Border Wall

[DP_LOVER]

It was war. Genocide is the attempt to wipe out a race. You don't enter into treaties with those you are attempting to eradicate. You don't allow them their own lands.

You poor illiterate thing.

how kind of you to 'allow' them to have their own lands. I wonder how they all managed for all those centuries before the first aliens came over and told them they were allowed to have some land. That was until later generations of aliens decided that they quite liked the land that the native americans had and decided to take that too.

 

[Jack Davenport]

how kind of you to 'allow' them to have their own lands. I wonder how they all managed for all those centuries before the first aliens came over and told them they were allowed to have some land. That was until later generations of aliens decided that they quite liked the land that the native americans had and decided to take that too.

Yep. We did. It was war and we won it. Now I realize how sensitive you people are to ass kicking.

Of which, you have suffered many.

 

[Jack Davenport]

So what you are saying is that if it wasnt for those pesky blacks, asians and hispanics then you would be better?

I imagine the native americans said something similar when the first aliens arrived

The pesky ones are the ones that are not motivated to achieve academically, to be a part of society and contribute. I did not include Asians. Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit.

Unfortunately, they make up a good portion of their segment of our population.

Something that you will know nothing about until you are bowing to Mecca twice a day.

 

[sean miguel]

I'd rather be on an indian reservation than taking public transportation in the country of europe right now.

it's the not knowing when that sucks almost as bad, right?

keep your heads down. stay safe out there. and above all, don't let the terrorists win!

 

[GodsEmbryo]

And since there were no laws they were known as settlers. Not immigrants nor aliens...
.class dismissed.

Out of curiosity, and to go even further of topic (so what, sue me)... Since you are a lawyer you might know something about it. Would the settlers technically still fall under the laws of their respective countries (Holland, England)? Or since they had an English land pattent, fall under English law? I'm not talking about war/genocide here, just 'laws'.

 

[sean miguel]

So what you are saying is that if it wasnt for those pesky blacks, asians and hispanics then you would be better?

I imagine the native americans said something similar when the first aliens arrived

There are plenty who I disagree with in P&R but many of them make reasoned arguments and even sway my opinions on some things. Not you. You are the stereotypical eurotard. Fuck, even Johan has stepped up his game of late.

Sorry for the backhanded compliment Johan, but a compliment nonetheless.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Out of curiosity, and to go even further of topic (so what, sue me)... Since you are a lawyer you might know something about it. Would the settlers technically still fall under the laws of their respective countries (Holland, England)? Or since they had an English land pattent, fall under English law? I'm not talking about war/genocide here, just 'laws'.

Some were and some where not. It all depended on the commission they received. If they settled with financial backing they were under the obligation to follow the laws of their home country

The argument that the British made was that the settlers were under British jurisdiction. As you well know,

A great deal of laws were based upon English law.

You have for instance the settlers from the Mayflower. They would have been considered conscientious objectors by today's standards.

To answer the question, historians have reached the consensus that settlers tried to follow the laws of their homeland until they felt that their new life was being infringed upon or did not meet the requirements of life in their new settlement . And was the driving force for our independence and our Constitution.



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[sean miguel]

Maybe that "cable" thing is about my penis.

it does the job really fast, so maybe.

 

[sean miguel]

it wasnt a war, it was genocide.

technically, it could be both? Like we should've committed genocide against germans after winning WWII. The showers and ovens were still functional. It'd be an epic "here, have some."

 

[GodsEmbryo]

Some were and some where not. It all depended on the commission they received. If they settled with financial backing they were under the obligation to follow the laws of their home country

The argument that the British made was that the settlers were under British jurisdiction. As you well know,

A great deal of laws were based upon English law.

You have for instance the settlers from the Mayflower. They would have been considered conscientious objectors by today's standards.

To answer the question, historians have reached the consensus that settlers tried to follow the laws of their homeland until they felt that their new life was being infringed upon or did not meet the requirements of life in their new settlement . And was the driving force for our independence and our Constitution.



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Thx

 

[DP_LOVER]

technically, it could be both? Like we should've committed genocide against germans after winning WWII. The showers and ovens were still functional. It'd be an epic "here, have some."

Wishing death on millions of innocent people. Classy.

Hey in this world of 'an eye for an eye' that you are championing for, do the Japanese get to drop a couple of nuclear bombs onto two American cities?

 

[DP_LOVER]

Yep. We did. It was war and we won it. Now I realize how sensitive you people are to ass kicking.

Of which, you have suffered many.

Do you realise how utterly pathetic you sound. Bragging about the near total destruction of indigenous people like it was some great victory.

Embarrassing.

 

[DP_LOVER]

The pesky ones are the ones that are not motivated to achieve academically, to be a part of society and contribute. I did not include Asians. Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit.

Unfortunately, they make up a good portion of their segment of our population.

Something that you will know nothing about until you are bowing to Mecca twice a day.

And racial tolerance is clearly not your strong suit.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Do you realise how utterly pathetic you sound. Bragging about the near total destruction of indigenous people like it was some great victory.

Embarrassing.

You have been reading too many Ward Churchill rants. Most historians give a reasonable estimate of native American population to be 1,200,000 in territories North of Mexico when white European settlers arrived.. The narrative of genocide started during the counter culture movement and during the Vietnam war. Grain,salt, all that jazz. Moreover, native Americans were heavy users of tobacco, and were subjected to many diseases.

