In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren't people

xfire

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Would love to hear some conservative perspective on this rather astonishing stance of the Catholic church.

http://coloradoindependent.com/1268...catholic-hospital-argues-fetuses-arent-people
Lori Stodghill was 31-years old, seven-months pregnant with twin boys and feeling sick when she arrived at St. Thomas More hospital in Cañon City on New Year’s Day 2006. She was vomiting and short of breath and she passed out as she was being wheeled into an examination room. Medical staff tried to resuscitate her but, as became clear only later, a main artery feeding her lungs was clogged and the clog led to a massive heart attack. Stodghill’s obstetrician, Dr. Pelham Staples, who also happened to be the obstetrician on call for emergencies that night, never answered a page. His patient died at the hospital less than an hour after she arrived and her twins died in her womb.

In the aftermath of the tragedy, Stodghill’s husband Jeremy, a prison guard, filed a wrongful-death lawsuit on behalf of himself and the couple’s then-two-year-old daughter Elizabeth. Staples should have made it to the hospital, his lawyers argued, or at least instructed the frantic emergency room staff to perform a caesarian-section. The procedure likely would not have saved the mother, a testifying expert said, but it may have saved the twins.

The lead defendant in the case is Catholic Health Initiatives, the Englewood-based nonprofit that runs St. Thomas More Hospital as well as roughly 170 other health facilities in 17 states. Last year, the hospital chain reported national assets of $15 billion. The organization’s mission, according to its promotional literature, is to “nurture the healing ministry of the Church” and to be guided by “fidelity to the Gospel.” Toward those ends, Catholic Health facilities seek to follow the Ethical and Religious Directives of the Catholic Church authored by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Those rules have stirred controversy for decades, mainly for forbidding non-natural birth control and abortions. “Catholic health care ministry witnesses to the sanctity of life ‘from the moment of conception until death,’” the directives state. “The Church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn.”

The directives can complicate business deals for Catholic Health, as they can for other Catholic health care providers, partly by spurring political resistance. In 2011, the Kentucky attorney general and governor nixed a plan in which Catholic Health sought to merge with and ultimately gain control of publicly funded hospitals in Louisville. The officials were reacting to citizen concerns that access to reproductive and end-of-life services would be curtailed. According to The Denver Post, similar fears slowed the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth’s plan over the last few years to buy out Exempla Lutheran Medical Center and Exempla Good Samaritan Medical Center in the Denver metro area.

But when it came to mounting a defense in the Stodghill case, Catholic Health’s lawyers effectively turned the Church directives on their head. Catholic organizations have for decades fought to change federal and state laws that fail to protect “unborn persons,” and Catholic Health’s lawyers in this case had the chance to set precedent bolstering anti-abortion legal arguments. Instead, they are arguing state law protects doctors from liability concerning unborn fetuses on grounds that those fetuses are not persons with legal rights.

As Jason Langley, an attorney with Denver-based Kennedy Childs, argued in one of the briefs he filed for the defense, the court “should not overturn the long-standing rule in Colorado that the term ‘person,’ as is used in the Wrongful Death Act, encompasses only individuals born alive. Colorado state courts define ‘person’ under the Act to include only those born alive. Therefore Plaintiffs cannot maintain wrongful death claims based on two unborn fetuses.”

The Catholic Health attorneys have so far won decisions from Fremont County District Court Judge David M. Thorson and now-retired Colorado Court of Appeals Judge Arthur Roy.

In September, the Stodghills’ Aspen-based attorney Beth Krulewitch working with Denver-based attorney Dan Gerash appealed the case to the state Supreme Court. In their petition they argued that Judges Thorson and Roy overlooked key facts and set bad legal precedent that would open loopholes in Colorado’s malpractice law, relieving doctors of responsibility to patients whose viable fetuses are at risk.

Whether the high court decides to take the case, kick it back down to the appellate court for a second review or accept the decisions as they stand, the details of the arguments the lawyers involved have already mounted will likely renew debate about Church health care directives and trigger sharp reaction from activists on both sides of the debate looking to underline the apparent hypocrisy of Catholic Health’s defense.

At press time, Catholic Health did not return messages seeking comment. The Stodghills’ attorneys declined to comment while the case was still being considered for appeal.

The Supreme Court is set to decide whether to take the case in the next few weeks.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Actually, it's just another perfect example of the hypocrisy that is Catholicism. I think you're going to find a lot of the people you're referring to, are going to throw the, "I'm Christian, not Catholic" argument at you.

Personally, I love this, almost as much as a politician getting caught doing something that they've rallied against....and I'm going to throw it at a couple of non posters that like to flap their jaws, elsewhere in my life.
 
I think this is a case of giving to Caesar what is Cesar's.

Is it hypocrisy? Probably in many ways. The hospital is not the Catholic Church, but that is kind of thin. Also, those that support pro-choice making looking to make hay with an argument that they already won, but is upset an opponent is using is a bit hypocritical.

The Catholic Church has a long history of hypocrisy. They don't stand alone.

The convenience of adopting the argument makes me chuckle.
 
This is absolutely ridiculous. The Roman Catholic Church has a very clearly outlined position on unborn children, and it isn't that they aren't persons with rights. They are single issue voters - Has to be Republican, because they're against abortion (How did 8 years of Bush help you on that one, idiots?) - but, when push comes to shove on this issue, the church does what is convenient and cost efficient.

Mindless.
 
I think this is a case of giving to Caesar what is Cesar's.

Is it hypocrisy? Probably in many ways. The hospital is not the Catholic Church, but that is kind of thin. Also, those that support pro-choice making looking to make hay with an argument that they already won, but is upset an opponent is using is a bit hypocritical.

