Iran nuclear talks fizzled

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A U.S. decision to bend policy and sit down with Iran at nuclear talks fizzled Saturday, with Iran stonewalling Washington and five other world powers on their call to freeze uranium enrichment.

In response, the six gave Iran two weeks to respond to their demand, setting the stage for a new round of U.N. sanctions.

Iran's refusal to consider suspending enrichment was an indirect slap at the United States, which had sent Undersecretary of State William Burns to the talks in hopes the first-time American presence would encourage Tehran into making concessions.

Officials and diplomats refused to characterize the timeframe as an ultimatum, but it appeared clear that Iran now has a de-facto deadline to show flexibility.

EU envoy Javier Solana said that Iran still has to answer a request made on behalf of the five permanent U.N. Security Council members plus Germany to "refrain from any new nuclear activity."

"We have not gotten all the answers to the questions," Solana told reporters. He said the two-week timeframe was meant to give Iran the space to come up with "the answers that will allow us to continue."

In Washington, a U.S. official was blunter.

"We hope the Iranian people understand that their leaders need to make a choice between cooperation, which would bring benefits to all, and confrontation, which can only led to further isolation," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.

In diplomatic terms, "further isolation" is shorthand for economic and political sanctions.

Keyvan Imani, a member of the Iranian delegation cast doubt over the value of talks less then an hour after they started. "Suspension — there is no chance for that," he told reporters.

Imani also downplayed the presence of Burns — even though the Americans had previously said they would not talk with the Iranians on nuclear issues unless they were ready to stop all enrichment.

"He is (just) a member of the delegation," Imani said.

Chief Iranian negotiator Saeed Jalili evaded the issue of suspension, demanded as part of the six-power proposal that carries a commitment of no new U.N. sanctions in exchange for an Iranian pledge to stop expanding its enrichment program.

"Iran is calling on the Western powers to resume the dialogue," he said.

Iran already is under three sets of U.N. sanctions for its refusal to suspend enrichment, which can generate both nuclear fuel and the fissile material at the core of nuclear warheads. While Tehran says it has a right to enrich for peaceful purposes, the sanctions reflect international concern that it might use its program to make weapons.

The offer delivered to Iranian officials last month by Solana envisions a six-week commitment from Iran to stop expanding enrichment and from their interlocutors to agree to a moratorium on new sanctions for up to six weeks.

That is meant to create the framework for formal negotiations which the six nations hope would secure Iran's commitment to an indefinite ban on enrichment.

Recent Iranian statements had suggested the country is looking to improve ties with the United States, with officials speaking positively of deliberations by the Bush administration to open an interests section — an informal diplomatic presence — in Tehran after closing its embassy decades ago.

Iran and the United States broke off diplomatic relations after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the hostage crisis at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Official contacts between the two countries are extremely rare.

Burns' decision to attend the Geneva talks showed that Washington was willing to accept something less than fully dismantling the program as it had always demanded — at least as a first step.

U.S officials had insisted Burns was at the table to listen only, describing his presence as a one-time occasion. But State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said otherwise.

Burns delivered "a clear simple message" when it was his turn to speak, McCormack told reporters in Washington.

He cited Burns as telling the his Tehran counterpart: "Iran must suspend uranium enrichment to have negotiations involving the United States."

Iran needed now to "make a choice between cooperation, which would bring benefits to all, and confrontation, which can only led to further isolation," McCormack said.

John Bolton, who has served as Washington's former ambassador to the U.N and as undersecretary of state in charge of the Iran file, the outcome proved that Tehran never had "serious intntions to give up its nuclear program."

Alluding to the possibility of harsher EU sanctions, he told the AP: "I think maybe this will convince the Europeans to take stronger steps."


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/19/iran.nuclear/
GENEVA, Switzerland (CNN) -- Iran's top nuclear negotiator called talks Saturday with European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana "constructive" but didn't say whether Iran would accept a short-term proposal to jump-start negotiations on the nuclear issue.


Solana, appearing with Saeed Jalili at a news conference, said he expects to receive an answer from Iran in two weeks.

"We still didn't get the answer we are looking for," Solana said, adding that Iranians are being given an opportunity "to interact with the international community."

As a way of addressing concerns that Iran is intent on developing nuclear weapons, EU officials and the United States, Russia and China have proposed that Iran take a six-week break from manufacturing centrifuges that enrich uranium.

Under the proposal, Iran would be allowed to continue to use the more than 3,000 centrifuges it already has but could not make more. In exchange, the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany would not impose further sanctions against Iran during that period.

Iran says it is pursuing nuclear power only for energy purposes.

Jalili indicated that Iran wants to continue talks but gave no indication that the nuclear issue would be resolved soon.

"The experiences we have had in the past years tell us that, alone, different parties cannot resolve this," he said.

Without elaborating, Jalili said Iran has offered a package of proposals, "which is designed to address our common concerns, common worries. In return, we aren't asking for anything."

He said he spoke Saturday morning with representatives from the five Security Council members and Germany.