In early 1900 the population of Native Americans was around 237,000 and falls in line with the reduction in population based upon average death rates. Couple that with an ugly war where the White settlers had superior technology, it is no surprise that the population was decimated.

So dipwad, it wasn't genocide but a combination of factors that lead to native American population dwindling.

You wouldn't know genocide from a hole in the ground.

 

[DP_LOVER]

You have been reading too many Ward Churchill rants. Most historians give a reasonable estimate of native American population to be 1,200,000 in territories North of Mexico when white European settlers arrived.. The narrative of genocide started during the counter culture movement and during the Vietnam war. Grain,salt, all that jazz. Moreover, native Americans were heavy users of tobacco, and were subjected to many diseases.

In early 1900 the population of Native Americans was around 237,000 and falls in line with the reduction in population based upon average death rates. Couple that with an ugly war where the White settlers had superior technology, it is no surprise that the population was decimated.

So dipwad, it wasn't genocide but a combination of factors that lead to native American population dwindling.

You wouldn't know genocide from a hole in the ground.

Do you honestly believe that the population of native Americans dropped from 1.2m to 200,000 in less than 300 years mainly because of the average death rate? That is a reduction of 80% in less than 300 hundred years. By that logic the native Americans would either have been dead long before the first aliens arrived, or had numbers in their 10s of millions to have survived for so long before the aliens arrived with their guns and rapist tenancies.

you have been reading too many white supremacist propaganda by the sounds of it my friend because those numbers simply dont stack up. But hey if it makes you feel better for your rapist ancestors destroying a centuries old way of life and decimating the wildlife population in the process so you can shout about what a great country you are then keep on telling yourself these sweet little lies.

 

[sean miguel]

Wishing death on millions of innocent people. Classy.

Hey in this world of 'an eye for an eye' that you are championing for, do the Japanese get to drop a couple of nuclear bombs onto two American cities?

And yet the americans didn't line up germans for the ovens to give them a taste of their own medicine. And the atomic bombs on Japan saved countless more Japanese and American servicemen lives than if an invasion of the Japanese mainland had taken place. And the Japanese readily admit that had they gotten the bomb first, they would've used it on us.

As for the native american genocide by whites. So much of their decline can be laid on communicable diseases that they had no immunity to that yes, were brought over by filthy europeans but other than a few documented instances, there was no widespread effort to wipeout the indians using biological warfare. Atrocities and butchery were committed by both parties but it was the particular savagery shown by some indian tribes from the get go that contributed to sentiment shared by many white settlers that the indian needed to be wiped out. This was unrestricted warfare in most cases and a clash of cultures.

As an American, I'm glad the white man prevailed. Civilization and stuff.


This is an interesting article on the genocide of native americans:

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

 

[Jack Davenport]

Do you honestly believe that the population of native Americans dropped from 1.2m to 200,000 in less than 300 years mainly because of the average death rate? That is a reduction of 80% in less than 300 hundred years. By that logic the native Americans would either have been dead long before the first aliens arrived, or had numbers in their 10s of millions to have survived for so long before the aliens arrived with their guns and rapist tenancies.

you have been reading too many white supremacist propaganda by the sounds of it my friend because those numbers simply dont stack up. But hey if it makes you feel better for your rapist ancestors destroying a centuries old way of life and decimating the wildlife population in the process so you can shout about what a great country you are then keep on telling yourself these sweet little lies.

I believe what a majority of historians estimate the population to be. Native Americans discovered tobacco shortly before the first settlers arrived. They had no health care and were exposed to cholera and numerous other diseases. Death rates due to lung cancer were extremely high. The war made it almost impossible to repopulate at a sustainable levels.

Fuck you with the white supremacist shit. I wont even bother to repeat or inform you as to why that is absurd as some posters here have knowledge as to why I find the label laughable.

I have,stated historical fact, not left wing drivel. Quite frankly, I don't even know why I bother engaging you. You are like a question that has not been asked yet.

 

[Jack Davenport]

And yet the americans didn't line up germans for the ovens to give them a taste of their own medicine. And the atomic bombs on Japan saved countless more Japanese and American servicemen lives than if an invasion of the Japanese mainland had taken place. And the Japanese readily admit that had they gotten the bomb first, they would've used it on us.

As for the native american genocide by whites. So much of their decline can be laid on communicable diseases that they had no immunity to that yes, were brought over by filthy europeans but other than a few documented instances, there was no widespread effort to wipeout the indians using biological warfare. Atrocities and butchery were committed by both parties but it was the particular savagery shown by some indian tribes from the get go that contributed to sentiment shared by many white settlers that the indian needed to be wiped out. This was unrestricted warfare in most cases and a clash of cultures.

As an American, I'm glad the white man prevailed. Civilization and stuff.


This is an interesting article on the genocide of native americans:

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

animus fox is a cotdam Native American treasure!

 

[Luxman]

40% of Americans want a wall on the US-Canada border.

A wall can also be used to keep people in.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...in-ten-americans-want-wall-on-northern-border

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[Supafly]

Is there a way for conservative voters to handle the massive situation of frustration by turnig into enjoying the open fascist and ridiculous foreign (sand glow, etc) politics?

Good luck.