Briana Lee
Official Checked Star Member
You're totally right. I mean why the hell do normal American citizens need to own assault weapons anyway?! For what reason?!
Most say it's the guns. I say, it's today's society
- Thread starter Sam Fisher
- Start date
You're totally right. I mean why the hell do normal American citizens need to own assault weapons anyway?! For what reason?!
ApolloBalboa
Was King of the Board for a Day
It's interesting, I just came across this yesterday, and it bears many similarities to the tragedy that just happened, as well as many others in the past. I guess the question that this poses is, why can England be so proactive when it comes to dealing with situations like these, and we still debate that "there's no harm in having all types of guns be available for everyone, we just can't let everyone have all types of guns"?
Hungerford Massacre and its resulting action The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988.
Is what just happened the catalyst for our nation to follow Britain's example?
Hungerford Massacre and its resulting action The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988.
Is what just happened the catalyst for our nation to follow Britain's example?
[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/briana-lee said:
Why not?Just because people own them doesn't mean there going to go off and **** people with them.Most use them for hogging and hunting big game.
In most cases ,yes, these killers have high powered assault rifles,but most are stolen or converted hunting rifles.
Forgive me. It may have seemed from the way I introduced my point that I was taking issue with what you said, when in fact I was only attempting to add to it.
Somebody who knows more about guns than I do should chime in, but I sincerely doubt that anybody hunts with MAC 10's, Mini Guns and Street Sweepers...
They need it for when the government comes in and starts telling them what to do in their own home. They need them to defend their bunker and to blow up the government tanks that Obama will start rolling across their lawns. These people be a little paranoid and crazy and think the USA is Syria or something.
Sam Fisher
Banned
The Real Root Causes of Violent Crime: The Breakdown of Marriage, ******, and Community
A review of the empirical evidence in the professional literature of the social sciences gives policymakers an insight into the root causes of crime. Consider, for instance:
- Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.
- High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.
- State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of ******** living in single-parent homes leads to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.
- The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
- The type of aggression and hostility demonstrated by a future criminal often is foreshadowed in unusual aggressiveness as early as age five or six.
- The future criminal tends to be an individual rejected by other ******** as early as the first grade who goes on to form his own group of friends, often the future delinquent gang.
On the other hand:
- Neighborhoods with a high degree of religious practice are not high-crime neighborhoods.
- Even in high-crime inner-city neighborhoods, well over 90 percent of ******** from safe, stable homes do not become delinquents. By contrast only 10 percent of ******** from unsafe, -unstable homes in these neighborhoods avoid crime.
- Criminals capable of sustaining marriage gradually move away from a life of crime after they get married.
- The ******'s strong affectionate attachment to her ***** is the *****'s best buffer against a life of crime.
- The ******'s authority and involvement in raising his ******** are also a great buffer against a life of crime.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime
A review of the empirical evidence in the professional literature of the social sciences gives policymakers an insight into the root causes of crime. Consider, for instance:
- Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.
- High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.
- State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of ******** living in single-parent homes leads to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.
- The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
- The type of aggression and hostility demonstrated by a future criminal often is foreshadowed in unusual aggressiveness as early as age five or six.
- The future criminal tends to be an individual rejected by other ******** as early as the first grade who goes on to form his own group of friends, often the future delinquent gang.
On the other hand:
- Neighborhoods with a high degree of religious practice are not high-crime neighborhoods.
- Even in high-crime inner-city neighborhoods, well over 90 percent of ******** from safe, stable homes do not become delinquents. By contrast only 10 percent of ******** from unsafe, -unstable homes in these neighborhoods avoid crime.
- Criminals capable of sustaining marriage gradually move away from a life of crime after they get married.
- The ******'s strong affectionate attachment to her ***** is the *****'s best buffer against a life of crime.
- The ******'s authority and involvement in raising his ******** are also a great buffer against a life of crime.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime
Sam Fisher
Banned
Youth ******** and ****** breakdown
Youth ******** is on the rise in Canada, and the Ontario provincial government released a two million dollar report on November 14, 2008 identifying the root causes and how to address the problem. It identifies ten root causes including racism, poverty and ****** issues, and proposes thirty major recommendations for the province to consider. On ******, however, The Roots of Youth ******** avoids even grappling with the research consensus that shows ****** structure matters for ***** development.
http://arpacanada.ca/index.php/issuesresearch/******/442-youth-********-and-******-breakdown
Youth ********: Do Parents and Families Make a Difference?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/jr000243f.pdf
Declining Socio-Economic Conditions Blamed for Rise in Youth ********
http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/2012...-blames-for-rise-in-youth-********-26131.html
Youth ******** is on the rise in Canada, and the Ontario provincial government released a two million dollar report on November 14, 2008 identifying the root causes and how to address the problem. It identifies ten root causes including racism, poverty and ****** issues, and proposes thirty major recommendations for the province to consider. On ******, however, The Roots of Youth ******** avoids even grappling with the research consensus that shows ****** structure matters for ***** development.
http://arpacanada.ca/index.php/issuesresearch/******/442-youth-********-and-******-breakdown
Youth ********: Do Parents and Families Make a Difference?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/jr000243f.pdf
Declining Socio-Economic Conditions Blamed for Rise in Youth ********
http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/2012...-blames-for-rise-in-youth-********-26131.html
:cmon: I want to see the video of you fighting a wild hog or better yet a bear with a *****.
