Defunding Planned Parenthood would result in less abortions ? Not exactly...

Texas Study Shows How Defunding Planned Parenthood Actually Increased Abortion Rates


State's teen abortion rate and teen birth rate both spiked after lawmakers cut funding and closed more than 80 family planning clinics


Illustrating the potential consequences if Republicans fulfill their threat to defund Planned Parenthood nationwide, a new study shows that when Texas slashed state funding for family planning clinics in 2011, the abortion rate among teenagers in the state actually increased.

The Texas state legislature launched a series of attacks on reproductive rights, beginning in 2011, when it cut funding for family planning services by 67 percent and restructured the way it allocates the remaining funds. These measures closed more than 80 clinics, including 11 Planned Parenthood clinics. One of the purported goals, said Republican backers, was to decrease abortion rates. As then-governor Rick Perry said: "We will continue to pass laws to ensure abortions are as rare as possible under existing law."
However, according to the new study, the state's funding cuts had the opposite effect—with the state's teen abortion rate rising by an average of more than three percent over three years in the wake of slashed funds and shuttered clinics.

The study, which will be published in the Journal of Health Economics, was conducted by economics professor Analisa Packham, now based at Miami University. In addition to the increased abortion rates, Packham also found that the state's teen birth rate grew by approximately 3.4 percent in the four years after the cuts, concentrated in counties with high poverty rates.
Packham's findings are especially troubling when compared with national numbers. The Centers for Disease Control has documented decreasing rates of teen pregnancies on a national level, and the national abortion rate is at its lowest level since the Roe v Wade decision in 1973.

"This certainly isn't the way to have fewer abortions," Dr. Diane Horvath-Cosper, an OB-GYN and advocate with Physicians for Reproductive Health, but not involved with the study, told the Huffington Post. "The abortion rates nationally have decreased and are at a historic low. So for Texans to see an increase in adolescent abortions is really telling―it seemed to have followed the national trend until these clinics were defunded."

Family planning clinics such as Planned Parenthood provide free or affordable services that typically include contraception, testing for sexually transmitted diseases, and counseling services. However, the organization has been under attack from conservatives seeking to curtail women's abortion rights and access to reproductive care. Eliminating Planned Parenthood in Texas, as Packham notes in study, was a main goal of state lawmakers who passed funding cuts:

One reason behind defunding Planned Parenthood is that although centers that receive public funding are not legally allowed to provide abortion services, publicly funded Planned Parenthood clinics are affiliated with abortion providers. State rules define abortion clinic "affiliation" as any clinic that shares an organizational name with an entity that performs abortions elsewhere. Proponents of policies to defund Planned Parenthood argue that public money can be distributed across clinics in the same organization and can indirectly fund abortions, despite the fact that shifting funds is illegal and all family planning services at publicly funded clinics are billed separately. Nevertheless, based on their affiliation with abortion clinics, Texas Planned Parenthood centers that provide only contraception services, STD screening and other women’s health services were a primary target for 2011 funding cuts.

As a presidential candidate, last year Donald Trump vowed to defund Planned Parenthood at the national level, adding to a long series of statements and failed attempts by GOP lawmakers—including Vice President Mike Pence, who is said to have started the Republican war against Planned Parenthood when, as a congressman, he sponsored the first bill to defund the organization in 2007. The Senate's current health care bill specifically targets Planned Parenthood and would prevent the group from receiving Medicaid funding for at least one year. Planned Parenthood—which operates more than 600 clinics nationwide and serves an extimated 2.4 million people each year—receives about $550 million annually in federal funding.

In addition to the risk that the nation could see increases in teen pregnancies and abortions if Planned Parenthood loses its federal funding, low-income women would be disproportionately affected. As Alana Romain wrote for Romper:

Perhaps one of the most frustrating aspects of the debate about Planned Parenthood though is the fact that the organization provides much-needed health care services, but that is often overshadowed by the fact that it also happens to offer abortion services. The reality though is that the bulk of the care Planned Parenthood clinics provide actually includes important reproductive health care services that have nothing to do with abortion at all (think prenatal care, cancer screenings, STD tests, and access to contraception). What's more is that millions of Americans—especially those who are low-income or who have other barriers to health care access—rely on those services, and if the clinics are defunded, they will be at risk of being left without a provider.

That's especially concerning given that the implication that public funds somehow already currently fund abortions at Planned Parenthood clinics (or any other clinic, for that matter) is flat-out wrong: according to Quartz, health clinics have never been able to use federal funds for abortions since Title X was first enacted in 1976. And given the fact that Planned Parenthood is a major health care provider for many low-income Americans—Medicaid patients make up more than half of Planned Parenthood’s client load, according to The Washington Post—it seems that the only thing the bill will actually accomplish will be making it harder for already-marginalized individuals to get the necessary (and sometimes life-saving) health care they need.

Planned Parenthood estimates that each year its clinics provide:
Services to prevent unintended pregnancy to 80 percent of patients;
More than 295,000 Pap tests and more than 320,000 breast exams, which are services women's doctors use to detect cancer;
More than 4.2 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including more than 650,000 HIV tests.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...-parenthood-actually-increased-abortion-rates



This is what happens when you reduce access to contraception : more teen pregnancies and more abortions

Great move Texas, great move GOP :thumbsup:
 
Facts are for liberals, Johan. Woke as fuck muricans aren't interested in your bullshit libtard truth.
 
Facts are for liberals, Johan. Woke as fuck muricans aren't interested in your bullshit libtard truth.
Fuck off, stupid, you're not helping, you're just giving liberals a bad name...
 
