In quick reversal Trump says Iran shooting down drone a, "stupid mistake".

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meesterperfect

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1st Trump , like his predecessor is a puppet. He makes no decisions. He is owned.
If you can't wrap your penis around this fact then stop reading now.

So you are saying that "Trump" was going to attack Iran but Vlad Putin told him not to so he didn't?
Is that the story they are telling about this?

Funny because Israel, that nice innocent peace loving jewish state has been practically demanding the US attack and go to war with Iran.
For years they have been doing this. But nobody ever has the balls to say Trump is netanyahoos bitch.

So do you want to see the US military bomb and kill a bunch of Iranian children and then go to war with Iran?
Because its so necessary. It will really help the people of Iran and the US if this happens.
Will they send in troops or just carpet bomb civilians for months on end like pussies?

BTW do you think anything regarding this would go down differently if 51% Hiliary was chosen as PREZ?
Same exact shit would be happening.
 

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Trump sucks Netanyahu's ass because his base likes it. Trump changed his tone towards Iran because of what Putin said. Hillary wouldn't have cancelled Obama's Iran deal. I appreciate your skepticism, and you're not always wrong, but you're wrong more often than you are right.
 

meesterperfect

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Thank you.
Regarding this what am I wrong about?

Are you saying that the USA was going to attack Iran and begin a war with them, and that this decision was Donald Trumps, but he decided not to because Putin told him not to?
Is that pretty much what you are saying?
 

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I think Trump was rattling the ol' sabre, typical tough talkin' Trump but changed his tone because Putin said no. With Bolton and Pompeo pushing Trump to launch strikes, I think there was a pretty even split on which way he might go and Putin ain't no dummy.
 

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Bomb Iran JibJab
 

meesterperfect

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I think Trump was rattling the ol' sabre, typical tough talkin' Trump but changed his tone because Putin said no. With Bolton and Pompeo pushing Trump to launch strikes, I think there was a pretty even split on which way he might go and Putin ain't no dummy.

Well just the fact that he has Israeli Bolton on his team should say a lot.
I don't think Putin had much to do with any of this but maybe, but I doubt it.
Trump takes his orders from his owners and does what they tell him, and I don't think Putin is one of them.



Bomb Iran JibJab

Wow, looks like Iran is surrounded by US bombs and bullets.
Hey America? How would you feel if Iran had the USA surrounded like that? Not to good I bet.
And you have the massive ignorance to call Iran the aggressor?
 

xfire

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Well just the fact that he has Israeli Bolton on his team should say a lot.
I don't think Putin had much to do with any of this but maybe, but I doubt it.
Trump takes his orders from his owners and does what they tell him, and I don't think Putin is one of them.
Wow, looks like Iran is surrounded by US bombs and bullets.
Hey America? How would you feel if Iran had the USA surrounded like that? Not to good I bet.
And you have the massive ignorance to call Iran the aggressor?

Why did Trump stand down from launching strikes on Iran if it wasn't Putin that made the call? As you succinctly point out, Israel, Bolton, & Pompeo are all pushing like a fat man on a toilet after a pizza buffet for war with Iran. The Mueller Report details how and why Putin owns Trump, read the motherfucker, it's freely available, and put it in context of Trump's decades long business connections with Russia, come on man, you're smarter than this. And no, I don't think Iran is the aggressor, it's obvious who wants to go to war with Iran, and it ain't the Trump opposition.
 

Supafly

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Trump totally fumbled this one. And showed the world, again, that he just does not do his homework, even in regard of possible wars.

 

meesterperfect

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Why did Trump stand down from launching strikes on Iran if it wasn't Putin that made the call? As you succinctly point out, Israel, Bolton, & Pompeo are all pushing like a fat man on a toilet after a pizza buffet for war with Iran. The Mueller Report details how and why Putin owns Trump, read the motherfucker, it's freely available, and put it in context of Trump's decades long business connections with Russia, come on man, you're smarter than this. And no, I don't think Iran is the aggressor, it's obvious who wants to go to war with Iran, and it ain't the Trump opposition.

So we don't feel the same about one thing- The Putin owns Trump thing.
I guess that's not a big deal. You think he's owned by Russia, I think Israel and the central banks who own israel.
I'm not going to read the Mueller thing because I feel its just part of the show.
I guess we also don't agree that Trump is another puppet actor who makes no decisions at all.

This most recent Iran thing- I feel its part of the show.The conditioning, the fear mongering.
Israel and its owners want to use the US to attack Iran and kill and cause the death of millions more innocent human beings.
Thats because they are sick evil people, and I'm not talking about Jews here even though Jews who actually believe in their religion should be speaking out against the Israeli government, however most are far brainwashed to even consider that.

