1 out 4 americans want their state to secede from the US

One in four Americans want their state to secede from the U.S., but why?


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For the past few weeks, as Scotland debated the wisdom of independence, Reuters has been asking Americans how they would feel about declaring independence today, not from the United Kingdom, but from the mother country they left England to create. The exact wording of the question was, “Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government?

It was hard to imagine many people would support secession. Forget the fact that the cautionary lesson of the Civil War is top of mind for many people as we commemorate its 150th anniversary; just in terms of dollars and cents, who in their right minds would give up all the money they’ve already paid into the Social Security and Medicare systems? Besides, most states get more back from the federal government than they put in.

Then the results came in. You can see them for yourself here, and you can filter them any way you want—by age, region, income, party affiliation, etc. Any way you slice it, the data are startlingly clear: Almost a quarter (23.9 percent) of those surveyed said they were strongly or provisionally inclined to leave the United States, and take their states with them. Given the polling sample — about 9,000 people so far—the online survey’s credibility interval (which is digital for “margin of error”) was only 1.2 percentage points, so there is no question that that is what they said.


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Secession got more support from Republicans than Democrats, more from right- than left-leaning independents, more from younger than older people, more from lower- than higher-income brackets, more from high school than college grads. But there was a surprising amount of support in every group and region, especially the Rocky Mountain states, the Southwest and the old Confederacy, but also in places like Illinois and Kansas. And of the people who said they identified with the Tea Party, supporters of secession were actually in the majority, with 53 percent.


The question is, what do results like this mean for the country?

First, it should be acknowledged that intramural conflict has been in character for Americans since the earliest settlements, when Puritan New England faced off against Royalist Virginia in the English Civil War. More than a century later, the Revolutionary War was barely won when the states, never quite friendly, were at each other’s throats, and the infant nation came close to being strangled in its crib.

It was in part to avoid the danger that the colonies would break into competing regional confederacies that the founders plotted to hold the Constitutional Convention of 1787. But even when the new Constitution made secession illegal, the impulse to break up stayed strong. Serious state and regional threats of secession flared up in 1799, 1814 and 1828. Fifteen years before 11 Southern states did secede in 1860, sparking the Civil War, William Lloyd Garrison called for the North to secede under the banner of “No Union With Slaveholders.”

All told, secessionist feints and follies have produced notional movements for more than a hundred new states and nations in North America, from Absaroka to Yazoo. A book about such causes, Lost States, manages to be quite amusing.

Followup phone calls with a small, random sample of pro-secession respondents to the Reuters poll, however, suggest that while their wish to leave the union may not be quite what it appears, it is not amusing at all.

Those we spoke to seemed to have answered as they did as a form of protest that was neither red nor blue but a polychromatic riot — against a recovery that has yet to produce jobs, against jobs that don’t pay, against mistreatment of veterans, against war, against deficits, against hyper-partisanship, against political corruption, against illegal immigration, against the assault on marriage, against the assault on same-sex marriage, against government in the bedroom, against government in general — the president, Congress, the courts and both political parties.

By the evidence of the poll data as well as these anecdotal conversations, the sense of aggrievement is comprehensive, bipartisan, somewhat incoherent, but deeply felt.

This should be more than disconcerting; it’s a situation that could get dangerous. As the Princeton political scientist Mark Beissinger has shown, separatist movements can take hold around contempt for incumbents and the status quo even when protesters have no ideology in common.

The United States hardly seems to be on the verge of fracture, and the small secession movements in a handful of American states today represent a tiny percentage of those polled by Reuters. But any country where 60 million people declare themselves to be sincerely aggrieved — especially one that is fractious by nature — is a country inviting either the sophistry of a demagogue or a serious movement for reform.
http://blogs.reuters.com/jamesrgain...t-their-state-to-secede-from-the-u-s-but-why/

Wanting your state to secede, doesn't it makes you unamerican ? So I guess that, with 53% of it's members wanting their state to secede, the Tea Party should rebrand itself as the T-Party, T standing for Traitor...
 

xfire

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Them some dumb motherfuckers, at best they would end up with a government similar to what they seceded from with the same divisions and magnified problems. At worst they would get their far right totalitarian regime and would end up with a bloody revolt in pretty quick order. States on the southern border would be at the mercy of the Mexican government and the drug cartels. Texas may be the big dog on a small block as part of the United States, but out there hanging on our own, we would be just as vulnerable as any other state. Let these secessionists talk their shit, they know the sane majority would never let it happen so they're insulated from any real consequences of their loose lips.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I think most Americans that want that, really are just fed up with the crap our government tries, and usually succeeds in pulling on us, and are just verbally shaking their fists at our leaders. I don't in any way shape or form think it makes you unamerican to expect more from your leaders...they are elected employees, and they work for us, and very often, forget that, but seceding from the union, isn't going to fix problems, it will just create more. We have to fix what's wrong, and we the people have that ability, but when half of the people don't vote, and people clambering to give non-citizens the right to vote, it'll never happen. I say that about illegals, because they aren't willing to work to become a citizen, how do we know they won't become a further burden, on an already over taxed, and completely abused system.