"I told them that there is a choice which you need to make: 'You are free to work as seven minus one or six plus one,' " Jalili said.

The State Department warned that Iran will face further "disincentives" if it chooses not to cooperate on the nuclear issue.

"We hope the Iranian people understand that their leaders need to make a choice between cooperation, which would bring benefits to all, and confrontation, which can only led to further isolation," department spokesman Sean McCormack said in a written statement.

"The P5+1 made clear to the Iranians that our proposal was serious, and an opportunity for them to engage with the international community on our concerns."

According to McCormack, U.S. Undersecretary of State William Burns delivered the following message during the talks: "The United States is serious in its support for the package Mr. Solana conveyed in Tehran last month, the United States is serious in its support of P5+1 unity, and the United States with its P5+1 partners are serious that Iran must suspend uranium enrichment to have negotiations involving the United States."

The decision to send Burns is meant to send a strong signal but does not indicate a change of the U.S. position on Iran, McCormack said.

Until now, President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice insisted that the United States would talk to Iran only after Tehran halted its nuclear program.

There has been somewhat of a thaw in U.S.-Iranian relations in recent weeks. Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said this month his country was interested in academic and scientific exchanges with the United States.



Mottaki said Iran has proposed resuming flights between Tehran and the United States, and there has been a suggestion that U.S. diplomats be posted in Tehran.

The United States broke off diplomatic ties with Iran in April 1980, after Americans were taken hostage the year before at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran following the U.S.-backed shah.
 
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so much for diplomacy. that was short lived.
 
This is starting to get out of hand and I do hope that Iran will stop it's nuclear programme. The thing is though despite their threats about wiping Israel off the map they won't do it. Why? It's simple in Israel there are all kinds of ancient buildings that is not only important to christians and jews but it's also important to muslims. And since misslies and bombs are not 100% accuate then there is a chance that those holy sites will get destroyed so not only will christians and jews hate Iran but it will also make muslims hate Iran too.
 
First let me say I am not convinced the Iranians are not just really looking to make power with nuclear energy.But that said even if they did develope the bomb the same thing that detered us and the russians would deter them.If they used one they would be a parking lot quickly.
 
This comes to me as no suprise. I mean the fact that one day Iran will be capable of having a nuclear weapon means we have to take them more seriously than ever before such was the case with North Korea.
When dealing with madmen it just boils down to cease talks and continue sanctions with the country and hope cooler heads weill prevail......but I think the outcome of this will be drastically different when the shit hits the fan.
 
I just find it sadly ironic that the so-called Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty was just signed by all the people that don't have them, and all the one's that do didn't sign it and kept them, so it really makes no difference.

We want to "rid our dependency on foreign oil" by forcing them to stop producing alternative energy and keep pumping oil instead.

:helpme:
 
I just find it sadly ironic that the so-called Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty was just signed by all the people that don't have them, and all the one's that do didn't sign it and kept them, so it really makes no difference.

We want to "rid our dependency on foreign oil" by forcing them to stop producing alternative energy and keep pumping oil instead.

:helpme:


Yeah man exactly its do as we say, not do as we do.And you are dead on about the oil angle.Everybody gonna need to build nuclear power maybe.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Am I the only one who isn't intimidated by Iran? I mean, there is no way they will be able to use a nuclear weapon without either being nuked in return by the superior American, British or French weapons, or by being invaded. Besides, Israel probably has nuclear weapons of their own, so if Iran does anything, they're dead, too.
 
Am I the only one who isn't intimidated by Iran? I mean, there is no way they will be able to use a nuclear weapon without either being nuked in return by the superior American, British or French weapons, or by being invaded. Besides, Israel probably has nuclear weapons of their own, so if Iran does anything, they're dead, too.

Exactly the Israelis would give them back 10 times what they ever got.I really think the Iranians know that as well and may be really just looking to be self sufficent in the production for their own nuclear energy program here.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Exactly the Israelis would give them back 10 times what they ever got.I really think the Iranians know that as well and may be really just looking to be self sufficent in the production for their own nuclear energy program here.

Like North Korea, Iran is that little boy at school who buys the most expensive toys so people will take them seriously. When they see that they can't hold a candle to the Americans or Russians, they'll start to talk.
 
Am I the only one who isn't intimidated by Iran? I mean, there is no way they will be able to use a nuclear weapon without either being nuked in return by the superior American, British or French weapons, or by being invaded. Besides, Israel probably has nuclear weapons of their own, so if Iran does anything, they're dead, too.

To borrow a Cold War term it's a MAD situation. (Mutual Assured Destruction).
 
so much for diplomacy. that was short lived.

The thing about negotiation vis-a-vis this article is three-fold.

1) In my opinion, when negotiations become truly deadlocked, the only action which will be re-ignite them is to walk away. To not do this would allow the talks to become a staring contest wherein neither side implicitly admits to have an upper hand, but...

2) Negotiations are also a dance, and a slow one at that. I vaguely remember some rumor that when the two sides negotiating the end to hostilities during the Korean War opened the discussions, they spent a week or something deciding where and how big the table would be. Essentially, to me, the beginning of negotiations becomes a place to implicitly set down rules for where "power" is placed and where "boundaries" are. It's like a marriage in terms of how much subtext and implied meanings become important.

