gentlemans club question

[whalers90]

i went to a bachelor party tonight. to a place in jersey that was 98% russian chicks who pretty much didn't not put any effort into any of the dancing to get the singles that they so highly covet.
but later in the night there was 2 girls not russian. just normal ENGLISH speaking good ol girls from the USA. i got to talking to the one who had soooo much energy as opposed to any of the other Rushki girls who just flocked to the same guys for money.
this girl actually had a normal conversation with me. she was high fiving me when we talked about the same kind of stuff in our conversation. she was smiling and laughing and really "putting in an effort" to work me and the guys.
my question:
does/did this girl just give me some conversation to make a little extra cash? or was she really talking to me on a person to person level? and not some girl dancing for money? she wanted me us to stay and when i left she told me to come back on Wed thats when she works again.
i had to many friends who "really" thought (wink wink) that the gilrs at the clubs wanted them and were really interested in them.i'm not looking at this as "she was into me man! i think she wants me" but she was a pretty personal chick.
whadda ya think?
by the way she was hot.

 

[StarMan2112]

My lab partner in College worked as an "Exotic Dancer" (rule one I learned from her... don't say Stripper!!!) She told me that guys would hit on her all the time and that it could get kind of weird. One time I had to meet her at work to go over our results and I could not call her by her real name in the place since they get stalkers!

So... long story short! Go back... talk with her again! Give her your number! If she calls you then great... if not then I guess you get your answer! You are at a crossroads my friend! If you keep talking with her and not paying you could be viewed as wasting her time and cheap! Then, you think well I should ask for a private dance, but then you are just going to be like everyone else in the bar who views her as a piece of meat!

My suggestion... Don't go for a private dance with her, but when she is up in the main area give her a 5 instead of a one! That way you're going to stand out from the pack and she will remember you! Do that 2 or three times! That way you're saving face and getting on her good side! I have no doubt that after she gets off the stage you're the first person she will want to chat with!

Just let her talk about herself! I am sure she has a lot going on in her life! Don't judge and just have fun!

Yes, I realize I am giving Women advice on a porn board, but believe it or not I do get my share... I am just a horn ball!

StarMan

How about that?

 

[tubuler]

my question:
does/did this girl just give me some conversation to make a little extra cash? or was she really talking to me on a person to person level? and not some girl dancing for money?

You must always remember that this is their job. They are'nt there to communicate with you, or anybody else, on a "person to person" level.

I've worked the door at a gentlemens club and I know alot about that kind of environment.

Here are my "Top 10 Strip Club Mistakes". You should focus on number 3.

1. Using Credit Cards. You shouldn’t use credit cards period. This is how Big ******* and The Illuminati track our mind, soul and body. So, it shouldn’t be a surprise that you should never use credit cards in a Gentleman club. There are so many reasons we don’t need to go into them all here. Not the least, what are you going to do with $500 in “Beaver Bucks” when you leave?

2. Focusing on one Exotic Dancer. This is one of the most common mistakes you see guys make in a Gentleman’s Club. Don’t get spooled up over one girl. You lose all your leverage. Any semi-successful business dealmaker will tell you that the key is to have multiple deals cooking at once. That’s Leverage. Gentleman’s Clubs are no different.

3. Long drawn out conversations. News just in, Exotic Dancers are hustlers. An argument could be made, that the best of the best are maybe even the female version of The G. A far-fetched argument, but an argument could be made none the less. The longer you get caught up in sob stories, or let them weave their magic (and I am not talking about that kind of Magic that I weave to turn two kilo’s into three, either), you are at a disadvantage. Stick and move (so to speak).

4. Calling it a “strip club”. Show some class. It’s a “Gentleman’s Club”. Marks go to strip clubs. G’s go to Gentleman’s Clubs.

5. Not being suited down. And when I say, “suited down” I mean Suited properly, not some 9-5 suit that an accountant guy wears during some conference in Milwaukee. Wear something custom, flash and statement making. A 9-5 suit. (That is, 9pm to 5am). Let’s face it, most guys dress like buffoons these days. Old-school players are rolling over in their graves. (I don’t know if I have ever used the word “buffoon” before, but I can’t think of any other way to describe it.)

