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France Cleared To Impose Unbelievably High Tax On The Rich


* 75 pct tax for top earners will be levied on companies
* Proposal infuriated business leaders and soccer clubs
* Supertax to be capped at 5 pct of a company's turnover

PARIS, Dec 29 - France's Constitutional Council gave the green light on Sunday to the government's controversial 'millionaire tax', to be levied on companies that pay salaries of more than 1 million euros ($1.38 million) a year.

The measure, introduced in line with a pledge by President Francois Hollande to make the rich do more to pull France out of crisis, has infuriated business leaders and soccer clubs, which at one point threatened to go on strike.
It was originally designed as a 75 percent tax to be paid by high earners on the portion of annual income exceeding 1 million euros, but the council rejected it last year, saying it was unfair. France's top administrative court later said that 66 percent was the legal maximum for individuals.
The Socialist government has since reworked the tax to levy it on companies instead, raising the ire of entrepreneurs.

Under its new design, which the council found constitutional, the tax will be a 50 percent levy on the portion of wages above 1 million euros in 2013 and 2014.
Including social contributions, the rate will effectively remain about 75 percent, though the tax will be capped at 5 percent of a company's turnover.
The tax is expected to affect about 470 companies and a dozen soccer clubs, and is forecast to raise approximately 210 million euros a year.

The Constitutional Council, a court comprising judges and former French presidents, has the power to annul laws if they are deemed to violate the constitution.

ANTI-BUSINESS

Tax increases designed to reduce France's budget deficit have fuelled rising discontent in the country, with recent polls giving Hollande the lowest approval rating of any French president on record.
His 2012 supertax election pledge infuriated high earners in France and prompted actor Gerard Depardieu to flee the country. It has also alienated entrepreneurs and foreign investors, who have accused Hollande of being anti-business.
Hollande has said that the wealthy should contribute more to help to repair the country's finances, arguing that the supertax should also encourage companies to curb excessive executive pay.

In Sunday's ruling, the Constitutional Council rejected planned wealth tax measures that it said imposed levies on potential gains - such as those on life insurance policies - and thus risked overestimating a taxpayer's actual resources.
It also quashed several measures designed to crack down on tax avoidance schemes through which individuals and companies use legal loopholes to minimise their tax bills.
One of the proposed measures required consultants and firms offering tax planning services to disclose such schemes before marketing them. The council found the provision was too vague and ran counter to freedom of entrepreneurship. ($1 = 0.7258 euros)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/30/france-millionaire-tax_n_4518698.html


I know a lot of people think I am a socialist so I'm gonna say it : I do not agree this "millionaire tax". I think it's stupid, it will draw investors an wealthy people out of the country and will raise very few money :facepalm:
 
If someone things President Obama is a Socialist, they're not smart. It's just that simple.

This tax is ridiculous, and you're going to see a lot of wealthy people leaving the country. And who can blame them?
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Well Barry " If you started a business, you didnt do it on your own' , " In school I sought out the The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets' Soetoro sure the hell aint very capitalist.
its very clear. All you need to do is listen to what he has said over the years and its apparent the form of GOV/ Society he believes in.

Wacth if you want, don't cost nothin
 

Deepcover

Closed Account
I can't see that happening anytime soon. The wealthy will find a way to get around it. Always have and always will.
 
Well Barry " If you started a business, you didnt do it on your own' , " In school I sought out the The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets' Soetoro sure the hell aint very capitalist.
its very clear. All you need to do is listen to what he has said over the years and its apparent the form of GOV/ Society he believes in.

Wacth if you want, don't cost nothin

About Obama care : If the American people massively reject Obama cara, why did they voted for Obama. He promised to pass that bill, the bill itself is named "Obamacare".
If Obama never said he was going to do that, then the Republican party would be right to protest against that but Obama clearly said he would do that. It was one of the major talking points of the campaign, on both side. You can't say people reject that, they've voted for that.

About socialism : The probleme with you americans, particulary conservative americans is that you don't know the difference between socialism and communism. To you from Stalin to the SPD (Germany) it's all the same.
Truth is, the same way the Right is not homogene with every people agreeing on everything, same gos with the left. There's a huge gap between, for example, the english Labour-Party (which Tony Blair came from) and the venezulian United Socialist Party (which Hugo Chavez came from).
Do you think Tony Blair was a marxist ? Do you think he was no different than Hugo Chavez ? Do you think George W. Bush would have been to war with a marxist ally on his side ?
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
About Obama care : If the American people massively reject Obama cara, why did they voted for Obama. He promised to pass that bill, the bill itself is named "Obamacare".
If Obama never said he was going to do that, then the Republican party would be right to protest against that but Obama clearly said he would do that. It was one of the major talking points of the campaign, on both side. You can't say people reject that, they've voted for that.

