Happy tax day! Here’s how corporations screw you over.

Luxman

#TRE45ON
"the government already has copies of all of your tax forms. Countries like Denmark, Sweden and Spain use that information to fill out your return and send it to you. If it looks good, you sign it and you’re done (or if you think you see a mistake, you can change it). The sole reason we don’t have such a system is that the current disaster makes billions of dollars for tax software companies, which then use a slice of that to relentlessly lobby Congress to keep the status quo."

Most rich people and corporations got their wealth by inheritance, illegal means or unfair loopholes in the law.

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/17/happy-tax-day-heres-how-corporations-plan-to-screw-you-over/
 
Most rich people and corporations got their wealth by inheritance, illegal or unfair means.
This is a fucking lie.
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
This is a fucking lie.

Prove it's a fucking lie!!!

Why you may be paying more income tax than you should
https://theconversation.com/why-you-may-be-paying-more-income-tax-than-you-should-76134

How workers – not companies – are bearing the growing burden of government
https://theconversation.com/how-wor...earing-the-growing-burden-of-government-76074

Why Americans have chosen to pay income tax
https://theconversation.com/why-americans-have-chosen-to-pay-income-tax-39747
 
No genius. You claimed that most wealthy people or corporations acquire their wealth through nefarious, unethical or even illegal means. Back it up. And I mean back it up that most acquire it through those means.

Most people or corporations acquire their wealth through hard work, rugged individualism and offering a good or service that the public wants.

Just because your life sucks doesn't mean others are successful because they achieved it through fraud or fucking people over.

And 46 percent of Americans pay no income tax.
 
"the government already has copies of all of your tax forms. Countries like Denmark, Sweden and Spain use that information to fill out your return and send it to you. If it looks good, you sign it and you’re done (or if you think you see a mistake, you can change it). The sole reason we don’t have such a system is that the current disaster makes billions of dollars for tax software companies, which then use a slice of that to relentlessly lobby Congress to keep the status quo."

Most rich people and corporations got their wealth by inheritance, illegal means or unfair loopholes in the law.

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/17/happy-tax-day-heres-how-corporations-plan-to-screw-you-over/

That's spot on. TurboTax and H&R Block don't want to make filing your taxes easier because if that happens no one will need TurbTax and H&R Block. And you best believe they're throwing a shit ton of $ towards lobbying against simplifying your tax returns
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
No genius. You claimed that most wealthy people or corporations acquire their wealth through nefarious, unethical or even illegal means. Back it up. And I mean back it up that most acquire it through those means.

Most people or corporations acquire their wealth through hard work, rugged individualism and offering a good or service that the public wants.

Just because your life sucks doesn't mean others are successful because they achieved it through fraud or fucking people over.

And 46 percent of Americans pay no income tax.

Most corporations are up to illegal or unethical activities, the payoff is worth the risk of getting caught, because the shareholders rarely go to jail, all they have to do is pay a fine or retire with a nice big bonus and all is forgiven.

Those 46% are either too poor to pay taxes, career criminals or rich enough to pay accountants to use every loophole in the law to not pay taxes, like Trump does. That's why he won't release his taxes.

That GOP ‘Middle Class’ Tax Cut Might Be A Big Fat Trojan Horse For The Rich
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-tax-cut_us_58f14cbce4b0da2ff860eaff
 
Only 54 percent of us pay income tax anyway. Most wealthy people use accounting firms to prepare their returns not H&R Block.

People dont use paid preparers because taxes are difficult to do themselves, they use them because they believe they will get them a bigger return.

If you get money back you're an idiot anyway. You're giving the U.S. government an interest free loan.
 
If you get money back you're an idiot anyway. You're giving the U.S. government an interest free loan.

Could someone expand on this please? I hear everyone saying it. I got money back. I don't know how or why, it just happened. I input the information from my W2 into TurboTax and they said I was getting money back. That's it. I didn't do anything wrong. I don't understand why everyone is mocking me.
 
Could someone expand on this please? I hear everyone saying it. I got money back. I don't know how or why, it just happened. I input the information from my W2 into TurboTax and they said I was getting money back. That's it. I didn't do anything wrong. I don't understand why everyone is mocking me.

Do you have children? How many allowances are your taking on withholding?
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
Those “born on first base” — in upper-class families, with inheritances up to $1 million — make up 22 percent of the 400. On “second base,” households wealthy enough to run a business big enough to generate inheritances over $1 million, the new UFE study found another 11.5 percent.
On “third base,” with inherited wealth over $50 million, sit 7 percent of America’s 400 richest. Last but not least, the “born on home plate” crowd. These high-rollers, 21.25 percent of the total Forbes list, all inherited enough to “earn” their way into top 400 status


The ‘Self-Made’ Myth
http://inequality.org/selfmade-myth-hallucinating-rich/
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
You're fucked in the head. My uncle came to Las Vegas after WWII and bought into the Flamingo off earnings made from legal book making in Omaha. He parlayed that into ownership of The Las Vegas Club, El Cortez, The Union Plaza, The Barbary Coast and a couple others. By the 80's he owned roughly %25 of downtown Las Vegas. If you tried to tell him this bullshit he would've punched you in the throat and had you knee-capped.

My brother in KC started his own construction material distribution firm and he worked three jobs trying to make ends meet while bidding on his first contracts. He's successful and did it on his own.

