Honey...I enriched the uranium...

[alexios]

Yes, it's obvious, but what do you think?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060411/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc_11

 

[Jagger69]

I think it's scary as hell. This fucking nutball will use the nukes if he develops them. Israel is the obvious target. If that happens, get your affairs in order....it's Armageddon time. I also think that Bush should use a much different policy with this than the one that led to the incredible mistake in Iraq. Like it or not, the UN and world opinion needs to be united behind the effort to prevent this from happening. Problem is, we've alienated so many of our former friends with our cowboy attitude that a coalition might be hard to obtain. Still, I hope that reason will prevail, the past can be forgotten, old alliances can be renewed and this situation can somehow be prevented. No....I PRAY it will.

 

[KungFuDude]

I don't know. I just think Iran is freaked out by U.S. presence in the area and our governments willingness to crush our weak enemies at the moment. They are just raising the stakes like North Korea just in case we get even more trigger happy then we already are. Its their no-invasion insurance policy.

Nuclear weapons bottom line: "Everybodys got 'em, but nobodys got the balls to use 'em." :2 cents:

 

[Member2019]

Iran has a simple way out of this:
A) Fully disclose everything, and
B) Allow full inspections

Iraq never did A, and kicked out B in 1998.

Lybia did, starting under Clinton, then accelerated under W.

South Africa did a couple decades ago.

North Korea not only never did A, not only did Clinton take their word for it, but we appeased them, and look where it got us?

Iran has a choice. They are picking the one no one in Europe or the US will accept.

 

[Slam]

Well, if States weren't so control hungry they'd do what they should have years ago. ***** the Canadian Nuclear technology down the throat of every country with Nuclear aspiration. Not only does the process not produce anything that could remotely be used for weapons, its also safer.

 

[JiDoKwan]

Yes, it's obvious, but what do you think?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060411/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc_11

I think alot of parking space is about to open up in Iran in the near future.

 

[Tgunz262]

I'm really starting to think that our governments don't have a fucking clue or a care in the world.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran

First we don't want them to have Uranium; that's a really bad thing. Now they have it and "The Iranians are deliberately trying to hype this up," David Albright, president of the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security, said Wednesday.

Sure they won't have a working bomb tomorrow, but they will someday so

...Will you guys decide what to do already?!?!?!

I **** this pattern of media fear frenzy followed by apologetic comfort about the various hopless situations around the world now that whatever apocolypse they predicted has ****** over us again.

 

[Big P13]

Funny thread title Alexios.

 

[alexios]

I'm really starting to think that our governments don't have a fucking clue or a care in the world.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran

First we don't want them to have Uranium; that's a really bad thing. Now they have it and "The Iranians are deliberately trying to hype this up," David Albright, president of the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security, said Wednesday.

Sure they won't have a working bomb tomorrow, but they will someday so

...Will you guys decide what to do already?!?!?!

I **** this pattern of media fear frenzy followed by apologetic comfort about the various hopless situations around the world now that whatever apocolypse they predicted has ****** over us again.

Someday??? If they are allowed to install the 3,000 centrifuges that they want, then they will be able to process the necessary amount for a warhead in roughly 2 years or possibly less. On the other hand, there's no reason to be afraid, I'm sure that we'll probably have another couple of Security Council resolutions ****** by then...and those always work.

 

[Baal]

We gotta worry about the chinese to be sure - the problem is that they get 51% of their oil from Iran, are a major emerging world power and would get really pissy if the gas tank dried up - Speaking of Chinese does anyone know if Robin Lee is from china - Yum!

 

[alexios]

We gotta worry about the chinese to be sure - the problem is that they get 51% of their oil from Iran, are a major emerging world power and would get really pissy if the gas tank dried up - Speaking of Chinese does anyone know if Robin Lee is from china - Yum!

True, because it seems that Iran has managed to **** the Russians off. So China's the only real powerful friend they have.

 

[hedonis]

We gotta worry about the chinese to be sure - the problem is that they get 51% of their oil from Iran, are a major emerging world power and would get really pissy if the gas tank dried up - Speaking of Chinese does anyone know if Robin Lee is from china - Yum!

China is not an "emerging" world power- they most definitely are a major power, and have been for decades. Their technology may not be as state-of-the-art as the west, but there's a lot of it, and they are closing that gap in some areas.

I disagree that the UN and world opinion NEED to be all united for someone to do something- that's the beauty of having sovreign nations. After all, Iran sure hasn't checked in with the UN to start enriching uranium, and there are dozens of other examples of people not doing things with the blessing of the UN.

In any event, I'm really bothered by the speed with which Iran is trying to get this running. 3000 centrifuges could allow them to have enough enriched, weapon-grade Uranium within roughly a year. :eek:

H

 

[Baal]

China is not an "emerging" world power- they most definitely are a major power, and have been for decades. Their technology may not be as state-of-the-art as the west, but there's a lot of it, and they are closing that gap in some areas.

