Hey, Americans...
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Too right!
I can't vote, but my god I want him to be in! Think it's odds on that'll he'll win but you can never be too sure.
I can't vote, but my god I want him to be in! Think it's odds on that'll he'll win but you can never be too sure.
I am cautiously optimistic he is going to win and win big.I wasn't always so sure in this process america could elect him(thought the race issue might be too much of a hurdle) but the circumstances and stars seem to have aligned to make that less important ,thankfully.:bowdown:
Vote for whoever you want, but I do agree with the posts above there is only one candidate worthy of a vote tomorrow and thats Obama, the last 8 years of republican dominance has done this planet a hell of a lot of damage. 2 wars, one totally unnecessary and illegal just to promote the US dominance around the world and to gain control the middle easts oil. And one although totally justified, completly foolish in the way it was handled. And now the biggest economic crisis since the 20-30s.
Do you really want to allow this trend to continue, McCain has already stated that he wants to stay in Iraq until the war is won, which will never happen if you want my opinion, the only thing the Iraq war is doing is radicalising more and more moderate muslims who see the US as an occupying force and not as liberators and will make life a living hell for the innocent civilians of Iraq who's quality of life is becoming ever more desolate. Also McCain has also stated that the US economy is strong
which as all of you know is completly ludicrous. This is not a time for the same old, same old. McCain is just a Bush clone, who has tried to distance himself from Bush but it hasnt worked he is just another Bush and electing him is going to do nothing but make this planet and your country a worse place than it is now.
As I have said before I will be totally surprised and horrified if Obama doesnt win, but who knows, Bush was elected for a second term so anything can happen :dunno:
Vote for whoever you want but this election does effect alot more people than just those of the US.
Do you really want to allow this trend to continue, McCain has already stated that he wants to stay in Iraq until the war is won, which will never happen if you want my opinion, the only thing the Iraq war is doing is radicalising more and more moderate muslims who see the US as an occupying force and not as liberators and will make life a living hell for the innocent civilians of Iraq who's quality of life is becoming ever more desolate. Also McCain has also stated that the US economy is strong
which as all of you know is completly ludicrous. This is not a time for the same old, same old. McCain is just a Bush clone, who has tried to distance himself from Bush but it hasnt worked he is just another Bush and electing him is going to do nothing but make this planet and your country a worse place than it is now.As I have said before I will be totally surprised and horrified if Obama doesnt win, but who knows, Bush was elected for a second term so anything can happen :dunno:
Vote for whoever you want but this election does effect alot more people than just those of the US.
I can't wait for tomorrow to come so that I can put in my vote for Barack Obama!:thumbsup:
Regardless of your party affiliation just go out and vote people! This is my first ever chance to vote so I am excited as one can possibly be. I will cast my vote for Obama and even with all the polls favoring him I am cautiously optimistic because it's unclear how many votes will not go to him because of the color of his skin. America and the world will be better off having a African American in the White House, even though technically he's half white.
McCain is my guy... we don't want to become an impoverished communist state full of lazy folks like in europe. We need good moral leadership + family values to restore the US. Obama seems like an ok guy but you can't trust them tax and spend liberals with 2 (soon to be all 3) centers of power. And Sarah Palin is a MILF!!
Thats why the euro worths more than the US dollar?
I mean, where do you actually see a communist state in Europe? Do you think Canada is communist too? The liberal use of the word communist isnt helping to understand what people means exactly when using it.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Sorry BlueBalls, but I have to correct you. The last 8 years have not been dominated by Republicans because Democrats have had control of Congress for much of that time. While it's nice to have a president as a scapegoat to blame for everything that happens in the country, the reality is that the president only has 1/3 of the power of the government. Whether you like him or not, Bush is not 100% responsible for everything that has happened in the past 8 years. The wars, even though they were planned by him and his staff, had to be approved by the Congress, the same Congress that now says they never backed him. The current state of the economy is not entirely his fault; while he did favor his oil cronies, the housing and banking slump were both caused by irresponsible lending practices that were instituted in the Clinton era.
I'm not trying to defend him, but I just think that we shouldn't only blame him when there are others who are equally, if not more, responsible for the fucked up state of things today.