6. Not bringing enough CASH or Bankroll. You never want to get involved in any maneuver undercapitalized, much less a Gentleman's Club. Ever stepped into an ******* high stakes poker game with a small bankroll? Stepping into a Gentleman’s Club with a small bankroll is equally as stupid.

7. Spreading CASH around the wrong way. The wrong way is caring and showing emotion. Don’t be cheap and don’t act like you care. Exotic Dancers deserve a bottled water or some kind of weird, colorful shot when they get off stage. Some of those pole moves are tough. See if your civilian girlfriend can hang upside down on a pole and do a transfer into the splits.

8. Not locking bartenders, bouncers, waitresses and managers down. These people can be your allies or your enemies. Keep the wheels greased.

Side note: The female bartenders and waitresses can be some of the best leads in the joint.

9. Acting like every other guy. It’s a Gentleman’s Club, skippy, you didn’t sign something that says you have to tell the truth. You don’t have to use your real name either (it is not like her real name is Sapphire…right?). You don’t have to be yourself. Gentleman’s Clubs (and nightlife in general) are all about escapism. In fact, you are way better off not letting her know what you actually do for a living. If you want a girl to like you for your true Working Class Stiff self, find a civilian girl. Exotics like three types of guys: Losers, Gangsters, and International Playboy/Gs. Choose one.

10. No Dances. This kind of falls into #9. “Guy that gets dances, is guy that doesn’t get Exotic Dancers”- Famous International Playboy

 

[StarMan2112]

Kind of what I said, just a little easier to read. Nice work tubuler!

StarMan

 

[stainedblueyes]

You must always remember that this is their job. They are'nt there to communicate with you, or anybody else, on a "person to person" level.

I've worked the door at a gentlemens club and I know alot about that kind of environment.

Here are my "Top 10 Strip Club Mistakes". You should focus on number 3.

1. Using Credit Cards. You shouldn’t use credit cards period. This is how Big ******* and The Illuminati track our mind, soul and body. So, it shouldn’t be a surprise that you should never use credit cards in a Gentleman club. There are so many reasons we don’t need to go into them all here. Not the least, what are you going to do with $500 in “Beaver Bucks” when you leave?

2. Focusing on one Exotic Dancer. This is one of the most common mistakes you see guys make in a Gentleman’s Club. Don’t get spooled up over one girl. You lose all your leverage. Any semi-successful business dealmaker will tell you that the key is to have multiple deals cooking at once. That’s Leverage. Gentleman’s Clubs are no different.

3. Long drawn out conversations. News just in, Exotic Dancers are hustlers. An argument could be made, that the best of the best are maybe even the female version of The G. A far-fetched argument, but an argument could be made none the less. The longer you get caught up in sob stories, or let them weave their magic (and I am not talking about that kind of Magic that I weave to turn two kilo’s into three, either), you are at a disadvantage. Stick and move (so to speak).

4. Calling it a “strip club”. Show some class. It’s a “Gentleman’s Club”. Marks go to strip clubs. G’s go to Gentleman’s Clubs.

5. Not being suited down. And when I say, “suited down” I mean Suited properly, not some 9-5 suit that an accountant guy wears during some conference in Milwaukee. Wear something custom, flash and statement making. A 9-5 suit. (That is, 9pm to 5am). Let’s face it, most guys dress like buffoons these days. Old-school players are rolling over in their graves. (I don’t know if I have ever used the word “buffoon” before, but I can’t think of any other way to describe it.)

6. Not bringing enough CASH or Bankroll. You never want to get involved in any maneuver undercapitalized, much less a Gentleman's Club. Ever stepped into an ******* high stakes poker game with a small bankroll? Stepping into a Gentleman’s Club with a small bankroll is equally as stupid.

7. Spreading CASH around the wrong way. The wrong way is caring and showing emotion. Don’t be cheap and don’t act like you care. Exotic Dancers deserve a bottled water or some kind of weird, colorful shot when they get off stage. Some of those pole moves are tough. See if your civilian girlfriend can hang upside down on a pole and do a transfer into the splits.

8. Not locking bartenders, bouncers, waitresses and managers down. These people can be your allies or your enemies. Keep the wheels greased.