And who are you helping, Johan? How many members of this board are going to read this and say "I was all for defunding planned parenthood, but now that I know that it actually helps people I realize I might have been wrong!" You've been posting threads like this for years and you've never changed a single opinion. What makes you think you're smarter than I am?

You're arguing facts and logic with people who can look at the last 6 months in America and say this is the best president they've ever had. People who can receive a signed confession from trump jr, kushner and manafort and say this is nothing. The time for facts passed long ago. They are impervious to facts. You keep trying to bring them back with proof but it's never going to happen. They're not wayward sheep who can be shown the way. They are tyrants who only want to force their will on everyone.

Republicans are the enemy of democracy, intelligence, and truth. They are fanatics whose only reality is what fox news or their god emperor tells them, anything else is a lie. And you keep trying to show them with statistics that planned parenthood isn't run by satan worshippers. And you call me the stupid one.

This division we're seeing in America isn't going to be healed by talking, if it's ever healed at all. And it's not going to just stay in America, you of all people should know that. Are you just going to sit and talk while ignorance and hate takes over your country, the way it has in the USA? Probably. But I'm the stupid one.
 
Johan, thanks for posting that.

I do appreciate your posts and ponder the serious ones seriously. Don't listen to mongo as he clearly represents the extreme.

Reducing access to contraception would logically lead to a higher teen pregnancy rate and thus more abortions. I understand that point.

I have a counterpoint but I have to go right now.

Cheers.
 
Johan, thanks for posting that.

I do appreciate your posts and ponder the serious ones seriously. Don't listen to mongo as he clearly represents the extreme.

Reducing access to contraception would logically lead to a higher teen pregnancy rate and thus more abortions. I understand that point.

I have a counterpoint but I have to go right now.

Cheers.

OMG you did it Johan! He's acting presidential!!! This completely cancels out the last ten thousand things he's said. Everything's going to be pleasant, mature conversations full of people respecting your opinions from now on!
 
plan parenthood is not the only place that have contraceptives. pharmacies have condoms and other birth control stuff
Pharmacies will sell you contraception. Planned Parenthood would do the same (or give it to you if you don't have money), explain you how to use it, how to talk to your parents about it, etc.
That's the difference between doing business and providing social services.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
You tards aren't looking at the big picture. The move to defund those ghouls is primarily to stop funneling taxpayer money to the DNC. Besides, that cunt Samantha Bee just proved that private funding works just as well by auctioning shitty stupid t-shirts and raising a million dollars.
 
Actually the money PP gives to the DNC is the money they make selling baby parts (which is $0)
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Defunding Planned Parenthood will do what? Not have rubbers to buy? Not having morning after pills to buy? Stop parents from telling their kids that fucking produces kids? How much children cost year by year?

Cut that shit off just like public television. The information is out there for everyone to see what life is like. Risks of conception when fucking. Fund this movement with private money.
 
Defunding Planned Parenthood will do what? Not have rubbers to buy? Not having morning after pills to buy? Stop parents from telling their kids that fucking produces kids? How much children cost year by year?

Cut that shit off just like public television. The information is out there for everyone to see what life is like. Risks of conception when fucking. Fund this movement with private money.
I understand your position : You're in favor of individual responsability, as your are on a number of issues. It's a principle you hold high, maybe higher than anything else. And you're consistent about it. Whenever you take side on an issue, you chooses the option of individual responsability, wether it's a Right or Left position.
I respect that, I respect the man who holds his principles above politics.

But we're talking about people. Sometimes people aren't logic. When dealing with people you often have to be pragmatic rather than idealist. You often have to favor what actually works, what actually produces results even if it doesn't matches with your principles.
Principles are good to guide you, help you to make decisions but they shouldn't lead you or decide for you.
 
Johan, thanks for posting that.

I do appreciate your posts and ponder the serious ones seriously. Don't listen to mongo as he clearly represents the extreme.

Reducing access to contraception would logically lead to a higher teen pregnancy rate and thus more abortions. I understand that point.

I have a counterpoint but I have to go right now.

Cheers.

k i'm back. My counterpoint would be that less or no abortions would lead to less abortions.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Johan, you are wasting a lot of time if you try to discuss topics like these with our cromagnon guys. The concept of a modern society and solidarity appears to be lost around here.

Agaon, the Ignore List is a good friend.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Jo, I do place a lot of responsibilities on individuals. I am also not absent to the fact that people make mistakes. When that happens, there should be people to guide them in the right directions. I acknowledge that such a thing is trying for the people involved. My problem is that abortions are being a use of contraception. Those that have been careless about their sexual promiscuity. I shouldn't have to foot the bill for such things.
 
Abortion used as contraception ?
Any woman would had to to through abortion would tell you how emotionnaly, psychologicaly and morally, painfull it is.
I assume some are using it much too often but we're talking about a dire minority and the huge majority of women who uses it rarely -like once or maybe twice in their lifetime- shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of such a dire minority.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Yes, it is used as contraception. More common than you think. We have television shows here that are based on DNA testing to see who the fathers are of children. This fatherless child thing is an epidemic. Planned Parenthood has made no impact on these things.
 
Just because there's a TV show on it doesn't mean it's common.

Yes, PP had an impact of this. The fact that, when Texas defubnded PP, abortions and teen pregnancies have risen while it decreased on a nationa level and althought it used to dcrease in Texas as well before PP was defunded proves that impact.

No Planned Parenthood = more teen pregnancies and more abortions. You may not like it but it's a proven fact.
 
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