I disagree that the UN and world opinion NEED to be all united for someone to do something- that's the beauty of having sovreign nations. After all, Iran sure hasn't checked in with the UN to start enriching uranium, and there are dozens of other examples of people not doing things with the blessing of the UN.

In any event, I'm really bothered by the speed with which Iran is trying to get this running. 3000 centrifuges could allow them to have enough enriched, weapon-grade Uranium within roughly a year. :eek:

H

Iran will likely have the bomb in a few years and if we hit them first before that happens, our troops in Iraq will be in a lot of doo doo and they (Iran) will have succeeded into baiting us into a war we cannot sustain at which point china will jump in to protect its geostrategic interests....

 

[FullMoonWolf]

---and if we pull out of Iraq to take on Iran...Iraq's population will engage in an all-out civil war anyway.

Talk about a conundrum.

 

[alexios]

---and if we pull out of Iraq to take on Iran...Iraq's population will engage in an all-out civil war anyway.

Talk about a conundrum.

I don't know, the situation could actually be beneficial in a way. Hammer and Anvil type stuff. Obviously, due to Iran mountainous coastal areas, we couldn't make an amphibious invasion. As for overland, that would be much easier. Think of it... We have 130,000 troops in Iraq, 20,000 troops in Afghanistan...the 5th Fleet is based in Italy, the 6th Fleet is based in Bahrain, and the 7th Fleet is based in Japan. We can count on tenative/tacit support from Sunni nations who fear Iran. The 35,000 trained soldiers in the Afghan National Army could provide a buffer and maintain order along with NATO in Afghanistan. Seeing increased Iranian influence in Iraqi affairs, it wouldn't be too hard to rally the majority of the Iraqi people to the cause, and their 100,000 soldier army could provide support.

Theoretically, we could easily increase troop and support levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, which would allow for a 2-pronged ******. Besides this, we could count on massive air support from land-based aircraft as well as the aircraft/support from up to 3 fleets.

I'm not saying that this will happen or should happen, I'm just saying that, at the current stage, a diplomatic solution or a potential reasoning with the Iranian government doesn't seem probable.

 

[Baal]

I don't know, the situation could actually be beneficial in a way. Hammer and Anvil type stuff. Obviously, due to Iran mountainous coastal areas, we couldn't make an amphibious invasion. As for overland, that would be much easier. Think of it... We have 130,000 troops in Iraq, 20,000 troops in Afghanistan...the 5th Fleet is based in Italy, the 6th Fleet is based in Bahrain, and the 7th Fleet is based in Japan. We can count on tenative/tacit support from Sunni nations who fear Iran. The 35,000 trained soldiers in the Afghan National Army could provide a buffer and maintain order along with NATO in Afghanistan. Seeing increased Iranian influence in Iraqi affairs, it wouldn't be too hard to rally the majority of the Iraqi people to the cause, and their 100,000 soldier army could provide support.

Theoretically, we could easily increase troop and support levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, which would allow for a 2-pronged ******. Besides this, we could count on massive air support from land-based aircraft as well as the aircraft/support from up to 3 fleets.

I'm not saying that this will happen or should happen, I'm just saying that, at the current stage, a diplomatic solution or a potential reasoning with the Iranian government doesn't seem probable.

And after they offer clemancy to all prisoners in our prisons, do you think they'll bring back the draft????

TWO WORDS

IMPERIAL OVERSTREACH - This requires a lot more planning than dealing with what we've allready got...

 

[LordVader66]

Personally, this scares the hell out of me. Irans president has already said that Isreal should be wiped off the map. If that is not an asshole thing to say i don't know what is. I don't know how this issue should be dealt with other than diplomacy and economic sanctions. There has been proof that Islam and Christianity can coexist in peaceful relationships. The problem is with religious, and dictatorial governments have too much to lose by cooperating with the west. Mainly their power over their people. That is one of the reasons why the US government was set up the way it was to prevent such ****** of power.

 

[alexios]

I just found this interesting...not just this link, but the entire site. Please check it out, it's really interesting and informative.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran-timeline.htm

 

[Baal]

Personally, this scares the hell out of me. Irans president has already said that Isreal should be wiped off the map. If that is not an asshole thing to say i don't know what is. I don't know how this issue should be dealt with other than diplomacy and economic sanctions. There has been proof that Islam and Christianity can coexist in peaceful relationships. The problem is with religious, and dictatorial governments have too much to lose by cooperating with the west. Mainly their power over their people. That is one of the reasons why the US government was set up the way it was to prevent such ****** of power.

Yeah imagine that the general population of most of these Islamic countries is like a bitch and the dictatorial regimes are saying...HEY!!!! THATS MY BITCH!!!!

LOL

 

[alexios]

Yeah...wouldn't it be terrible if all these people actually got to think for themselves or have a say in the running of their government?