Side note: The female bartenders and waitresses can be some of the best leads in the joint.

9. Acting like every other guy. It’s a Gentleman’s Club, skippy, you didn’t sign something that says you have to tell the truth. You don’t have to use your real name either (it is not like her real name is Sapphire…right?). You don’t have to be yourself. Gentleman’s Clubs (and nightlife in general) are all about escapism. In fact, you are way better off not letting her know what you actually do for a living. If you want a girl to like you for your true Working Class Stiff self, find a civilian girl. Exotics like three types of guys: Losers, Gangsters, and International Playboy/Gs. Choose one.

10. No Dances. This kind of falls into #9. “Guy that gets dances, is guy that doesn’t get Exotic Dancers”- Famous International Playboy

Good job, but my slang is slacking somewhat, what's a mark? and what's a g?

 

[lovejoy]

i went to a bachelor party tonight. to a place in jersey that was 98% russian chicks who pretty much didn't not put any effort into any of the dancing to get the singles that they so highly covet.
but later in the night there was 2 girls not russian. just normal ENGLISH speaking good ol girls from the USA. i got to talking to the one who had soooo much energy as opposed to any of the other Rushki girls who just flocked to the same guys for money.
this girl actually had a normal conversation with me. she was high fiving me when we talked about the same kind of stuff in our conversation. she was smiling and laughing and really "putting in an effort" to work me and the guys.
my question:
does/did this girl just give me some conversation to make a little extra cash? or was she really talking to me on a person to person level? and not some girl dancing for money? she wanted me us to stay and when i left she told me to come back on Wed thats when she works again.
i had to many friends who "really" thought (wink wink) that the gilrs at the clubs wanted them and were really interested in them.i'm not looking at this as "she was into me man! i think she wants me" but she was a pretty personal chick.
whadda ya think?
by the way she was hot.

1. Russian girls are there to make money, to hell with sweat talk. Russian, East European girls are straight-forward. They dance for you for money. Talk is not their style and they don't know what is talk. Russian girls social skills is less than 0 in gentleman club. Only American girls know how to earn money in this business and have over 300 guys phone numbers and when she works, she tells her clients she is working that night by phone, or if she changes club, she calls them. This is a smart way to have your own clients. I see girls have over 500-1000 clients lists. And she does ****** on the side.

2. Only a few girls will sit down with you and talk. They are new to the business or they are so-called "fly by the night" dancers not the regular dancers in the club. They have to pay the club owner, 30-70 bucks a night.
Regular dancers go on stage and strip down. But any girl can just work one day and pay the "bar fee" at the end of the day. They don't do this kind of work regularly or they go from clubs to clubs.

3. If they sit down and talk with you, some clubs will pay them $3-$5 for every ***** you ordered for her. So even she does not dance for you, she and the club makes money.

4. The bouncer earlier missed the most important point. Clubs make money on drinks, VIP entrance fee and and dancer bar fees. Get a bottle of water and keep your mind sharp. The most important thing is to choose a club with more girls than gentlemen.

5. The most important thing is how to talk to the girls to get the most out of a dance. 20 bucks for a song (3 minutes) goes by so quick you will spend hundreds of dollars. If you do like some girls, buy her drinks and have her sit in your table and ask her for 1-2 dances and then return to the table and have a good times. DOn't burn all the money all at once.

6. VIP entrance fee is a rip-off so choose a club has no VIP room entrance fee. No need to look for 6' 2"-6'3" blond goddess, just choose a regular dark hair nice-looking girl. Girls come and go and so check out all the clubs in around your neighborhood. Some run-down clubs have the best girls, some clubs have so many rules (have to have membership $20 to get in, must have 2 drinks etc.)

7. I think strip clubs pass its time, and it is for the **** to go and get teased.
For the past 40-50 years, strip clubs remain the same and never change.

8. Last but not the least, be careful some girls will sit down with you and then order drinks (2 girls come and sit down with you and you are responsible for their drinks, so be smart and don't act like a fool) Always check out the club's environment first before even sitting down. No club is the same even the boucer made some good points.