I started a security company on a shoestring budget and drive uber while waiting to put out bids.

Most American success stories are about people willing to make sacrifices and put in effort. We don't waste time worrying about other people's fortunes and how they got them. I guess the point is, WHO FUCKING CARES?

Good luck fomenting class warfare on a porn forum.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Is there something wrong with inheriting money? What are we supposed to do with it once we have earned it then die? Oh, I know. Tax the kids after dad already paid taxes upon earing it.
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
Don't shoot the messenger. Read the title of the thread and the links I posted.
I'm pointing out the unfair and corrupt system that mainly benefits the rich.
All large corporations are corrupt to some degree, and usually the victims are the poor or middle class.
The only reason Trump is rich, and became president, is because his father left him an inheritance of millions.
There is nothing wrong with inheritance, but don't go saying that most rich people are self made.
Only 5% of American households have more than $1 million in assets, and the estate tax only applies to them.
 
Trump built wealth before his father died.

He should be commended for taking a loan from his dad and being productive with it and not squandering it on broads and booze.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
1 out of 20 households is not a bad number as far is opportunity is concerned.

I am not so naïve to believe that corporations don't use their pencils. People should go to jail for some of their shenanigans. By the same token they also create jobs. Expand using profits. Bonuses and profit sharing for productivity. So what is the answer to sourcing jobs overseas? Let them do it and tariff them or create an incentive to bring them home? And it's not just corporations that do creative accounting, small and medium companies too. How do you know that alternator was actually replaced by your local mechanic? Workers cheating on the time cards. It's a 2 way street.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Could someone expand on this please? I hear everyone saying it. I got money back. I don't know how or why, it just happened. I input the information from my W2 into TurboTax and they said I was getting money back. That's it. I didn't do anything wrong. I don't understand why everyone is mocking me.

If your income is W-2 based (wages/salary), your tax withholding will be based on how you fill out the W-4 allowance form. The more allowances you claim, the less tax will be withheld from your pay check. Ideally, you'd want to have either a very small, or no refund when you file the following year. That means that most of your money is going in your pocket each pay period and you're not giving an interest free loan to the government. But no one should be mocking you. It's difficult, if not impossible, to get it exactly right, because withholding is also affected by one time income spikes from bonuses, profit sharing plans, overtime, etc.

Let's say that you make $60K a year and get paid once a month (to make this easy for me). So your gross is $5K/month. The more allowances you claim, less money will be withheld - and that's what you want. But let's say that you're an hourly wage earner and there's one month where you work a lot of overtime. And in that same month, your company pays out its annual profit sharing. Let's say that grand total is also $5K. So in that month, your gross is $10K. More than likely, the company's payroll service is programmed to annualize earnings for each pay period. So it will look at that month as if you're making $120K a year. The withholding from that check is going to (inaccurately) be based on that level of annual income, which is in a higher tax bracket. But W-2 earners pay taxes at the end of the year, not monthly or quarterly. So they're going to take too much out because you're going to have a gross earnings of $65K for the year, not $120K. And all things equal, you're going to get a refund through no fault of your own. Other than trying to time a massive one time investment in your 401K and/or HSA (nearly impossible to time such things), there's just not much that you'll be able to do to avoid that. And apart from all of that, you also have people who qualify for the many, many credits that the government offers. People with children or who have certain life events may get back MUCH more than was even withheld from their paychecks. Not passing judgement, but net/net, those people don't actually pay in, they take out on tax day.

But now, there are also people who think of a tax refund as some sort of yearly bonus or gift, as if the government is giving them something. They take as few allowances on the W-4 as they can, so that more is taken out of their checks and they'll get a bigger refund. That's different. They let the government borrow their money on purpose. And then some of them will pay a fee to tax prep services, lending companies, used car lots, etc. to get rapid refunds and the like. Yes, that is stupid. Those people allow themselves to be taken advantage of.

As for the message in the OP about how some governments will fill out your tax forms for you, the IRS will do that too... if you want them to. And if you're a woman with a plump rear end, Bill Cosby will let you spend the weekend at his house for free too. He'll even fix you a drink before you go to bed and encourage you to sleep on your stomach. The end result will be the same as when you allow some bureaucrat to fill out your taxes for you.
 
Just take every allowance you are entitled to on your W-4 if you want less deducted. Take 0 deductions if you want to let Uncle Sam hold onto your dough interest free and get a fat refund.

Somebody needs to start a business that will allow withholdings to be deposited with their organization for a year at a time. Pay the idiots I% AND prepare their returns for them. They'd still make out better than letting the government keep it and the people that start the business would get stinking rich.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Companies aren't allowed to sit on the withholdings for the year. Depending on the size of the business, companies have to deposit the Federal withholding either monthly or semi-weekly. Only small mom & pop businesses make annual deposits. I've forgotten what the payroll limit is.
 
Companies aren't allowed to sit on the withholdings for the year. Depending on the size of the business, companies have to deposit the Federal withholding either monthly or semi-weekly. Only small mom & pop businesses make annual deposits. I've forgotten what the payroll limit is.

Yes,I am saying if it were possible. Somebody should lobby Congress to allow withholdings to be deposited with private firms. There are also provisions and exemptions for seasonal employers. Employers file a form 941.

I am well aware of the ramifications of businesses tampering with withholdings of any kind. Be it taxes or 401k. A neighbor went to prison for 7 years for that shit.
 
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