King Abdullah of Jordan : Obama's right not ot call ISIS 'Islamic extremists'

[Johan]

Conservatives love King Abdullah of Jordan. When, after a jordanian pilot was burnd alive in a cage, the king promises ISIS "retribution like [they] hasn't seen", and publich a photo of him in a flightsuit, while Jordanian pilots were conducting an airstrike on ISIS (one among the more than 2.000 the US have conducted since the beginning of the conflict), conservatives were ecstatic, telling how much they would like to have a real strong leader like King Abdullah in the White House instead off Obama's who's too weak and too soft to even cal ISIS "islamic extremists".

Well, guess what, King Abdullah "tough guy" if Jordan agrees with President Barrack "pussy" Obama : ISIS shouldn't be called "islamic extremists".

King Abdullah: Obama right not to call ISIS ‘Islamic extremists’


King Abdullah of Jordan said he agrees with President Obama’s decision not to label Islamic State terrorists “Islamic extremists” because to do so would legitimize their perversion of Islam.

Speaking Sunday with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria at al-Husseiniya Palace in Amman, Jordan, King Adbullah was asked his thoughts about the president’s stance, which has been criticized by conservatives as being too soft on radical Islam, Mediaite first reported.

“I think he is right and I think this is something that has to be understood on a much larger platform, because they’re looking for legitimacy that they don’t have inside of Islam,” he said of the terrorist organization, also known as ISIS and ISIL. “What these people want is to be called extremist. I mean, they take that as a badge of honor.

“These are in a way outlaws that are on the fringe of Islam,” King Abdullah said. “So to label Islam under the term of extremists and moderates is actually completely wrong… When Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, came out with his manifesto, even extremist organizations completely backed away from what he said. So he has nothing to do with the tenets of Islam, which is a religion of tolerance that reaches out to other people.”

The king also said the fight against the Islamic State group must be a unified one.

“I’ve said this to leaders both in the Islamic and Arab world and to the world in general, this is a third World War by other means,” he said. “This brings Muslims, Christians, other religions together in this generational fight that all of us have to be in this together.

“So it’s not a Western fight,” he added. “This is a fight inside of Islam where everybody comes together against these outlaws, so to speak, together. And there’s a short term part of this, which is the military part of the issue, there is the medium part, which is the security element of it, and then there’s a long term element of this, which is obviously the ideological one.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/3/king-abdullah-obama-right-not-to-call-isis-islamic/

 

[Mr. Daystar]

You can call the filthy mother fuckers apple pie for all I care, as long as each and every one is killed and removed from the face of this earth, in a way that destroys that terrorists chance of seeing one stinking virgin upon his death. I don't car if you paint the bombs with pigs blood, or rub the bullets on pork chops, just defile them, as you destroy them.


After all, what's in a name?

 

[Johan]

You can call the filthy mother fuckers apple pie for all I care, as long as each and every one is killed and removed from the face of this earth, in a way that destroys that terrorists chance of seeing one stinking virgin upon his death. I don't car if you paint the bombs with pigs blood, or rub the bullets on pork chops, just defile them, as you destroy them.


After all, what's in a name?

A name is an identity. That's why conservatives like to use Obama's full name : Barrack Hussein Obama, 'cause, to many americans, Hussein = Saddam = arab, muslim, evil.
Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (" الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام ") is the name THEY have choosen for themselves. And they choosed it to claim they draw their legitimacy for Islam. But real muslims do not recognise them as muslims, as believers of the same religion, as followers of the same god.
the use the acronm ISIS (or ISIL) means that the one who uses it acknowledges two things :
1) It a islamic organisation
2) It is a state

Most of arabic governments (and some "western" governments as well) call them Daesh, whish is a loose acronym of the name they call themselves (Dawlat al-Islamiyah f'al-Iraq wa al-Sham) with a pronociation very close ot the arabic word “Daes” ("دعس"), “one who crushes something underfoot” as well as “Dahes”, which means “one who sows discord”.
According to what I've read here and there, they don't like to be called "Daesh"...

I know I've been calling the "ISIS" on this board 'til now but I did so 'cause I wasn't sure you guys knew about "Daesh". As fr now I will call them "Daesh".

 

[Mayhem]

I know I've been calling the "ISIS" on this board 'til now but I did so 'cause I wasn't sure you guys knew about "Daesh". As fr now I will call them "Daesh".

I think I'll join you.

 

[sean miguel]

"ISIS" has been the accepted and most widely-used name. Most people wouldn't know what the hell you were talking about if you said "ISIL" or "Daesh".