9. Go for those clubs have at least 40-50 plus girls on Sats and so you can try them all. Always ask what can you do when you have a dance. Can you touch, can you do more. Is the dance totally nude, girls charge more for BBBJ and sex, but they will rip you off by just sliding in and out for a few times and the manager come and she stops. So you lose few hundred bucks. Don't try 2 girls, one will say I have to go on stage and disappear. Stay away from foreign chicks, I mean ugly Asian foreign chicks, they are the worst. They absolutely do not know the rules and culture in this country and only want money.

 

[whalers90]

after all that posting i would have to say that the last time i was in a strip/gentlemans club was about 5 years ago possibly more.
i don't frequent those places i have others things i would rather do.
i doubt i would go in there again. i just wanted to know if ALL of YOU thought i was crazy for thinking that this girl was actually closest to normal in that joint.?
the Russian girls there were terrible, i honestly couldn't understand them,the 1 lapdance i got the girl figured a lap-dance consisted of her whipping her hair around and kneeing me in the balls. i know the knee thing is one of those dance moves...but fuck she crushed my balls like 3 seperate times.
there was 1 russian chick who had B.O. (body odor) and another we wanted to get the bachelor a private dance...she kept rolling her eyes. so we told her to hit the bricks.
that good ole american girl just said straight out. i'm not asking you for any lapdances or to go into the "********* room". she said "im going up on stage and dancing to 3 songs" cherry pie-warrant,pour some sugar on me-def leppard and another song i forgot. and she was laughing and stuff.she told me last friday she made $400 but last night she had made $22.
So do good ole english speaking american girls NOT do this stuff anymore?

 

[Torre82]

So do good ole english speaking american girls NOT do this stuff anymore?

****, they still make that model?

I havent found a good american girl in AGES. The ones that I did find? Baggage carried over from before, or plenty nice.. but too paranoid or stupid to see what's in front of them. A shame, too.

A famous feminist once lamented,

"I jumped over the heads of all the good guys to get to the jerk in the room."

And.. whelp, whatever disease you wanna call that, a majority of these american girls have it. I'd **** for a russian girl who knows WTF she wants and doesnt dance around the issue.

Ahem, so to speak.

 

[lovejoy]

Some American girls just want to sit for a client and squeeze as much money as possible "later on" after the sweat talk. As you mention, you think she is close to normal.

It is just a job and some American girls prefer to talk first and screw you big time later.

They will talk to you, give you a light touch back rub and touch your ball, would you resist not take her to VIP/********* room" to find out more. It is just the Russian girls are low class, stupid, fat and ugly and worst of all, disease-infected and bare-back to fuck without condom, and HIV infected !

 

[lovejoy]

****, they still make that model?

I havent found a good american girl in AGES. The ones that I did find? Baggage carried over from before, or plenty nice.. but too paranoid or stupid to see what's in front of them. A shame, too.

A famous feminist once lamented,

"I jumped over the heads of all the good guys to get to the jerk in the room."

And.. whelp, whatever disease you wanna call that, a majority of these american girls have it. I'd **** for a russian girl who knows WTF she wants and doesnt dance around the issue.

Ahem, so to speak.

I haven't find one American girl either that is NOT crazy and insane. They will do everything to get you into VIP room.

My experience is go to the joint in early afternoon. I sometimes go around 1-3 p.m. Know the owner of the club. Normally around that time, there is no bouncer. Buy all the girls pizza (two large pizzas) and put one dollar as tip in your mouth. all 14 girls dance with their pussies onto your face. This may only work in Memphis, Tenn, not far from the King's Mansion (Elvis's mansion).

 

[Vim Fuego]

To all,

Just go to Prague (Czech Republic)......in Europe, a place east of the USA. Awesome, just awesome. Anything goes guys

Not taking the ****, I just know our american friends are **** at geography.

 

[kuruption]

I just think she wanted to get some extra cash. Last time I went to a gentlemens club I was talking to this good looking black girl and we talked about everything for a long period of time. We even talked about zodiac signs . After some time ****** by she asked me if I wanted a dance, and I went ahead and got one. In the back she was licking me and doing all the good stuff, but not for one second did I think she was into me. Just remember, you can't turn a *** into a housewife.