I suppose The US attacking and starting war with Iran is inevitable. In fact maybe that was the main purpose of allowing Trump to be PREZ. This way they can blame it on him and not The Crooked One. This latest Iran probable False Flag is probably just conditioning the people of the world to get on board with it. Also to gage their reactions to a possible war with Iran.
Seems most Americans don't care either way as long as they have food, water, and their $800.00 cell phones to stare at all day.
But it seems almost nobody supports it. Creating a new war will wake up even more people, and they don't want that.
I think the only way is to do another 9/11 type event, and even then it would be hard to sell this time.
I hope it doesn't come to that.

Then again the Iran Bad Boogeyman thing may be just a never ending way to keep Americans hateful and fearful of Muslims.
The best way to conceal the real enemy of the people is to give them a fake one to focus on.
 

georges

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Trump On Rising Iran Tensions: ‘No More John Kerry And Obama!’
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-on-rising-iran-tensions-no-more-john-kerry-and-obama/

Trump Sends Iran Harsh Warning, Promises ‘Overwhelming Force’ If ‘Anything American’ Is Attacked
https://www.westernjournal.com/trum...verwhelming-force-anything-american-attacked/

Iranian President Goes Off, Accuses Trump Admin of Being ‘Afflicted by Mental Retardation’
https://www.westernjournal.com/iran...ses-trump-admin-afflicted-mental-retardation/

Iranian Military Adviser Threatens To ‘Uproot’ Israel, US ‘from Existence’
https://www.westernjournal.com/iranian-military-adviser-threatens-uproot-israel-us-existence/
 

Supafly

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A big part of the crisis is the lack of a huge part of personnel at the Trump Administration. He doesn't only not have "the best people", he doesn't have any people.

And it shows.

A record-long lack of permanent leadership at the Pentagon is starting to take a toll

Washington (CNN)When the defense ministers of NATO countries meet in Brussels this week, there will be a notable absence: a Senate-confirmed, permanent United States Secretary of Defense.
The acting secretary and expected permanent nominee, Mark Esper, will be there, just as he was present at the White House last week as President Donald Trump and his national security team deliberated launching a military strike against Iran. But it's not the same.
An acting defense secretary lacks the political capital and internal confidence of a permanent one. The Senate confirmation vests a secretary with explicit and implicit powers -- from the ability to recruit and set long-term policies in the Pentagon to the power to communicate authoritatively with foreign counterparts and members of Congress.

This absence was on full display last week as the President mulled striking Iran, ultimately pulling back at the very last minute. Though Esper was in the room, along with his predecessor Patrick Shanahan, who served as acting secretary from more than six months before stepping down over the weekend, neither was in position to play what several experts and former Pentagon officials say is the crucial role of a Defense secretary -- to reconcile the goals and agenda of the administration with the realities presented by the military.
"It's just not good. You want to have a fully empowered Secretary of Defense," Eric Edelman, the former under secretary of Defense for policy in the George W. Bush administration, told CNN. "You need to have a civilian perspective, one that brings some political sense."
There hasn't been a permanent, Senate-confirmed Secretary of Defense since James Mattis resigned from the position on December 31 -- a record amount of time for the Pentagon to go without a leader.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/25/politics/pentagon-acting-defense-secretary/index.html
 

georges

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meesterperfect

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Still trying to figure out why, if Trump is Russia's puppet, he is messing with Iran so much?
Does Russia want the US to attack Iran?
No?
Then who keeps talking about how the US needs to start a war with Iran? War Mongering all the time?
Who?
Really?
You don't say?
Interesting. Interesting indeed.
Then maybe Trump is their puppet and the Russia thing is just more disinformation to propagandize the People as always?

So lets get down to it here ok.
Who here wants to see a war between Iran and The USA?
 

meesterperfect

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Trump's base, being pushed by Neocon Hawk John Bolton and Tea Party Fag Mike Pompeo.

Of course I don't have stats but I don't think even most of "Trumps Base" wants to see a war with Iran or anyone.
I think its more the people who still are sucked into the about 30 years of "Muslims want to kill us because they hate us for our freedom" propaganda campaign put on by the Government and the media.
They are the ones who would back a war , especially if they don't have to fight in it.

I know people like this. " kill em all" mentality because they have been brainwashed to feel that way. Try to make them see another pov and the shades go right down.

Trumps base. I doubt even 1 out of 4 people who voted for him would vote for him in 2020, or vote at all again.
And he sure hasn't gained any significant amount of fans since 2016.
But our perception is a result of information and our information is manufactured so if they tell us he has "a base" he must have a base.
 
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