For the sake of convenience and consistency, I'll just keep saying "ISIS." Besides, any westerner using "Daesh" sounds like a "Daouche."

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Like I said, I don't really care what you call them, as long as their eradication, is eminent, and it's done in a way, that crushes their belief system.

If the rest of the muslims in the world want to believe their little invisible man in the sky is better then mine, let them have at it, but the nano second they see their fellow believers act in an extreme manner, they have 2 choices, #1) disavow, and help eradicate, or #2) share in their bloody death.

I hate myself for going back to that fucktard dubbyas words, "your either with us, or against us", but it's looking more and more, like that is the case with these shitbags.

 

[Johan]

If the rest of the muslims in the world want to believe their little invisible man in the sky is better then mine, let them have at it, but the nano second they see their fellow believers act in an extreme manner, they have 2 choices, #1) disavow, and help eradicate, or #2) share in their bloody death.

I hate myself for going back to that fucktard dubbyas words, "your either with us, or against us", but it's looking more and more, like that is the case with these shitbags.

It is not very difficult for "western" muslims to call out Daesh, al-Qaida or Boko Haram for what they are and many have done it

But it is much more dangerous to do so when you're living in a muslim country 'cause you may be shot (or decapitated, or burned alive) for having called them out.
Malala did it, she spoke, on TV about the violence of the talibans that had seized control on the Valley of Swat. And for that, she was shot in the head, 5 years later.
Some have the guts and the courage to do so. But you can't blame the rest of them for being silent 'cause they fear for their lives and the lives of their families.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

We did it with muskets, and a strong unwavering will to be free. These people can't seem to make it happen with modern technology, and all the help we seem to be giving them. Personally, I think they aren't so much afraid, as they are sympathetic. They might not want to pick up a rifle to help their muslim brothers, but I have a feeling they understand why they do it, and all of the anti extremism we hear from over there, is just a lot of hot air they wanna blow our way, just to appease us.

 

[Rattrap]

We did it with muskets, and a strong unwavering will to be free.

Careful; "we" have done no such thing. "We" sit complacently voting away our freedoms and opportunities with every election in stupid partisan fighting. Some men a few hundred years ago did it with muskets and a strong unwavering will to be free.

These people can't seem to make it happen with modern technology, and all the help we seem to be giving them. Personally, I think they aren't so much afraid, as they are sympathetic. They might not want to pick up a rifle to help their muslim brothers, but I have a feeling they understand why they do it, and all of the anti extremism we hear from over there, is just a lot of hot air they wanna blow our way, just to appease us.

This is a sentiment I see a lot of, and I want to issue another word of warning. You may not be wrong; I don't know. But once again, careful: media is a business in which fear sells, and in this respect the idea of an entire evil religion is very lucrative. I've heard over and over again, "Where is the Muslim outrage? Why aren't they disavowing/disassociating/condemning the terrorists?"

Yet, has anyone explicitly said they aren't? Or is it just not being covered? I live at the moment in a city with a very high Muslim population and I've seen them protesting against terrorists just as so many people feel like they're obligated to. But maybe that was just a rare thing; maybe it's happening frequently (I don't go through the city center that often). I don't know. But I do know that the narrative the media is selling is just that: a product. Read the label very carefully to make sure it isn't over the daily recommended serving of bullshit.

 

[laidoff2]

Seriously? The only Isis that matters is Isis Love

Like you're not gonna go beat yourself limp and sore.

 

[Mayhem]

Careful; "we" have done no such thing. "We" sit complacently voting away our freedoms and opportunities with every election in stupid partisan fighting. Some men a few hundred years ago did it with muskets and a strong unwavering will to be free.


This is a sentiment I see a lot of, and I want to issue another word of warning. You may not be wrong; I don't know. But once again, careful: media is a business in which fear sells, and in this respect the idea of an entire evil religion is very lucrative. I've heard over and over again, "Where is the Muslim outrage? Why aren't they disavowing/disassociating/condemning the terrorists?"

Yet, has anyone explicitly said they aren't? Or is it just not being covered? I live at the moment in a city with a very high Muslim population and I've seen them protesting against terrorists just as so many people feel like they're obligated to. But maybe that was just a rare thing; maybe it's happening frequently (I don't go through the city center that often). I don't know. But I do know that the narrative the media is selling is just that: a product. Read the label very carefully to make sure it isn't over the daily recommended serving of bullshit.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rattrap again.