 

[zell]

i went to a bachelor party tonight. to a place in jersey that was 98% russian chicks who pretty much didn't not put any effort into any of the dancing to get the singles that they so highly covet.
but later in the night there was 2 girls not russian. just normal ENGLISH speaking good ol girls from the USA. i got to talking to the one who had soooo much energy as opposed to any of the other Rushki girls who just flocked to the same guys for money.
this girl actually had a normal conversation with me. she was high fiving me when we talked about the same kind of stuff in our conversation. she was smiling and laughing and really "putting in an effort" to work me and the guys.
my question:
does/did this girl just give me some conversation to make a little extra cash? or was she really talking to me on a person to person level? and not some girl dancing for money? she wanted me us to stay and when i left she told me to come back on Wed thats when she works again.
i had to many friends who "really" thought (wink wink) that the gilrs at the clubs wanted them and were really interested in them.i'm not looking at this as "she was into me man! i think she wants me" but she was a pretty personal chick.
whadda ya think?
by the way she was hot.

No offense,but I think that you're being foolish if you think that she was actually trying to come off as genuine.Now there might be a slight possibility that if the place was over run with Russians and she was just looking for someone to talk to,then she just chatted you guys up,but believe you me at the end of the day it came down to the loot.

If you really think that she was being genuine,ask her what her real name is,ask about her ****** and start digging deep about how she started doing what she's doing.I'm not saying be a dick and treat her like she's a low life for dancing,but try to probe into her psyche and see if she flinches.

Also, I would like to add one more rule that wasn't listed.
The hottest girl in the club or the girl that spends most of her night in the "********* room",avoid like the plague! These girls know how good they look and for some reason figure that they don't have to work as hard,and they usually don't.They'll wiggle their ass a little and dance all slow and that's about it.You'll come out felling like "what did I just spend my money on?"

Look for the girls that work that pole like there's no tomorrow,if you are determined to get a lap dance.chances are,she'll work and grind you down to dust and you'll be begging for more.But don't do it,just go back to the table and chill out with your boys and enjoy the night.

Oh,and one more thing,if at all possible,don't get a dance from the same girl/girls that your friends got one from,that's how they really work you over.

 

[Vim Fuego]

No offense,but I think that you're being foolish if you think that she was actually trying to come off as genuine.Now there might be a slight possibility that if the place was over run with Russians and she was just looking for someone to talk to,then she just chatted you guys up,but believe you me at the end of the day it came down to the loot.

If you really think that she was being genuine,ask her what her real name is,ask about her ****** and start digging deep about how she started doing what she's doing.I'm not saying be a dick and treat her like she's a low life for dancing,but try to probe into her psyche and see if she flinches.

Also, I would like to add one more rule that wasn't listed.
The hottest girl in the club or the girl that spends most of her night in the "********* room",avoid like the plague! These girls know how good they look and for some reason figure that they don't have to work as hard,and they usually don't.They'll wiggle their ass a little and dance all slow and that's about it.You'll come out felling like "what did I just spend my money on?"

Look for the girls that work that pole like there's no tomorrow,if you are determined to get a lap dance.chances are,she'll work and grind you down to dust and you'll be begging for more.But don't do it,just go back to the table and chill out with your boys and enjoy the night.

Oh,and one more thing,if at all possible,don't get a dance from the same girl/girls that your friends got one from,that's how they really work you over.

I would also add, don't go for anyone with false tits. Dreadful things. Europe it's not too bad 60:40 false to real, but the USA fuck me !!! it's 95/5, dreadful things.

 

[Torre82]

I would also add, don't go for anyone with false tits. Dreadful things. Europe it's not too bad 60:40 false to real, but the USA fuck me !!! it's 95/5, dreadful things.

We like our women like we want our cars. Overpriced, prone to breakdowns and filled with foreign parts!

... holy **** I really like that analogy.

 

[FreeThugz]

To all,

Just go to Prague (Czech Republic)......in Europe, a place east of the USA. Awesome, just awesome. Anything goes guys

Not taking the ****, I just know our american friends are **** at geography.

Listen to the man Ive been to Prague 4 times and going back for my 5th tour of duty in November, its THE best place ive been too impdaddy

 

[xxaru]

I think the key here is that she told you to come back "when she was working"... meaning she wants you to give her more money. If she wanted differently, she would've told you to come back after she got off work, etc.

