FBI terrifying raid

[Will E Worm]

Bellevue family sues FBI over terrifying raid

The lasting impact of the raid on Gary Adams' home became clear in a comment from his 3-year-old granddaughter during a recent trip to the pharmacy.

"She said, 'Granddad. Police. Hide,' " Adams, 57, of Bellevue recalled Wednesday while discussing the federal lawsuit he filed against the officers who burst into his home March 3.

Led by FBI Special Agent Karen Springmeyer, about a dozen officers used a battering ram to enter Adams' rented Orchard Street home in a search for Sondra Hunter, then 35. But Hunter hadn't lived at that address for almost two years, while Adams and his family had been living there for more than a year, according to the lawsuit filed by Adams and 10 other family members.

The family crowded into a Downtown conference room with their lawyer, Timothy O'Brien, to discuss the case.

An FBI spokeswoman referred all calls to the U.S. Attorney's Office, where a spokeswoman declined to comment.

The lawsuit says that officers knew, or should have known, that Hunter no longer lived there. By executing an arrest warrant at a residence that wasn't Hunter's, they violated the family's Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure, and their Fifth Amendment right to due process, the lawsuit says.

The officers were part of a local, state and federal task force rounding up more than three dozen people suspected of being members of the Manchester Original Gangsters street gang. Hunter was still at large at the end of the sweep, and court records show that she was living in Long Beach, Calif., at the time. She returned to Pittsburgh when she heard she was wanted by the police.

She is charged with conspiracy and heroin trafficking and is free on a $25,000unsecured bond.

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Shameful :nono: No warrant raid.

Wait...charged with conspiracy!? :surprise: They always say there's no such thing. :tongue:

 

[Ace Bandage]

The person they were looking for had moved, and the FBI was unaware of that. The people are living in a residence that is rented out to tenants and information about the current occupants may not be updated regularly.

While the FBI made a mistake, that doesn't entitle this man and his 10 goddamn relatives to any sort of settlement. I hate this lawsuit bullshit. Get on with your fucking lives. The family is just looking for a way to make money off of the situation. No one was traumatized; you don't deserve a dime.

If they win, maybe they can buy their own goddamn house one day.

 

[Will E Worm]

The person they were looking for had moved, and the FBI should have known that. If they are such a great and needed organization.

The FBI made a bad choice, people were traumatized and that does entitle them to a settlement.

Next time they should have a warrant. Instead of running in on people like they are the KGB.

 

[Ace Bandage]

For fuck's sake, read the article. They were executing an arrest warrant for her. That's why they knocked down the goddamn door. And you can't blame the FBI for not knowing about the change of occupants. People being pursued by the police who have arrest warrants out for them rarely file the proper change of address papers. That would defeat the purpose of fleeing, wouldn't it?

 

[Will E Worm]

I don't care. They always have an excuse, a poor excuse.
They think they can just do anything they wish like they were the KGB.
They should think and do more investigating and have a warrant.

SWAT raid

SWAT team murders Iraq war vet and father

 

[mrtrebus]

I don't care. They always have an excuse, a poor excuse.
They think they can just do anything they wish like they were the KGB.
They should think and do more investigating and have a warrant.

SWAT raid

SWAT team murders Iraq war vet and father

There is NO difference between the FBI & the KGB.

 

[lurkingdirk]

There is NO difference between the FBI & the KGB.

Wouldn't the CIA technically be more of the KGB equivalent, if we're going to make such wild declarations?

 

[mrtrebus]

Wouldn't the CIA technically be more of the KGB equivalent, if we're going to make such wild declarations?

No. It wouldn't.

 

[Will E Worm]

There is NO difference between the FBI & the KGB.

We don't need either.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Wouldn't the CIA technically be more of the KGB equivalent?

In his analogy, not really. When the OSS (what the CIA was initially called) was proposed, congress refused to establish the agency out of fear that it would devolve into a KGB-like entity and the USA would become another Soviet Union. As a compromise, congress allowed it only on the condition where it would only be a spy agency against foreign threats and that the spy agency would have no domestic powers, meaning that they could not spy on American citizens and they were specifically forbidden from conducting any type of covert activities on American soil.

I have no doubt the CIA violates these mandates on a daily basis.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Will you ignorant slut. You started this thread under the pretense that the FBI executed a warrantless search, when it clearly stated they had a warrant in the article. That the subject of the warrant wasn't there isn't relevant.

What kind of shithead teaches their three year old to fear the police?

I hope this goes before a sensible judge who hates frivolous law suits as much as me.

 

[Ike Stain]

While the FBI made a mistake, that doesn't entitle this man and his 10 goddamn relatives to any sort of settlement. I hate this lawsuit bullshit. Get on with your fucking lives. The family is just looking for a way to make money off of the situation. No one was traumatized; you don't deserve a dime.