 

[Will E Worm]

Really? :1orglaugh



ISIS propaganda taken from movie. Link

 

[Johan]

We did it with muskets, and a strong unwavering will to be free.

YOU did it ? Tell me more about all the battles you've seen from 1775 to 1783. Tell me about what you saw in Lexington, Boston, Rhode Island, Saragota, Yorktown, etc...

The fact that your ancestors gained their freedom with muskets and will doesn't gives you the right to judge people who live under tyranny and don't put their lives at risk to be free.

These people can't seem to make it happen with modern technology, and all the help we seem to be giving them. Personally, I think they aren't so much afraid, as they are sympathetic. They might not want to pick up a rifle to help their muslim brothers, but I have a feeling they understand why they do it, and all of the anti extremism we hear from over there, is just a lot of hot air they wanna blow our way, just to appease us.

Isis is not an army uyou can defeat on a battlefield. The enemy is not dressed with a uniform that makes recognisable, they are not strangers who claim to rule you from a country 10.000 miles away.
And most of these people are poor, they don't even have muskets, how could they fight this

Have you seen how long it is for the Kurds, to draw Daesh forces out of Kobane ? The've been fighting for monthes, with ground support from Syrian rebels and air support from the US and still the battle is not yet finished. It started in September and it's still going ! It's some kind of middle-east version Stalingrad !

but I understand that from the comfort your chair, it's easy to call these people sympathiser, it's easy to say they put their lives in danger. I guess you will telel that, if you were there, you would go to fight. But the truth is that nobody can do that kind of claim, nobody can tell what he would do in such a situation.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

YOU did it ? Tell me more about all the battles you've seen from 1775 to 1783. Tell me about what you saw in Lexington, Boston, Rhode Island, Saragota, Yorktown, etc...

The fact that your ancestors gained their freedom with muskets and will doesn't gives you the right to judge people who live under tyranny and don't put their lives at risk to be free.



Isis is not an army uyou can defeat on a battlefield. The enemy is not dressed with a uniform that makes recognisable, they are not strangers who claim to rule you from a country 10.000 miles away.
And most of these people are poor, they don't even have muskets, how could they fight this

Have you seen how long it is for the Kurds, to draw Daesh forces out of Kobane ? The've been fighting for monthes, with ground support from Syrian rebels and air support from the US and still the battle is not yet finished. It started in September and it's still going ! It's some kind of middle-east version Stalingrad !

but I understand that from the comfort your chair, it's easy to call these people sympathiser, it's easy to say they put their lives in danger. I guess you will telel that, if you were there, you would go to fight. But the truth is that nobody can do that kind of claim, nobody can tell what he would do in such a situation.

I first realized I was reincarnated from a former life...........blah, blah. You know what I meant, nit picking isn't really needed here, and yes I do have the right to judge. When people want America's help. and my tax dollars go for that help, I am entitled to pass a little judgment now and again.

I have no problem handing them some AK's and pointing them in the direction they should shoot. Get fucking real dude, I am most certainly not playing arm chair quarterback, but you can't sit there an say they shouldn't be more active in their own freedom.

Careful; "we" have done no such thing. "We" sit complacently voting away our freedoms and opportunities with every election in stupid partisan fighting. Some men a few hundred years ago did it with muskets and a strong unwavering will to be free.

You're right...100% right, and I wish I could do more then just cast my own vote, and wright to my Senators...but I can't make anyone else do the right thing....but I always try to, a lot of people can't even say that.

 

[Mayhem]

We did it with muskets, and a strong unwavering will to be free. These people can't seem to make it happen with modern technology, and all the help we seem to be giving them. Personally, I think they aren't so much afraid, as they are sympathetic. They might not want to pick up a rifle to help their muslim brothers, but I have a feeling they understand why they do it, and all of the anti extremism we hear from over there, is just a lot of hot air they wanna blow our way, just to appease us.

I first realized I was reincarnated from a former life...........blah, blah. You know what I meant, nit picking isn't really needed here, and yes I do have the right to judge. When people want America's help. and my tax dollars go for that help, I am entitled to pass a little judgment now and again.

I have no problem handing them some AK's and pointing them in the direction they should shoot. Get fucking real dude, I am most certainly not playing arm chair quarterback, but you can't sit there an say they shouldn't be more active in their own freedom.