About socialism : The probleme with you americans, particulary conservative americans is that you don't know the difference between socialism and communism. To you from Stalin to the SPD (Germany) it's all the same.
Truth is, the same way the Right is not homogene with every people agreeing on everything, same gos with the left. There's a huge gap between, for example, the english Labour-Party (which Tony Blair came from) and the venezulian United Socialist Party (which Hugo Chavez came from).
Do you think Tony Blair was a marxist ? Do you think he was no different than Hugo Chavez ? Do you think George W. Bush would have been to war with a marxist ally on his side ?

The bill itself is called "THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT," and yes I believe he is a socialist/progressive asshole.
 

Mayhem

Banned
About Obama care : If the American people massively reject Obama cara, why did they voted for Obama. He promised to pass that bill, the bill itself is named "Obamacare".
If Obama never said he was going to do that, then the Republican party would be right to protest against that but Obama clearly said he would do that. It was one of the major talking points of the campaign, on both side. You can't say people reject that, they've voted for that.

While I am sympathetic to your sentiment on this thread, let's get our facts straight. The bill is called "The Affordable Care Act" or ACA. The term Obamacare was started by the Republicans and meant as a perjorative. Obama subsequently decided to embrace the term, which was a smart move.
 
While I am sympathetic to your sentiment on this thread, let's get our facts straight. The bill is called "The Affordable Care Act" or ACA. The term Obamacare was started by the Republicans and meant as a perjorative. Obama subsequently decided to embrace the term, which was a smart move.
I know. But nobody speaks about the Affordable Care Act anymore (except a bunch of congressmen and political pundits...)

The bill itself is called "THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT," and yes I believe he is a socialist/progressive asshole.
Then he's a twice elected (by both popular vote and elecotral college vote) socialist. So, if you believe in Democracy, you'd admit that he's a totally legitimate president, that he's the one the american people choosed.
Wether he's a socialist or not doesn't matters : he's ben fairly elected, twice.
Your fellow american citizens voted for a socialist, twice.
 

Mayhem

Banned
I know. But nobody speaks about the Affordable Care Act anymore (except a bunch of congressmen and political pundits...)

Then he's a twice elected (by both popular vote and elecotral college vote) socialist. So, if you believe in Democracy, you'd admit that he's a totally legitimate president, that he's the one the american people choosed.
Wether he's a socialist or not doesn't matters : he's ben fairly elected, twice.
Your fellow american citizens voted for a socialist, twice.

Keep in mind, I work for Sheldon Adelson. It's not like FOX News is ever not going to be on TV in the breakroom and employee dining room. Yes it's called Obamacare, but I also see it be referred to as ACA and Affordable Care Act plenty of times too. Now let's take a breath. I want to be on your side but you can make your points without going to the same crude extremes that Conservatives do.
 
Keep in mind, I work for Sheldon Adelson. It's not like FOX News is ever not going to be on TV in the breakroom and employee dining room. Yes it's called Obamacare, but I also see it be referred to as ACA and Affordable Care Act plenty of times too. Now let's take a breath. I want to be on your side but you can make your points without going to the same crude extremes that Conservatives do.

Let's all just agree to avoid all the crude extremes. That sounds good.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Keep in mind, I work for Sheldon Adelson. It's not like FOX News is ever not going to be on TV in the breakroom and employee dining room. Yes it's called Obamacare, but I also see it be referred to as ACA and Affordable Care Act plenty of times too. Now let's take a breath. I want to be on your side but you can make your points without going to the same crude extremes that Conservatives do.

Wait, you work for Shelly, too?
 
This is a great strategy. Let it have so many glitches and get the people so annoyed that they just cave in and turn it into a single payer program ala Medicare for all! that would make it so much easier, and would work so much better and it's what the people want, other than the racist rednecks on the right who dont want to part with a penny for anyone.
 
This is a great strategy. Let it have so many glitches and get the people so annoyed that they just cave in and turn it into a single payer program ala Medicare for all! that would make it so much easier, and would work so much better and it's what the people want, other than the racist rednecks on the right who dont want to part with a penny for anyone.

Same old bullshit, different name.
 
how would you know since your brand new to the boards?
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
So if you're scoring at home, it's wrong when BC makes an alternate account after being banned, but it's okay when Mariah does it.

Good to know... :facepalm: Consistency/10
 
I know a lot of people think I am a socialist so I'm gonna say it : I do not agree this "millionaire tax". I think it's stupid, it will draw investors an wealthy people out of the country and will raise very few money :facepalm:

Why isn't this obvious to everyone? How much razor wire will you need to keep the swells from flying the coop? People can vote for all the socialist crapola they like but what happens when there is no actual money to back it up?
 
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