 

[zell]

I think the key here is that she told you to come back "when she was working"... meaning she wants you to give her more money. If she wanted differently, she would've told you to come back after she got off work, etc.

Exactly! It's the same old trap that they've been pulling for ages.

 

[tubuler]

Good job, but my slang is slacking somewhat, what's a mark? and what's a g?

A "mark" is a guy who doesn't realize that he's being played by a dancer. A "mark" actually believes that dancers really like him and want to connect with him on a personal level.

A "G" is smart enough to know that dancers look at men the same way they look at ATM machines. A "G" knows how to manage his Gentlemens Club time wisely and doesn't waste his time focusing on one dancer just because she acts like she's interested in him.

 

[D-rock]

You must always remember that this is their job. They are'nt there to communicate with you, or anybody else, on a "person to person" level.

I've worked the door at a gentlemens club and I know alot about that kind of environment.

Here are my "Top 10 Strip Club Mistakes". You should focus on number 3.

1. Using Credit Cards. You shouldn’t use credit cards period. This is how Big ******* and The Illuminati track our mind, soul and body. So, it shouldn’t be a surprise that you should never use credit cards in a Gentleman club. There are so many reasons we don’t need to go into them all here. Not the least, what are you going to do with $500 in “Beaver Bucks” when you leave?

2. Focusing on one Exotic Dancer. This is one of the most common mistakes you see guys make in a Gentleman’s Club. Don’t get spooled up over one girl. You lose all your leverage. Any semi-successful business dealmaker will tell you that the key is to have multiple deals cooking at once. That’s Leverage. Gentleman’s Clubs are no different.

3. Long drawn out conversations. News just in, Exotic Dancers are hustlers. An argument could be made, that the best of the best are maybe even the female version of The G. A far-fetched argument, but an argument could be made none the less. The longer you get caught up in sob stories, or let them weave their magic (and I am not talking about that kind of Magic that I weave to turn two kilo’s into three, either), you are at a disadvantage. Stick and move (so to speak).

4. Calling it a “strip club”. Show some class. It’s a “Gentleman’s Club”. Marks go to strip clubs. G’s go to Gentleman’s Clubs.

5. Not being suited down. And when I say, “suited down” I mean Suited properly, not some 9-5 suit that an accountant guy wears during some conference in Milwaukee. Wear something custom, flash and statement making. A 9-5 suit. (That is, 9pm to 5am). Let’s face it, most guys dress like buffoons these days. Old-school players are rolling over in their graves. (I don’t know if I have ever used the word “buffoon” before, but I can’t think of any other way to describe it.)

6. Not bringing enough CASH or Bankroll. You never want to get involved in any maneuver undercapitalized, much less a Gentleman's Club. Ever stepped into an ******* high stakes poker game with a small bankroll? Stepping into a Gentleman’s Club with a small bankroll is equally as stupid.

7. Spreading CASH around the wrong way. The wrong way is caring and showing emotion. Don’t be cheap and don’t act like you care. Exotic Dancers deserve a bottled water or some kind of weird, colorful shot when they get off stage. Some of those pole moves are tough. See if your civilian girlfriend can hang upside down on a pole and do a transfer into the splits.

8. Not locking bartenders, bouncers, waitresses and managers down. These people can be your allies or your enemies. Keep the wheels greased.

Side note: The female bartenders and waitresses can be some of the best leads in the joint.

9. Acting like every other guy. It’s a Gentleman’s Club, skippy, you didn’t sign something that says you have to tell the truth. You don’t have to use your real name either (it is not like her real name is Sapphire…right?). You don’t have to be yourself. Gentleman’s Clubs (and nightlife in general) are all about escapism. In fact, you are way better off not letting her know what you actually do for a living. If you want a girl to like you for your true Working Class Stiff self, find a civilian girl. Exotics like three types of guys: Losers, Gangsters, and International Playboy/Gs. Choose one.

10. No Dances. This kind of falls into #9. “Guy that gets dances, is guy that doesn’t get Exotic Dancers”- Famous International Playboy

That's way too much work to ever be worth it. :1orglaugh