and Discovery and History, ALL of which have aired numerous programs going into far more depth and detail than your little expose?

You expand nobody's mind here. All you do is bring fuel for a fire, and generally make yourself look like an ass.

But hell, it is the season for generosity, so keep it up man......I guess we do need something to laugh at.
 
Ok , its like this PR, I agree a parent choosing religion and prayer over or instead of medical attention is disgustingly stupid and ignorant.
I believe that was HR's secondary motive for the thread, his primary was to denounce christianity again.

Oh what a tangled we we weave
When first we practice,
To decieve
Christ, it seems like every religious person on this message board smells conspiracy in everything.
Completely believable...
Zing!
 
"God probably works through other people," he told the parents, "some of them doctors."

I liked this quote :1orglaugh


I'm not a very religious person but I respect people who are but this is a very difficult one. I think the sentence was appropriate. It seems the parents had no intention of killing their daughter but they really did go about this the wrong way, which is why I liked the above quote. If there is a God and if God was pissed at us using doctors to heal instead of letting God do it or us keeping people alive that God obviously wanted dead, then He/She is gonna be very very pissed! But do they not realize that doctors are there to take care of the sick (then makes loads of money!) which is what Jesus preached.
 

PirateKing

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so basically if you use the God defense then you can escape justice? wtf? Seems like these days religion is a legal loophole as far as the justice system is concerned. People are still made to swear on the bible when taking the stand as if thats whats going to keep them from lying. Guess what, i believe in the god of pumpkins and so im gonna run naked through the streets while shooting people with a paintball gun because its his will and you cant tell me otherwise because the constitution protects my right to religion.
 
Actually this is a really good idea. If you want to let God, or call it natural selection decide for you whether you live or die, then I'm all for it.

Just like I support our troops- along with suicide bombers, religious martyrs, cannibals, serial killers...

The world is overpopulated and I give you thanks for doing your part to reduce your carbon footprint. Go green!

... As long as you keep it to yourselves. The problem with all these folks is that they involve other people that don't want to play the same game as them, and that is wrong.

To reiterate, by all means please avoid the doctor and put your life in God's hands, but not your children.
 

Philbert

Banned
Original sequence:

I have no idea what you just said or how it relates to the thread.

Completely believable...


Not too bright an attempt at being devious:

Christ, it seems like every religious person on this message board smells conspiracy in everything.

Completely believable...

Zing!

I rest my case...
I met a brick yesterday that had a clearer take on things than this little guy...:D

Shouldn't you be studying the "times tables" instead of posting on a grown-up's message board?:nono:

:rofl:
 
The NeoCons sure are miffed up in this bitch :1orglaugh'
 
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