The Catholic Church has a long history of hypocrisy. They don't stand alone.

The convenience of adopting the argument makes me chuckle.

Interesting take. You're right...another in the R.C's long history of hypocrisy.

This is absolutely ridiculous. The Roman Catholic Church has a very clearly outlined position on unborn children, and it isn't that they aren't persons with rights. They are single issue voters - Has to be Republican, because they're against abortion (How did 8 years of Bush help you on that one, idiots?) - but, when push comes to shove on this issue, the church does what is convenient and cost efficient.

Mindless.

So....tell me how you really feel about this? lol I agree with you. On the right to life topic, I support pro-choice. Although I do like to keep the argument alive. I think the R.C."s position has been very harmful. I do like things to be challenged, so while I don't support RTL, I do support the existence. I just read a post about needing a viable opponent of the Democrats to keep them in check. Same kind of thing.

The R.C. has been hypocritical and there is no defense.



Religions are for morons.

Re-read your sentence.
 
So....tell me how you really feel about this? lol I agree with you. On the right to life topic, I support pro-choice. Although I do like to keep the argument alive. I think the R.C."s position has been very harmful. I do like things to be challenged, so while I don't support RTL, I do support the existence. I just read a post about needing a viable opponent of the Democrats to keep them in check. Same kind of thing.

The R.C. has been hypocritical and there is no defense.

I agree with you on this 100%. I've no issue with someone who has a reasoned, well thought out stance against abortion. That's not at all what my issue is. My issue is with the kind of idiot who only votes Republican because "They're against abortion." That idiot hasn't thought things through at all. Republicans are not going to reverse Roe V. Wade, we've seen that conclusively demonstrated. You're just mindlessly voting in the way that your religious leaders told you to. Think, for a damned second, and figure out what's best, and then go in that direction. Don't be mindless.

And, yes. Keep the discussion alive. It's only when we're honestly debating things that we're thinking about them. Being forced to defend our beliefs is an excellent way to solidify that which you believe.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Actually, it's just another perfect example of the hypocrisy that is Catholicism. I think you're going to find a lot of the people you're referring to, are going to throw the, "I'm Christian, not Catholic" argument at you.

Personally, I love this, almost as much as a politician getting caught doing something that they've rallied against....and I'm going to throw it at a couple of non posters that like to flap their jaws, elsewhere in my life.

I always enjoy catching these assholes with their pants around their ankles, Democrat or Republican. Most of the "pro-life" activists, aren't really, rather they're pro-Republican, and that's how they should be addressed. I've got more than a few I'm going to use this article as a stick with. :D

I think this is a case of giving to Caesar what is Cesar's.

Is it hypocrisy? Probably in many ways. The hospital is not the Catholic Church, but that is kind of thin. Also, those that support pro-choice making looking to make hay with an argument that they already won, but is upset an opponent is using is a bit hypocritical.

The Catholic Church has a long history of hypocrisy. They don't stand alone.

The convenience of adopting the argument makes me chuckle.

It's more than hypocrisy on the part of this particular Catholic hospital, it's anathema to the doctrine of the Catholic church, and I would be interested in and probably amused by any official reaction from the Vatican. You're deliberately distorting the word hypocritical by trying to flip it around on the people who rightly call out the pro-Republicans on their rank cowardliness and lack of moral conviction in trying to get out of a lawsuit.
 
I agree with you on this 100%. I've no issue with someone who has a reasoned, well thought out stance against abortion. That's not at all what my issue is. My issue is with the kind of idiot who only votes Republican because "They're against abortion." That idiot hasn't thought things through at all. Republicans are not going to reverse Roe V. Wade, we've seen that conclusively demonstrated. You're just mindlessly voting in the way that your religious leaders told you to. Think, for a damned second, and figure out what's best, and then go in that direction. Don't be mindless.

And, yes. Keep the discussion alive. It's only when we're honestly debating things that we're thinking about them. Being forced to defend our beliefs is an excellent way to solidify that which you believe.

Yeah, I sometimes think that there should be an IQ test to vote or weigh in on discussions. Maybe it isn't IQ as much as it is some sort of laziness quotient. That is what got the Republicans into the mess they are in. They thought it was easiest to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Those folks happen to be lazy and do exactly what you describe.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
They are trying to cover their butts so they don't have to pay. They are hypocrites.

The Roman Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy an embryo, blastocyst, zygote or fetus, since it holds that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life."

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There are many cases where the driver is sighted and charged with murder of an unborn child.


Donald Reider, 54, of Gibraltar, Robeson Township, was charged Saturday with homicide by vehicle for causing the accident in Allentown in which 26-year-old Sonia Samuels of Allentown lost her baby.

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Hit & Run Drivers Who Kill Unborn Babies Could Face Homicide Charges

Hit-and-run drivers who cost a woman her pregnancy could be charged in the unborn baby’s death under a bill at the state Capitol.

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bobjustbob

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Think about it. If the Catholic Church can get a pedophile priest out of the criminal justice system then they can do anything. Worse than the fucking mafia. They come out so clean and never have to fire a shot.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I always enjoy catching these assholes with their pants around their ankles, Democrat or Republican. Most of the "pro-life" activists, aren't really, rather they're pro-Republican, and that's how they should be addressed. I've got more than a few I'm going to use this article as a stick with. :D

EVERYONE, in my wife's family is Catholic...I'm going to have fun with this too.

They're clearly setting a dangerous precedent for themselves, I can't even imagine how they'll weasel out of this. Of course, they'll try, but how? Any thoughts?
 
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