Definition: Football = Football | American Football ≠ Football

Supafly

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Football = Football | American Football ≠ Football

The name of the game is "Football".

Definition: A game wehre a team of players, moves the ball (That is a round sphere) with their foots (In exceptions, legs, torso and head are allowed to use) to score goals. Only one player of each team is allowed to touch the ball with his hands, and only for very short times.

"American Football" is, therefior, not football. The object used is not a ball, it rather resembles some vegetable, it is only played by foot by one player per team, and that person has to be brought into play on special occasions. All plaers only use their hands.

US-Americans have to find a new term for this game.

Repeat: Football = Football | American Football ≠ Football
 

bobjustbob

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Tough shit. We now own the term football. The rest of you will have to change your game to soccer. Regular season games are being played in England and a franchise will emerge. Next will be Paris, then Rome, then Berlin. There is no stopping us. We will have you people measuring in yards and drinking 16oz beers. Mwa ha ha ha ha.
 

Supafly

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Sorry bob. Try better. The world plays Football - you are dragging behind. I know that you US-Americans are still slow at comprehending that this is no more the last century, but with universal health care and new gun laws etc coming along, you will arrive in what we call today.

And there are several factors stopping you, Football is one of the minor issues.

Football = Football, you play something else-
 
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Who cares. We still play it here anyways. Call it real football all you want but Americans are not going change the name of the NFL.
 

Supafly

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Who cares. We still play it here anyways. Call it real football all you want but Americans are not going change the name of the NFL.

Of COURSE not. That is the downside of having been the dominant country for so long. Changing minds takes a LOT longer. And why shouldn't you call it Football when you play with yourself? It is a little like the scottish Highland Gaames or Sumo: Local fun, when we zap through channels on TV and it comes up, for a while it is fun, but it is just not appealing.
 

Mayhem

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Well hey, WTF is up with "Basketball"? A basket is something you carry your laundry in. It has a bottom, it has sides. So why are they calling it basketball when there are no baskets in sight? Huh? HUH?
 
Normally, I would be way more willing to side with whomever invents a term first in situations like these,...but in this case soccer loses out because the sport just sucks that much.

Of course all this ignores that the term "soccer" for the sport originates for the 19th century by the Brits themselves, and that Rugby was also called football at one point also. Part of the reason it was called that was to differentiate soccer from rugby. We are hardly alone in the blame of the whole aspect of two sports being called the same thing let alone one sport somehow being called two things.
 
There is no stopping us. We will have you people measuring in yards and drinking 16oz beers. Mwa ha ha ha ha.

Funnily enough, football makes more sense in yards. If someone tells me a goal was scored from 30 yards, I'm impressed. If one of those Eurozone pillocks flash something up telling me how many metres out Cristiano was, it means nothing to me. 6 yard box, 18 yard box. They don't even translate to metres in integers, so what's the point? "50 yard cross-field ball" resonates to me. Football is measured in yards to me, forever.

16oz glasses are for Coke, not beer.
 
Normally, I would be way more willing to side with whomever invents a term first in situations like these,...but in this case soccer loses out because the sport just sucks that much.

Of course all this ignores that the term "soccer" for the sport originates for the 19th century by the Brits themselves, and that Rugby was also called football at one point also. Part of the reason it was called that was to differentiate soccer from rugby. We are hardly alone in the blame of the whole aspect of two sports being called the same thing let alone one sport somehow being called two things.

Soccer is not a bad sport.

The whole soccer sucks in the US is just a catch phrase by football fanatics to detour people from playing it and watching it.

I love the UEFA Champions League competition.

Only two changes I would like to see is a NHL offside line and players stopping flopping to draw opponents yellow or red cards.
 

feller469

Moving to a trailer in Fife, AL.
How about this...In America, the NFL game will be referred to as "football" and the most popular sport in the world will be referred to as "soccer." In the rest of the world, the NFL will be referred to as "American football" and the other sport as football.

Any clarification needed? As this discussion has been going on for many years and will never end to the satisfaction of all, this happy medium should appease all. Besides, we all have more important things to worry about. Like 1) When will Tony Romo throw an idiotic pass that gets intercepted and costs the Cowboys the game setting off the downward spiral to 8-8 AGAIN? and 2) if Wayne Rooney slips on a patch of ice in his driveway, is it a yellow card against Sunderland and should a PK be awarded?
 
Is it called soccer or should it be call football the controversy rages on.

But for me the greatest team sport of all-time is America’s favorite pastime, baseball. It’s truly the most democratic game of all. Baseball has always been a game where any talented individual could pick up a bat or glove and show off his skills despite his size. Bigger men generally have an advantage in other sports they’re more powerful and people marvel at their strength. But in baseball size really doesn't matter. Just look at the careers of these three men who graced the diamond for several seasons, despite their lack of size. Luis Aparicio, Phil Rizzuto and Bobby Shantz.

A few years back Detroit Tigers Hall of Fame baseball play-by play announcer put into words his definition of baseball. With your indulgences I'd like to share with all of you, Ernie’s thoughts.

“Baseball is the President tossing out the first ball of the season and a scrubby schoolboy playing catch with his dad on a Mississippi farm. A tall, thin old man waving a scorecard from the corner of his dugout (Connie Mack). That's baseball. And so is the big, fat guy with a bulbous nose running home one of his (Babe Ruth's) 714 home runs.

There's a man in Mobile who remembers that Honus Wagner hit a triple in Pittsburgh forty-six years ago. That's baseball. So is the scout reporting that a sixteen year old pitcher in Cheyenne is a coming Walter Johnson. Baseball is a spirited race of man against man, reflex against reflex. A game of inches. Every skill is measured. Every heroic, every failing is seen and cheered, or booed. And then becomes a statistic.