3) This article in terms of the negotiating "life" is for show, i.e. it's to demonstrate to the negotiator's bosses that they're all laboring "hard" and fighting to keep their parties line.
 
well, that's it. I'm outta here!
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
They refused? SURPRISE! Why would they stop this process. They know once they figure it out they can make literally billions off selling the shit to terrorists to use against us and the rest of the world!

I've said it before about Iraq, but I do honestly feel its necessary in this case...nuke the fuckers!!!!!!

No I'm not kidding and yes, I'm serious. No sarcasm at all!
 
They refused? SURPRISE! Why would they stop this process. They know once they figure it out they can make literally billions off selling the shit to terrorists to use against us and the rest of the world!

I've said it before about Iraq, but I do honestly feel its necessary in this case...nuke the fuckers!!!!!!

No I'm not kidding and yes, I'm serious. No sarcasm at all!

Legz you have heard to much propaganda about the threat of "terrorism".
There is really very little any terrorists could do with nuclear materials.The big thing with "the bomb" is how you can deliver them.When India who has some short range rockets now 1st got the bomb the joke was for a delivery system they would strap it to an elephant lol.And just having nuclear materials is light years away from being able to makie a bomb.Countries with the resources only a country would have, find it difficult,just ask the North Koreans whose test fizzled.
And again bud nuking Iran or anybody else is just a nutty idea.With nuking Iran the least you get is $300 a barrel oil and $12 a gallon gas for who knows how long probably forever and the most you get is a general nuclear war that kills at least 1/2 the worlds population if not just everyone.
 
.With nuking Iran the least you get is $300 a barrel oil and $12 a gallon gas for who knows how long probably forever and the most you get is a general nuclear war that kills at least 1/2 the worlds population if not just everyone.

Which is why the US is keeping the pressure on. War with Iran might come, but, if I've heard right, Iran's much more secure internally than Iraq. But, this underlines the now-pervasive view that we'll need natively-produced fuel sources.

To borrow a Cold War term it's a MAD situation. (Mutual Assured Destruction).

Same with China and us vis-a-vis our dollar and economy.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
Legz you have heard to much propaganda about the threat of "terrorism".
There is really very little any terrorists could do with nuclear materials.The big thing with "the bomb" is how you can deliver them.When India who has some short range rockets now 1st got the bomb the joke was for a delivery system they would strap it to an elephant lol.And just having nuclear materials is light years away from being able to makie a bomb.Countries with the resources only a country would have, find it difficult,just ask the North Koreans whose test fizzled.
And again bud nuking Iran or anybody else is just a nutty idea.With nuking Iran the least you get is $300 a barrel oil and $12 a gallon gas for who knows how long probably forever and the most you get is a general nuclear war that kills at least 1/2 the worlds population if not just everyone.

who said anything about missiles? Also I never said the terrorists had to build the bomb. Someone in Iran or close to it could build the bomb and sell it to the terrorists. I never said it had to be used in a plane or as a missile. I'm sure they could think of another way to get it here to america and detonate it. They can fly planes they aren't as stupid as most people give them credit for!
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Iran just tested some missiles that can reach as far as Israel. So, really, why do any of us North Americans fear them? Camels can't swim across the ocean, anyway.
 
who said anything about missiles? Also I never said the terrorists had to build the bomb. Someone in Iran or close to it could build the bomb and sell it to the terrorists. I never said it had to be used in a plane or as a missile. I'm sure they could think of another way to get it here to america and detonate it. They can fly planes they aren't as stupid as most people give them credit for!

If it was all that easy and untraceable why has it never happened then? No these are not that easy to move around and deliver.And just for arguements sake lets say you were correct, they could get one a small one and set it off lets say in NYC.Kills lets say 300,000 outright and another 400,000 later from the radiation exposure.What do you think would be the reaction of the US? Do you really think that we would have no idea where it came from somehow originally ? You can't buy these at the 7/11 ya know lol.And even if we weren't exactly sure we would still be nuking somebody maybe several countries.No thats why nobody has ever used one in all these years ,if you are the one that built a bomb that was used somewhere, you no matter who you are should count on some nukes back.
 
If it was all that easy and untraceable why has it never happened then? No these are not that easy to move around and deliver.And just for arguements sake lets say you were correct, they could get one a small one and set it off lets say in NYC.Kills lets say 300,000 outright and another 400,000 later from the radiation exposure.What do you think would be the reaction of the US? Do you really think that we would have no idea where it came from somehow originally ? You can't buy these at the 7/11 ya know lol.And even if we weren't exactly sure we would still be nuking somebody maybe several countries.No thats why nobody has ever used one in all these years ,if you are the one that built a bomb that was used somewhere, you no matter who you are should count on some nukes back.
Because Dr. Brown keeps selling them pinball parts and ball bearings.
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Seriously it could be done, but thankfully it hasn't.
 
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