In my opinion, it is never wrong to question our leaders at EVERY LEVEL of government....but it is wrong, to not question them.
 
It is one thing to question the governement. It is one another to say you wanna secede from it. You can't ask for secession just because you don't like the president ! Otherwise, what will you do when a president that would please you will be elected ? Call for re-unification ?

Also, since the Republicans always speak about Obama being a liberal, a communist etc., you would think that the riches and the middle class (the ones some conservatives call "the makers") would be more infavor of leaving a country which governement "steal" their money to give it to illegal immigrants and to "ghetto trash" (the ones some conservatives call "the takers") and that these people who receive from the government would be happy about it. Well, it's the opposite : the riches wanna stay, the poors wanna leave.
Because the riches know that the system is rigged in their favor, that they control the government through the lobbies with the political partis and candidates being financed by them. The poors are not stupid, they know the system is rigged, they know the system is against them, they know they cannot hope for very much from a governement that has fallen under the control of lobbies.

Don't take me wrong, this is not particular to the US, things are this way in almost every "civilised western countries".
 
The most serious secession group in the U.S. recently has been the 2nd Republic of Vermont. They were listed as one of the worlds top ten aspiring nations in Time Magazine. Even so, the highest support any of their candidates have gotten was like 8%.


I think any state that would have the greatest chance of actually seceding would be Alaska. "Come and get us."
 

Funny because most of the states where 25% of their population thinks they would be better off leaving the US couldn't maintain the standard of living they enjoy without the federal coffers. Last time I checked 51% is a majority.
I might venture a guess that 25% is pretty low for our country over the course of its history.
 

georges

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Let's just see what the elections will give as a result and perhaps you will be able to see why people want their state to secede
 
Let's just see what the elections will give as a result and perhaps you will be able to see why people want their state to secede
Totally stupid. Even if its a major Republican victory, the 2012 election has been a major democrat victory so if 2014 is a major republican victory, that would mean the very same people that voted for Obama in 2012 would have changed their mind and now they want secession because they are not happy with the president.
As I said, youdon't ask for secession just because yo don't like the president ! Otherwise what would you do when a new president is elected, one that you're happy with ? You call for re-unification ?
 
I'm in Canada and I feel having a giant country like Canada or the USA isn't really that great simply because of the huge differences you get by region to region. It's hard to govern something when you've got two differing viewpoints arguing against each other on a national scale. Split things up and make it more like Europe.
 
As I said, youdon't ask for secession just because yo don't like the president ! Otherwise what would you do when a new president is elected, one that you're happy with ? You call for re-unification ?

Obama might be who he is but he's almost done. If the Republicans take over the Senate what sack will he have remaining? I can ride that clown out standing on my head. It's his zombies he's betrayed and failed the most. I saw him coming and I'm totally fine in California staying in one whole piece.
 

BlkHawk

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I'm in Canada and I feel having a giant country like Canada or the USA isn't really that great simply because of the huge differences you get by region to region. It's hard to govern something when you've got two differing viewpoints arguing against each other on a national scale. Split things up and make it more like Europe.

Yes, because Europe has such a long history of peaceful co-existence. :nanner: Granted the US government likes to drag us into foreign wars at a drop of the hat, but there hasn't been a war fought in the continental areas of Canada or the US since the Indian wars of the 1890's, major battle since 1865, a foreign army since 1848, or a battle with a foreign army in a US State at the time since 1814.

Unless you want to count the IJN submarines shelling the West Coast, which I don't think killed anyone.
 
I don't see any states ending up better than what he have now if they went independent. It's the same corruption and type of people on both levels. Most people that would actually want this are either ignorant, or they are pissed off there are laws that keep them from manipulating those below them, or they figure they got their and are pissed off when they have to contribute anything to society that doesn't help them or disproportionately helps them less.

I've never looked at the leading politicians of any state and went, "Wow those are some fine upstanding people, and that place would be utopia if only they could get out from under the federal government." The more likely outcome is they become even more Darwinistic nightmares than they are now.
 
Yes, because Europe has such a long history of peaceful co-existence. :nanner: Granted the US government likes to drag us into foreign wars at a drop of the hat, but there hasn't been a war fought in the continental areas of Canada or the US since the Indian wars of the 1890's, major battle since 1865, a foreign army since 1848, or a battle with a foreign army in a US State at the time since 1814.

Unless you want to count the IJN submarines shelling the West Coast, which I don't think killed anyone.

Somehow I don't think Alberta would be invading Saskatchewan or California invading Oregon. The days of war in modernized countries is over unless everything really goes to hell. People have got to go out and get the Iphone 6 we don't got time for that war stuff.
 

BlkHawk

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Somehow I don't think Alberta would be invading Saskatchewan or California invading Oregon. The days of war in modernized countries is over unless everything really goes to hell. People have got to go out and get the Iphone 6 we don't got time for that war stuff.

I can see an independent Texas invading the Northern neighbors over water rights. Oh it isn't the iPhone itself that people want, just a bigger screen to view porn that keeps the piece :)
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
I support a full on march of washington with guns! But peacefully seceding would suffice.
 
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