In baseball democracy shines its clearest. The only race that matters is the race to the bag. The creed is the rulebook. Color merely something to distinguish one team's uniform from another.

Baseball is a rookie. His experience no bigger than the lump in his throat as he begins fulfillment of his dream. It's a veteran too, a tired old man of thirty-five hoping that those aching muscles can pull him through another sweltering August and September. Nicknames are baseball, names like Zeke and Pie and Kiki and Home Run and Cracker and Dizzy and Dazzy.

Baseball is the cool, clear eyes of Rogers Hornsby. The flashing spikes of Ty Cobb, an over aged pixie named Rabbit Maranville. Baseball is just a game, as simple as a ball and bat, yet as complex as the American spirit it symbolizes. A sport, a business and sometimes almost even a religion.

Why the fairy tale of Willie Mays making a brilliant World's Series catch. And then dashing off to play stick ball in the street with his teenage pals. That's baseball. So is the husky voice of a doomed Lou Gehrig saying., "I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth.”

Baseball is cigar smoke, hot roasted peanuts, The Sporting News, ladies day, "Down in Front", Take Me Out to the Ball Game, and the Star Spangled Banner.

Baseball is a tongue tied kid from Georgia growing up to be an announcer and praising the Lord for showing him the way to Cooperstown. This is a game for America. Still a game for America, this baseball! Thank you.”
 

Supafly

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I am with you on Baseball. Played it a little in the early neneties, and the concept that in a way every spot on earth is a place on a baseball field adds to it. You know, unlike other sport fields, there are just two lines ruling balls out - that is amazing.

Of course, back to Football, there is no actual discussion, there is just informing people who are uninformed.

The hostory od Football is to be found, as an example, on Wikipedia.

Football Ameerican Football and Rugby started out the same sport and developed on. Football developed further, allowing for creativity and a more continuous flow, whereas American F. is more like Chess on grass, witgh muscled pawns doing the running the ways they get told. And orchestrated for the short attention span of consumers.
 
whereas American F. is more like Chess on grass

Actually that's a pretty apt description of the sport. Of course it's also one of the reasons it's so good. It's set plays also make it so that strategy, preparation, game management, and coaching are not only a lot more but nearly an order of magnitude more important than any other major sport in the world. I can't think of any other sport major sport where it's vary viable almost every game for a much lesser team to win over a much more skilled one by literally out game planning them. Sure lesser teams win over better ones in all sports often, but in other sports that's almost always due to luck and random variation (not that those don't also matter in American football) from game to game. American football for all it's physicalness and brutality is often won and dominated by the people that play the smartest not the ones that are the most physically gifted. It's a subtle irony that even most huge fans of the game often miss.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Oh boy, this again? I find it interesting that Euros in particular seem to be obsessed with this semantic argument. Americans, on the other hand, consider the name "football" to apply to our particular brand of the sport that goes by that name without any regard or concern for what we call "soccer" and the rest of the world calls "football". At the end of the day, it doesn't matter to us at all. I get tickled that it bothers the Euros so much in fact. Jealousy perhaps? Can't imagine why they would let it get to them so much if it weren't. Sorry guys and no offense meant at all but....we just don't care.
 

Lungzyn

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It's not uncommon for people to call rugby 'football' in new zealand either. There's a local sports news show that always says 'soccer football' as a joke.
 
Oh boy, this again? I find it interesting that Euros in particular seem to be obsessed with this semantic argument. Americans, on the other hand, consider the name "football" to apply to our particular brand of the sport that goes by that name without any regard or concern for what we call "soccer" and the rest of the world calls "football". At the end of the day, it doesn't matter to us at all. I get tickled that it bothers the Euros so much in fact. Jealousy perhaps? Can't imagine why they would let it get to them so much if it weren't. Sorry guys and no offense meant at all but....we just don't care.

^ that about sums it up.

This is just me, but Aaron Rodgers threading the needle with a rifle-armed pinpoint pass between two DBs for a TD beats anything I've seen watching soccer. And believe me, I've tried.
 
Can we just move on with this Football / Soccer shit ?

We call it football, they call it soccer.
We call it US football, they call it football.
That's it. This is how things have been for many decades, this is how they will remain for many decades. End of discussion


It's not uncommon for people to call rugby 'football' in new zealand either. There's a local sports news show that always says 'soccer football' as a joke.
Actually, Rugby was invented during a Football (Soccer) game in England. It has first been called Rugby Football because it had been invented in an english town calle Rugby.
I guess this is what this sport channel refers to when they make that joke.
 
Can we just move on with this Football / Soccer shit ?

We call it football, they call it soccer.
We call it US football, they call it football.
That's it. This is how things have been for many decades, this is how they will remain for many decades. End of discussion

This.
 
Oh boy, this again? I find it interesting that Euros in particular seem to be obsessed with this semantic argument. Americans, on the other hand, consider the name "football" to apply to our particular brand of the sport that goes by that name without any regard or concern for what we call "soccer" and the rest of the world calls "football". At the end of the day, it doesn't matter to us at all. I get tickled that it bothers the Euros so much in fact. Jealousy perhaps? Can't imagine why they would let it get to them so much if it weren't. Sorry guys and no offense meant at all but....we just don't care.

Another one that always perplexes me that it irritates people of other countries so much is the name we gave the World Series for MLB's championship. It's just a name. They probably choose that because it sounded good, and not because we were under any illusions that it was or is a world wide sport.
 
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