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GOP repealed Obmacare about 50 times when Obama was in office. Can't do it even once after he's gone

Why can’t the Senate repeal Obamacare? Because its policies are actually popular


After seven years of promising to repeal Obamacare, Republicans expected that taking control of the two elected branches of government would make reaching that goal simple. With their latest stumble in doing so, we can draw two important lessons.

First, judging policy packages by their partisan wrappers rather than their actual parts can be a mistake. Second, the design of the Affordable Care Act of 2010 shares many similarities with its predecessors: the 1935 Social Security Act, the 1965 creation of Medicare and Medicaid, and the 2004 Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit expansion. All of these major pieces of social legislation at first faced skepticism or even opposition — and then became ingrained in American life.

Let’s examine these lessons here :

- Judge legislation not by its party but by its parts

According to polls, more than half of Americans opposed the ACA. Then the 2016 election did what Barack Obama failed to do: increase public support for the ACA. With that election, public support for the ACA broke the 50 percent support barrier in the Kaiser Family Foundation tracking poll. Since then, the ACA has consistently had majority support among those who offer an opinion.

That’s because many of its key provisions are remarkably popular, and the prospect of losing them has revealed the ACA’s public support.

- The ACA, like several of its predecessors, is built to last

It is only now clearer than it was before the election that most of the ACA has attained the status of an entitlement program — with provisions that significantly, though far from fully, work. And it is much harder to get rid of entitlements once they exist. In similar pieces of legislation, the general public has needed some time before appreciating the package. Skillful politicians long have understood this and have designed policies accordingly.
For instance, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt established Social Security in 1935, his goal was to ensure income security for retirees for years to come. To get there, he designed a way to give most Americans the feeling that it was theirs, broadly spreading both the taxes and the resulting benefits. As he explained:
“We put those payroll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions … their unemployment benefits. With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my Social Security program….”

Americans may have supported Social Security at first because they paid for it and felt entitled to it. But as more people began receiving benefits, they began to understand the more profound shift: Social Security lowered the distressing levels of poverty among the elderly. Some income security in retirement, however imperfect, came to be seen as a citizen’s right.

In 1965, Americans similarly embraced Medicare for seniors and Medicaid for the poor. This time President Lyndon B. Johnson did not have to resort to Medicare payroll taxes — although that would come later — to get support for the program. The benefits would be spread broadly across most Americans — and that alone was powerful enough to build political support over time. After his landslide victory in 1964, Johnson and his coalition overcame long-standing ideological opposition and public unease toward anything that could be dubbed “socialized medicine.”

- With Obama gone, the public is seeing the provisions over the politics

Similarly, now that “Obamacare’s” not universally popular namesake is out of office, the ACA is being seen for its provisions — that is, for what it has accomplished — rather than simply through the lens of partisanship.

Large majorities like nearly all of the law’s major provisions, and now they prefer the ACA over any current alternative. The November 2016 Kaiser survey numbers on this were stunning. For instance, fully 90 percent of Democrats and 82 percent of Republicans supported allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ insurance until age 26; 89 percent of Democrats and 77 percent of Republicans approved the elimination of out-of-pocket expenses for many preventive services; 91 percent and 67 percent wanted subsidies for low- and middle-income Americans to purchase insurance; 90 percent of Democrats and 67 percent of Republicans support the Medicaid expansion; 75 percent and 63 percent wanted to prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage because of one’s medical history; and 82 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of Republicans support increasing the Medicare payroll tax on earnings for upper-income Americans.

This consensus had two important exceptions: Republicans and independents opposed both the individual mandate that everyone have health insurance, and also the business mandate that employers with 50 or more employees offer insurance.
President Trump and the Republicans apparently thought that the public’s opposition to these mandates was enough to do in Obamacare. They have found that they were wrong.

- The repeal tide is going out

It may still take a while for the GOP leadership to look over its shoulder to see that most of the public is no longer siding with repeal. The July 2017 Kaiser poll numbers drive this home: Fully 71 percent of the public (91 percent of Democrats, 72 percent of independents, and even 41 percent of Republicans) want Republicans to work with Democrats to improve the ACA. Only 23 percent want to repeal and replace it.

This may not matter for the majority of Republicans in the House and the Senate who want it repealed or for those House members who worry about a primary challenge from their right. But apparently it matters to enough Republicans, including governors, who realize that they will have to confront these opinions in their next general elections and beyond.

