i need advice dealing with a suicide aftermath

on july 13 the 16 year-old son of one of my oldest friends hanged himself. there was absolutely no sign that anything was wrong in his life. no note was left, and it was not an accident.
this is the most painful thing that i've ever gone through (and technically i'm not going through it, the parents and the 19 year-old sister are) and i am extremely raw still.
we're all desperately searching for why's.

please, if anyone has any helpful advice in dealing with this tragedy, post it here or PM me.

sorry to post a bummer.
thanks in advance.
 
There are support groups for this sort of thing that You Might find in the phone book. You can try calling hospitals if they haven't already contacted the parents. I would tend to stay away from purely religious forms of counselling. There are other parents in the same situation and most likely a group meets in addition to personal counselling. Best thing of course it to be yourself and let them talk as well as don't hold back on your own observations. Drawing them out would be theraputic, as they probably feel overwhelming guilt and just your hearing them and drawing them out to talk shows you aren't being judgmental about them.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Sorry negator, my condolences.
I can say I believe understand your emotions over this.
I also had a friend the same age who died the same way, I was with him the day before and their were no signs. Nobody knew.
Its a helpless feeling afterwards, and alot of why's is true
I have no real advice. Just try to be strong and be there for your friend and his family.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
This is a really tough situation to deal with. About a year ago, one of my best friends killed herself. Her boyfriend (one of my good friends and the father of her child) died of a having a completely random hole open in his heart. The day after his funeral, she swallowed a crazy amount of pills and her body was found the following day in her apartment, with her baby in the crib next to her.

For a long, long time, I was pretty emotionally messed up from this. I did the same thing, asking myself "why" and wondering what the hell happened. I questioned myself and wondered if there was anything I could've done to prevent it from happening. For a while, I was a pretty big emotional wreck.

The sad reality is this...there is no answer to "why" it happens, it just does. No matter how long or hard you think about it and try to figure it out, you will never find an answer that pleases you. It will just constantly bug the shit out of you if you search for a "good" reason as to why someone you care about commited suicide.

My best advice is to just realize that there is/was absolutely nothing you can do to change what happened. It's one of those situations where you just have to accept the fact that something completely shitty happened, and just move on. I'm just speaking from personal experience. Obviously, you have to figure out the best way to deal with it on your own and what will be best for you.

Best of luck.
 
I'm really sorry to hear this; quite unimaginable. as an aside - and clearly i don't have all the details - this is another reason why adults need to 'monitor' what young adults are seeing/doing on the Internet:computer:. i am not blaming the Internet in this situation - it's a bloody useful tool - but again it highlights the dark side/misinformation/adverse consequences of its misuse. again, I'm really sorry for your friend (just sixteen), his family and yourself. just do the best you can - and get through this.
 

member006

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This is a really tough situation to deal with. About a year ago, one of my best friends killed herself. Her boyfriend (one of my good friends and the father of her child) died of a having a completely random hole open in his heart. The day after his funeral, she swallowed a crazy amount of pills and her body was found the following day in her apartment, with her baby in the crib next to her.

For a long, long time, I was pretty emotionally messed up from this. I did the same thing, asking myself "why" and wondering what the hell happened. I questioned myself and wondered if there was anything I could've done to prevent it from happening. For a while, I was a pretty big emotional wreck.

The sad reality is this...there is no answer to "why" it happens, it just does. No matter how long or hard you think about it and try to figure it out, you will never find an answer that pleases you. It will just constantly bug the shit out of you if you search for a "good" reason as to why someone you care about commited suicide.

My best advice is to just realize that there is/was absolutely nothing you can do to change what happened. It's one of those situations where you just have to accept the fact that something completely shitty happened, and just move on. I'm just speaking from personal experience. Obviously, you have to figure out the best way to deal with it on your own and what will be best for you.

Best of luck.

OH my. Bravo ChefChiTown I don't think there a better answer could be found. You describe the emotions and the hard facts of the matter all so elequintly. I have suffered such a loss twice. A very close friend from Elementary to High School and the brother of a friend. Different type situations totally.

My friends stepfather at her funeral said "she was just trying to get attention, always wanting all eyes on her." I don't think a gun in the mouth pulling the trigger was trying to get attention, do you? I think that's about as serious up as one can get. I still wonder why, what would take her there, but like Chef said, we never will know.

The other we know the whys. He had developed a very very bad drug habit and was weak. Rather than hang it and fight, he saw only helplessness and wimped out, he too used a gun. Sorry so harsh but yes, anger/bitterness in that one is there. We all were trying to help him, he could have won. He chose the cowards way out, hurting many. :(

So please negator, save yourself from the stress, use your energy to be there for others. Like somebody else suggested, you can only be there for the family and they need your support. As in all deaths, its those left behind that suffer the most. you will never have answers to why.

LL

Note: Tried to rep you Chef, it won't let me. I won't forget though.
 
I think that pretty much everyone feels this way at some point. people always ask "how can I deal with this?" and I've been thinking about this lately, and ya know, there's just some shit that a person cannot possiblely deal with. That's just life, and sometimes it really sucks, but you just have to take it in and if it doesn't destroy you, then you have one up on it, and you just keep on going on the same way the next day. I just got a tattoo to always remind me of some people that have died, and sometimes it really fucking depresses me and I don't want to be reminded of it, but some other times it makes me feel really grateful to be alive and to have that gift that those people gave to me, and I know that.
 