Certainly the landlord is entitled to a new door. You can't argue that!

 

[busaguy79]

Wheres Picard when you need him????

There he is!!

 

[Will E Worm]

Johnnystyro

about a dozen officers used a battering ram

They could have knocked on the door and presented the warrant.

After all the KGB do.. I mean the police everyone should be wary of them.

 

[Connor Macleod]

The person they were looking for had moved, and the FBI was unaware of that. The people are living in a residence that is rented out to tenants and information about the current occupants may not be updated regularly.

While the FBI made a mistake, that doesn't entitle this man and his 10 goddamn relatives to any sort of settlement. I hate this lawsuit bullshit. Get on with your fucking lives. The family is just looking for a way to make money off of the situation. No one was traumatized; you don't deserve a dime.

If they win, maybe they can buy their own goddamn house one day.

Will you ignorant slut. You started this thread under the pretense that the FBI executed a warrantless search, when it clearly stated they had a warrant in the article. That the subject of the warrant wasn't there isn't relevant.

What kind of shithead teaches their three year old to fear the police?

I hope this goes before a sensible judge who hates frivolous law suits as much as me.

First, I doubt this guy taught a 3 year old to fear the police. I would say any 3 year old witnessing a bunch of gung-ho, trigger-happy guys busting into her house would be traumatized.

Second, how many times have we read news articles about police busting into the wrong house and hurting and/or killing innocent people. It's all about responsibility. You may argue that they had the right house and they had a warrant, but here's the problem: Their warrant gave them the right to search the house of Sondra Hunter, but she had not lived there in almost two years. As such, this made the warrant invalid and the subsequent search, illegal. I'm not saying the police did something wrong, but it definitely was someone's responsibility to verify the information, which they failed to do, and that someone must be held accountable.

 

[Ace Bandage]

You may argue that they had the right house and they had a warrant, but here's the problem: Their warrant gave them the right to search the house of Sondra Hunter, but she had not lived there in almost two years. As such, this made the warrant invalid and the subsequent search, illegal. I'm not saying the police did something wrong, but it definitely was someone's responsibility to verify the information, which they failed to do, and that someone must be held accountable.

Wrong. They did not have a search warrant, they had an arrest warrant. Search warrants are used to collect evidence, arrest warrants are used to arrest people wanted for felonies or misdemeanors. The FBI believed that Ms. Hunter was at the house, thus their entry into the house was perfectly legal. The fact that felons don't file the proper change of address papers is not the fault of the FBI.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Wrong. They did not have a search warrant, they had an arrest warrant. Search warrants are used to collect evidence, arrest warrants are used to arrest people wanted for felonies or misdemeanors. The FBI believed that Ms. Hunter was at the house, thus their entry into the house was perfectly legal. The fact that felons don't file the proper change of address papers is not the fault of the FBI.

Fine, they had an arrest warrant, but perhaps you should have read my entire post. They were acting on info that was almost two years old. It needed to be verified and it would have been very easy to do so, but they failed. These constant failures are exactly why they keep screwing up and lawsuits keep getting filed. If they'd just do their damn job, shit like this wouldn't happen.

 

[Ace Bandage]

Fine, they had an arrest warrant, but perhaps you should have read my entire post. They were acting on info that was almost two years old. It needed to be verified and it would have been very easy to do so, but they failed. These constant failures are exactly why they keep screwing up and lawsuits keep getting filed. If they'd just do their damn job, shit like this wouldn't happen.

Perhaps you did not read my entire post

While the FBI made a mistake, that doesn't entitle this man and his 10 goddamn relatives to any sort of settlement. I hate this lawsuit bullshit. Get on with your fucking lives. The family is just looking for a way to make money off of the situation. No one was traumatized; you don't deserve a dime.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Perhaps you did not read my entire post

Yes, I did. It just seems to me that you don't want to hold these people accountable for their screw-ups. Whether it be a lawsuit, or disciplinary action, turning a blind eye to actions like this just makes matters worse. I for one don't want to live in a world like that and thankfully the courts won't allow that world to exist.

 

[Ace Bandage]

Yes, I did. It just seems to me that you don't want to hold these people accountable for their screw-ups. Whether it be a lawsuit, or disciplinary action, turning a blind eye to actions like this just makes matters worse. I for one don't want to live in a world like that and thankfully the courts won't allow that world to exist.

I don't think that 10 people are entitled to millions of dollars because the FBI mistakenly knocked down a door to a house they don't even own. I also don't believe that the officers involved deserve any disciplinary action. They were trying to arrest a fugitive, and were acting on an outdated address. No one was harmed in the incident. Fix the door and move on.

We'll have to agree to disagree I guess.

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