Many of the ACA’s provisions have become part of the fabric of our health-care delivery and financing systems and have reshaped the preferences of the American public — now and for the longer term.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-policies-are-popular/?utm_term=.6429e9876dce


Also, when you're a Republican senator, voting to repeal ObamaCare knopwing that Obama's gonna veto and ObamaCare will stay is easy, it won't get you in any trouble. But when 30% of your constituents are on Medicaid, voting to repeal ObamaCare knowing that it won't be vetoed and you're gonna have to explain your constituents that you just cut medicaid by $700.000.000 is a very different story...
 
Then leave it be, if it's that popular. Democrats own it.

Republicans will pay a price for not repealing it as they promised. But this pile of shit belongs solely to the democrats. Single payer was always the goal when it failed.

The AFFORDABLE Care Act. What a fucking joke.

Like the Ministry of Truth.

or "free" healthcare.
 
I assume Johan thinks he is taking a clever jab at conservatives. The GOP senate caucus is 2/3 RINO cucks.

When Obama was president it was politically expedient to vote for a repeal only because the cucks knew he wouldn't sign it and they could run home to their states and districts shrug their shoulders and say "we tried".

There are very few conservatives in the senate and they are the ones that have fought the move to single payer.

Draining the swamp starts with getting rid of RINO cucks like McCain, Graham, Susan Collins, Moore-Capito, Murkowski and both NC cucks Tillis and Burr.

So stick your taunting up your ass.

So let's have a clean vote on repeal only and let the world see who the lying cucks are that voted for repeal in 2015 but are against it now.

That will be the first step in draining the swamp.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Then leave it be, if it's that popular. Democrats own it.

Republicans will pay a price for not repealing it as they promised. But this pile of shit belongs solely to the democrats. Single payer was always the goal when it failed.

The AFFORDABLE Care Act. What a fucking joke.

Like the Ministry of Truth.

or "free" healthcare.

I can understand your frustration. As a nation, you are new to the concept of real, practiocal instances of socialism, in regard of taking care of the lower end. The upper end, especially Wall Street, has been always taken care of, even when they conpletely crashed and burned, the country would pick up the tab.

The ACA is far from perfect, but you have to get your representatives to better it, not rape it over to push all the benefits to the upper class again, leaviong the poor out to literally die if they should get badly ill.

The perspective of you believeing the GOP hype, as an intelligent man, it's sad.
 

bobjustbob

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The ACA was ram-rodded up our asses. Faulted upon implication. Even the left recognizes that there remains faults. 7 years later congress can't come together and tweak it even with a party shift. This is bull shit. The leadership on both sides needs to change.
 
The ACA was ram-rodded up our asses. Faulted upon implication. Even the left recognizes that there remains faults. 7 years later congress can't come together and tweak it even with a party shift. This is bull shit. The leadership on both sides needs to change.

I challenge you to find any law the size and complexity of the ACA that wasn't tweaked and modified in its first years. Government exists to maintain existing laws as much as create new ones, if that weren't the case then there would be no need for them, because we'd all still be living by the first set of perfect laws.
The left has never denied that there are flaws in the ACA that need to be addressed. In fact, they've been begging republicans to stop with the temper tantrum and start doing exactly that for about 8 years now.
Repubs have had every chance in the world to come to the table and change the things they didn't like about Obamacare, but instead they spent the last 8 years trying to repeal it, knowing full well that they couldn't, which also prevented democrats from doing any maintenance, because they were too busy defending it, and now you're bitching that a 7 year old law that has had no upkeep since day 1 might not be perfect? I think in light of those circumstances, the ACA might be the most solid and resilient law in the history of laws.
 
Jeezus.

Mongo is the proverbial "turd in the swimming pool" on every thread he participates in.

I bet they make him sit outside at the "kiddie table" during family gatherings too.

Hey dipshit! The individual mandate is the main problem with Obamacare and is why real conservatives don t want to negotiate any part of it.

It was created to fail with the ultimate goal of single payer as its bailout.

There is NO negotiating or compromise possible when drawn upon principled ideological lines.

God your dumb!
 
Now we know who the liars are.

McCain
Murkowski
Portman
Moore-Capito
Alexander
Collins*
Heller

*Denotes really a liberal Democrat that voted against in 2015

All the rest voted for repeal in 2015

The GOP is a majority center left party.

That is why I left the party.

Never forget. Never ever forget.

#ArticleVconventionofstates
 
The GOP is a majority center left party.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

My God, stop talking about issues you are clueless about. You know so little about what the Left stands for...

The truth is the Left is almost non-existent in America.
The Democrats are Centrists. Some are Center-Right, some are Center-Left (but definitely not Obama and Hillary, they both belong to the center-right part of the party)
The Republicanss are Right-wingers. And some of them are Far-Right

People such as Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, or Elizabeth Warren are Center-Left, barely Left-wingers
 
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