Suicide is one of the more tragic deaths because it seems so unnecessary to those on the outside. Some people who are having problems shut others out whereas some people suffer in silence and see no other way out than to kill themselves.

Like others here said, it's very important to be there for the family left behind.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
My God....what a horror for all involved. My condolences and deepest sympathy to you and the family.

My 19 year-old son suffers from depression and, right after his girlfriend broke up with him last summer, he made a suicide attempt by taking an overdose of drugs. Luckily for us (and for him!), he recovered without any permanent damage. We immediately got him involved in therapy and, through proper treatment and time, plus a lot of patience, love and understanding, we have been able to find a way to deal with his illness. The shame of it is, many times, help arrives too late to save a life. We were lucky. You and your friends were not. It sounds trite, but sometimes that's just the way things play out. I'm so sorry.

I would advise that you seek out a grief counselor to help deal with the long and difficult aftermath of this incredibly tragic turn of events.

Hang in there....time heals all.....it really does.
 
My best friend killed herself during Christmas when I was in college.

There were so many wonderful moments we shared together. We had a memorial for her in the chapel and planted a tree.

Later, I went to visit her family and found out her mother also killed herself when my friend was very young.

So I don't believe suicide is an accident among teens and college kids but there are signs and genetic factors which we have to watch and be vigilant to recommend the person we love to seek help.
 
thanks to you friends and strangers who replied, especially the ones who pmed me. you were excellent counsel, you kept me walking.
it's been a very strange 4 months. lots of very intense emotions. things are getting better now.

happy thanksgiving all.
 
My best friend since I was old enough to have a best friend killed himself when we were 19. We hadn't seen each other in a couple of years, my family had moved previous. One time I had a few days off work and was thinking of driving down to see him, but things happened and instead I went north with my girlfriend at the time. A couple weeks later I found out that he'd killed himself, but that at the time I was up north, he had come to town looking for me, but had no details and was actually asking people in the street if they knew me. I wish I had found him at that time, now I'll never know what was going on inside his head. His mother was a wreck, especially since his father had killed himself when we were 6.
 
i'm going to call this a 6 month update. maybe this thread can help someone in the future. what prompted me to write this is actually heath ledger's apparent suicide a couple of days ago. it just reminds me: you can never truly know somone.
you who were blind-sided by someone close, who inscrutibly decided to leave forever, know this.
his name was max. he was 16. the pain he left behind temporarily eclipsed everything good, but things are slowly finding their level.
my involvement in this is simply to comfort my friend, steve. he was max's father. he lives about an hour away from me, and we get together 2-3 times per month, and our visits are always good and up-beat. it's never fake or forced, and there have been times of catharsis on both our parts, which is natural. i'm very grateful to be able to do something for him.
but like a moth, i was burned by the flame. i succumbed to depression. max's suicide hit me personally very hard in many ways. but i feel about 80% recovered now. i'll spell out the three things that helped me recover so quickly:

excercise: i take an hour walk around sunrise every day, pushing myself up hills and taking new routes unexplored. this clears the mind and allows either intense focus, or complete un-focus. valuable and magical.

counseling: i chose a psychologist. she was helpful in my gaining some perspective. in a way, she gave me the tools so i could be my own patient. she emphasized the genetic component of depression to some degree, which was interesting. we talked for many hours about many things, and it was very enlightening, and on many levels it was stuff i already knew. some things were just stuck in the mud. you have to want to know yourself.

freeones: what can i say? you people were here when i needed someone to talk to, who wouldn't judge, who would bring real experience and excellent advice. some of you maintained a dialogue by pm that helped me beyond everything else. the anonymity is also a plus; strangely, i didn't feel comfortable talking about these feelings with those people closest to me in meatspace. i'm not normally like that. but then, you can never truly know someone, and the inverse is also true.

about grief: in many ways, grief replaces the cherished thing that was lost. after time, giving up the grief can be nearly as painful as the original loss. myself, i still can't believe it happened. also, sometimes, when i'm alone, i'll intentionally go there. misery is a bizarre comfort. not trying to understand it, just sayin'.

about suicide, the act: i feel it's very important to say this: you can never truly know someone; you can't know what's going on in their mind. are they building a self-destruct bomb in their basement? after-the-fact is too late for missed clues to matter. to denounce the suicide their decision is not helpful and not fair. to blame yourself or others for missing the signs is not helpful and not fair. it may be too late now, but looking out for each other is all we can do. now that i know what's at stake, i'm a little more sensitive to those around me.

thanks again, people.
 
I was going to ask you about how that was going. You beat me to it. :)

thanks for looking out:thumbsup:

one more thing about suicide: don't do it. the pain and confusion it causes is huge. no problem is fixed by it. this should go without saying, but really, if you're seriously contemplating suicide, think about the people around you and how it will impact them. most personal problems can be solved, the key is to get some perspective.
 
We planted a tree in the back of the dormitory and got together and sang songs to remember my friend.

There is no "why". I believe it is both genetic and environmental factors combined together. And it is tough.

My sister tried to kill herself over the Holiday both at home and in San Francisco but I think she was back home looking for job and lined up for 2 interviews in downtown. So based on those factors, I do not believe she is truly sucidial. But you never know !


(My personal experience is I had more friends who killed themselves when they were late teens and early 20's. And comes with no early warning ! Life sucks sometimes.)
 
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