Just thought I'd do a quick hijack and mention that our muskets and desire to be free wouldn't have amounted to much if the French hadn't given us a hand. And all we've done in recent memory is talk shit about them. BTW, they're also the ones who provided us with a little thing called the Statue of Liberty.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Just thought I'd do a quick hijack and mention that our muskets and desire to be free wouldn't have amounted to much if the French hadn't given us a hand. And all we've done in recent memory is talk shit about them. BTW, they're also the ones who provided us with a little thing called the Statue of Liberty.

I know, that's why I didn't rag on him about anything, I normally would have...but lets face it, the French helped us, not because of our cause, as much as it was that they hated England more then we did. My enemies, enemy, is my friend. I also believe we did for them too But we are footing a big chunk of the bill over there...and I mean you and me, and the rest of the tax payers...they don't care about our money, so they spend it like they didn't have to work for, because they didn't, we did!

I tried to edit my last post, I meant to type Write to my Senators....not wright. I was thinking of something else at the time

 

[Johan]

I first realized I was reincarnated from a former life...........blah, blah. You know what I meant, nit picking isn't really needed here, and yes I do have the right to judge. When people want America's help. and my tax dollars go for that help, I am entitled to pass a little judgment now and again.

You're only paying for your past mistakes (or the past mistakes of your governments) : Since the US government is responsible for the mess in Iraq, it is logical that they have to deal with the monster they gave birth to.
If you're unhappy with how your tax-dollars are used, blame your government, blame Georges W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Colin Powell

I have no problem handing them some AK's and pointing them in the direction they should shoot. Get fucking real dude, I am most certainly not playing arm chair quarterback, but you can't sit there an say they shouldn't be more active in their own freedom.

I never said they shouldn't. I said you can't blame them for not doing it. Go there, put your own life in danger, fight Daesh by yourself. Only then you'll have the right to judge those who do not do the same.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

You're only paying for your past mistakes (or the past mistakes of your governments) : Since the US government is responsible for the mess in Iraq, it is logical that they have to deal with the monster they gave birth to.
If you're unhappy with how your tax-dollars are used, blame your government, blame Georges W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Colin Powell

I never said they shouldn't. I said you can't blame them for not doing it. Go there, put your own life in danger, fight Daesh by yourself. Only then you'll have the right to judge those who do not do the same.

And lets not forget nobama, on a grand scale. He's made more of a mess, then he's cleaned up. I do blame m government, past and present...and likely the next round of retards. I don't think you understand how our tax system works....we've been paying for this bullshit for decades. For past bullshit, and current bullshit.

Yes I can blame them, and I do, and I will continue to. If ti were my country I sure as fuck would be fighting. That's what the whole Second Amendment is about, and why I defend it so fiercely. You keep saying, "go there and fight". It's not my country, but soldiers from my country are fighting for them, and dying for their cause. Maybe they should help them out. If Ohio was invaded, I would pick up a rifle in a fucking nano second.

 

[Johan]

Yes I can blame them, and I do, and I will continue to. If ti were my country I sure as fuck would be fighting. That's what the whole Second Amendment is about, and why I defend it so fiercely.

Easy to say, from the comfort of your home...
I am not saying you wouldn't. all I'm saying is that nobody can tell for sure what he would do in such circumstances until it actually happens.

You keep saying, "go there and fight". It's not my country, but soldiers from my country are fighting for them, and dying for their cause. Maybe they should help them out. If Ohio was invaded, I would pick up a rifle in a fucking nano second.

How many american soldier have died fighting ISIS ? And don't count those who died in the Iraq war 'cause nobody ask the US to intervene. The rest of the world tried to stop you for doing it but you wanted to have it your way. So, the blood of every US soldier who died in that war is on the hands of those who pushed for the war : Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. But even worst than the blood of US soldiers ('cause soldiers are fighters, war -and wounds and even death- is part of the job), these guys have of their hands the blood of hundreds of thousands iraqi civilians.

 

[MustBeGood]

And lets not forget nobama, on a grand scale. He's made more of a mess, then he's cleaned up. I do blame m government, past and present...and likely the next round of retards. I don't think you understand how our tax system works....we've been paying for this bullshit for decades. For past bullshit, and current bullshit.

Yes I can blame them, and I do, and I will continue to. If ti were my country I sure as fuck would be fighting. That's what the whole Second Amendment is about, and why I defend it so fiercely. You keep saying, "go there and fight". It's not my country, but soldiers from my country are fighting for them, and dying for their cause. Maybe they should help them out. If Ohio was invaded, I would pick up a rifle in a fucking nano second.

The reason why we should of never invaded Iraq.

That place is 100x better ever since we dispatched Saddam