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so you have morality without dogmatic belief in a god? Thats exactly what the OP suggests
why?
Morality 1: Good without gods
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What would some pompous individual like Gates know about the foot soldiers though...
The truth of the matter is tons of people that are "average" do quite a bit (donating to food banks, helping the homeless, etc.). That's indisputable.
Further, Gates and Buffet could say anything to make themselves look good. You buy into their elitist garbage, that's your thing.
No. I'm no fan of Robertson and I realize he tried to keep that terrorist Charles Taylor in office because of $$$. I just tried to make another point, that's all.
maildude
Postal Paranoiac
Humankind has its evil and good sides. Doesn't matter what the religion--or lack thereof--happens to be. The towers came down and ******** were poisoned in Jonestown because of religious zeal. But then again, I've never felt unwelcome in a church. Like guns, ***** and sex, it takes a human to make something evil.
That's actually something a lot of people that are both religious and non-religious people believe. (Although many people from both sides might not think so.)
Still the religious people or even the people that think of "good" as an actual ***** of the universe and believe that actually know why they do good for it's own sake. I wonder what the reason why non-religious people would think that is the way to live life. They must have some underlying reasoning even if it's deep down. They have to have some reason to think good is good and evil is evil, that right is right and wrong is wrong, and no "just because" isn't really an acceptable answer.
It makes me wonder if a lot of the people who believe they are non-religious out there are actually a lot more spiritual than they think they are.
It's difficult to explain but in time you'll more than likely feel the same. I'm convinced there is something else out there after death.
Its called morality which is separate to believing in an afterlife. It has nothing to do with spirituality. That is the point of this thread! Morality & religion are not intrinsically linked. One can be moral & have no faith.
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Er not everyone's attitude changes. Your's may have, & good luck to you if it gives you comfort in your life but not everyone suddenly believes in an afterlife just because people close to them die & not believing in God is not "cold and lifeless".
Good for you. But it doesn't follow that others will "more than likely feel the same." :nono:
StanScratch
My Penis Is Dancing!
That sounds like hope more than anything else.
Religion is built around a hope that once, we die, that is not it. It is a hope that praying to a higher something will lead to rewards, and that those who do not think as such will be punished (note that the rewards/punishments are not for right/wrong. Those are irrelevant in the world of religion). A hope that there is some greater thing out there controlling things, that life has an ultimate "reason", that we are not born simply to grow, feed, breed and die.
Do not go through life with the false belief that you are the only one who has lived. We have all watched loved ones die. I've seen many - some ****** out loud to a god, some in silent content that they were going to pass to nothingness.
And do not think yourself the high and mighty because you can see through the eyes of a god. I've no need for a god, but my universe is far from cold and lifeless. The movement of the Milky Way through the dark sky at night, the flash of a rock burning up as it enters our atmosphere, the gaseous shell of a giant star being violently thrust away, the millions of years it takes for a river to cut through rock to form a Grand Canyon, the majestic growths of the redwood forest, the brilliant colors of grains of sand under a microscope, the image of violent volcanic plumes shooting high into the air off the surface of Io as Jupiter with its great red spot slowly drifting in the background, the sound and the feeling and the sight of a pyroclastic flow rushing from an Earth-bound volcano, simply watching three birds play "tag" around the base of a small tree, the rays of the morning sun streaming brilliantly through the thick forest until the dimmest of rays hits the floor giving life to the smaller plants below, the Great Barrier Reef, Mars, the Eagle Nebula - I am able to look at these sights through the wondrous eyes of science and challenge my mind to figure out how they were, how they work, and what they will become.
If that is an empty world, then I do not want yours full of superstition.
Theres the big story (among atheist circles anyway) where a church got seriously offended by a billboard prclaiming the idea that you can be good without god.
Some christians (and other religious groups) believe that god is the source of all morality, and if you dont believe, then its impossible to be good... Like you're pretending or something? Others, slightly more switched on, recognize that anyone can be good, but insist you need to believe in a make believe god to get into his make believe house when you die.
I am totally down with that, and believe that as long as the religious are making stuff up, then I can ignore them safely.
Some christians (and other religious groups) believe that god is the source of all morality, and if you dont believe, then its impossible to be good... Like you're pretending or something? Others, slightly more switched on, recognize that anyone can be good, but insist you need to believe in a make believe god to get into his make believe house when you die.
I am totally down with that, and believe that as long as the religious are making stuff up, then I can ignore them safely.
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