I still don't know who to vote for. I'm not fond of McCain one bit, but I'll be damned if I ever vote someone like Obama. I think I'll just vote for Chuck Norris. :hatsoff:
Oh please... calling any Democrats running for office a Liberal, Socialist, and/or Communist is a overused, tired, dirty tactic that's simply won't work this time around.
Spleen
Banned?
Why not? It's great!
Well in that case she's obviously qualified to run the country. I tried hard to ignore the whole campaign, but when forced between watching the debates with my wife and removing myself from the couch I was exposed to some of it and based on that alone, I really don't understand how anybody could still support McCain. There must be other reasons I guess, but from what I saw he really doesn't have much of a clue. I don't think Obama's going to ride in on a white horse(or black, I guess, in the interests of PCness...) and fix all of our problems, but I think we'll be a lot better off under him than McCain.
But its sadly not the perception - and as you know, perception is heavier than truth.
Actually the republicans had control over the house and senate untill 2006 when due to the war/Bush they lost control of the house and the senate became almost dead even.As far as foreign policy goes Presidents have way more then 1/3 of the power,combine that with a rubber stamp congress of republicans which Bush had before 2006 and its all on them.Thats why at the republican convention the word "republican" was rarely mentioned and Bush was almost non-existent as far as a presence at the convention.McCain has tried real hard to run away from both but thats a tough thing to do for him.The last 8 years have been dominated by the republicans ,they have to now accept what the results of that are good or bad.
Thats what I thought.
So instead of me having to answer GSB's point myself I will just hang onto Friday's :dunno: nothing wrong with that.
So funny, that everytime during election campaign people have illusions!
I feel like many people invest their favourite candidate with all the ideal qualities they want. And when he is elected, they start to realise that their expectations play the bankrupt.
And after a few years after election the same people will start to curse new president up hill and down dale.
So, when it is an election day, I do not vote for better life, and I do not vote for the one whom I expect to be a fighter for the radiant future.
I vote for the one of them thinking "interesting to know, what kind of an asshole he will turn out to be as a president?"
no illusions. just curiosity. and the one who arouses more curiosity as a potential bastard will be the winner.
I feel like many people invest their favourite candidate with all the ideal qualities they want. And when he is elected, they start to realise that their expectations play the bankrupt.
And after a few years after election the same people will start to curse new president up hill and down dale.
So, when it is an election day, I do not vote for better life, and I do not vote for the one whom I expect to be a fighter for the radiant future.
I vote for the one of them thinking "interesting to know, what kind of an asshole he will turn out to be as a president?"
no illusions. just curiosity. and the one who arouses more curiosity as a potential bastard will be the winner.
If Obama wins I gurantee the bashing from the liberals will start after maybe 6 months like prime minister blair in britain. The problem is that liberals ultimately hate their political opponents. They HATE the south, the church, the military heritage, the family values... In my experience republicans don't hate the liberals they just see goodness where liberals see 'patriarchy' and 'oppression'. It's a load of bullshit. We might as well stick with the party that thinks America has some fundamental sense of goodness at the bottom of it, where we value people's freedoms to create their own destiny. I think Obama has traits of this, but ultimately I don't want to see a ruling elite that is full of idealism that will be brought down by its own supporters when it fails to produce the goods - i.e. anarchy and revolution. And I also resent Europeans telling us what to do and who to vote for. They obvioulsy think we have no brains of our own to choose. Their superiority stinks.
Sorry but you are trying to defend him. It's ok though everybody has his or her own opinion on W and yours is just vastly different from majority of the Americans.
RE: Iraq war. Bush, Cheney, and rest of his cronies used lies, deception, and sympathies from 9/11 to essentially force Congress to give him the powers to invade Iraq if he should wish. You probably don't remember but anybody at the time who refuses to invade a country who has ties to 9/11 and have large arsenal of WMD isn't American so Bush was going to get Congress to give him the power even if he had to bribe them for it.
Bush had 3 branches of the government pandering to him for 6 of last 8 years. You are forgetting about Supreme Court that has majority in Republican nominated Justices as well as Congress that is Republican until 2 years ago. With that kind of power Bush was able to do anything he wants, including enacting all his economic policies. So don't try to shift all the blame away from Bush. I understand Dems are also at fault for our current crisis but Bush is our Prez for 8 years and his record after 8 years is nothing to write home about, unlike Clinton who balanced the budge and had a huge surplus when his term ended.