I never said anything about those guns.I'm talking about the rifles used to protect our homes like the Ak47 ,ar 15's. The guns you mention are used by so called wanna be gangsters. How many people actually run around with a " street Sweeper"? Most of the time these people are getting these guns from who?The people at the army bases.I can go right now and get a Street Sweeper for 300 bucks from the same people everyone is arguing should be the only one's allowed to have guns.
Not matter what guns don't **** people,people **** people. Dont Blame the Guns, a lot of people would be alive right now if they had a ***!
Deepcover
Closed Account
That's understandable and you're right no question about it but not everyone is you or thinks like you and not everyone in the world is sane. Many people (not all) would react differently if they have played a video game that uses a lot of firepower and others would not. But I think what it comes down to is the obsession, it's the rush or the need that would make one want to do such an act that is almost unbearable to imagine. We all get influnced by a lot of things in society. Sexuality, controversy, art, politics, human rights, laws, religion, cigarettes, chicks, studs, toys, heroes, villians, money, fantasies, music, movies, video games, and yes ********....I think when one has a serious obsession that's too much for them to bear, where the obession or the rush takes over, could be one of the first clues to a much later serious problem and maybe that happened to be the case for the shooter. Now I don't know much about the man who went on a rampage on Friday but imo one has to go through his personal demons and understand what made him want to commit such an act. What amazes me to this day is there has been a # of shooting sprees throughout the years and sadly many more in the years to come...and yet society hasn't learned how to prevent these things from happening again. We're always either pointing fingers or using a shortcut to an easy excuse that causes arguments not . In a way it's pretty scary and shocking.
I admit, I didn't fully state my thinking in that post. I was reacting rather than responding. I'm sorry about that.
You were responding to Briana's post, which referenced assault weapons in general, not necessarily assault rifles. I could be wrong, but I think her point was that we really don't restrict the sale of any guns despite the fact that some have no legitimate uses period. The only possible purpose for an Uzi is to mow down large numbers of humans. Whether a lot of people wander down the street with one is beside the point. There's no justification at all for someone to have one as it's totally impractical for hunting & sport. Yet whenever the assault weapons ban is brought up for a vote in Congress, assault rifles like the ones you mentioned and fully automatic weapons like the ones I mentioned are always defended equally by the *** lobby, and often the defense centers around the the rights of hunters and sportsmen, and I've always found that argument incredulous where Uzi's & Street Sweeper's are concerned.
On the other hand, AK's aren't terribly practical for hunting either, are they? They're notoriously inaccurate, and their chief benefit is that they're rugged in all weather types and rarely malfunction, right? AR-15's can be modified to work well as hunting rifles, but aren't there like 50 other better rifles that don't double as semi-automatic assault rifles?
I also have to wonder: are rifles of any kind really useful for defending one's home? Maybe if you live in the wilderness and you're able to see them (whoever "they" are) coming. But are they practical for close quarters? This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm really asking because I've always been told they're not. Might as well try swinging a baseball bat in a closet.
And if you look to one of my posts below, you'll see that I agree with you that guns aren't to blame, but the people who use them. My problem with your position, though (viz., that it doesn't matter, that people can always get guns) is that you seem to think that's the end of the story. Simply resigning ourselves to that doesn't take a single step toward preventing future *******. We can pass sensible *** legislation in this country without ********* the rights of law-abiding people, but we won't get anywhere if we begin by assuming there's nothing we can do.
L3ggy
Special Operations FOX-HOUND
Anyone who says lets change *** laws or ban certain guns, clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
lol if we ban or change *** law's what do you think would happen? Ill tell you it will get worse, just look at all the ******* substances meth, heroin, ********* and etc all these are ******* but yet they are being flooded onto the streets of every neighborhood in america.
We cant change what comes into this country or what happens to people but have the right to defend it with are right to bear arms, you take these guns away from the people that abide by the law and use them to protect their ****** and friends and yet the crimanals will still have access to these sort of weapons.
Guns dont **** people, man does. For example if that guy in CT was to have a ***** and slit the throats of all those ****, think about how many more he would have ****** being silent and taking people out without a single peep. And nobody would have known what was going on.
Sayings guns **** people is like saying spoons made me fat.
lol if we ban or change *** law's what do you think would happen? Ill tell you it will get worse, just look at all the ******* substances meth, heroin, ********* and etc all these are ******* but yet they are being flooded onto the streets of every neighborhood in america.
We cant change what comes into this country or what happens to people but have the right to defend it with are right to bear arms, you take these guns away from the people that abide by the law and use them to protect their ****** and friends and yet the crimanals will still have access to these sort of weapons.
Guns dont **** people, man does. For example if that guy in CT was to have a ***** and slit the throats of all those ****, think about how many more he would have ****** being silent and taking people out without a single peep. And nobody would have known what was going on.
Sayings guns **** people is like saying spoons made me fat.
ApolloBalboa
Was King of the Board for a Day
A ***** can serve other purposes besides slitting someone's throat. What were guns designed to do? **** people.
Therefore, guns **** people.
Like I said saying guns **** people is ignorant, its like saying spoons made you fat or mcdonalds gave you diabetes. People are so quick to blame guns instead of the hand that draws it.
Do you think guns get up walk over load themselves and go to a school or whatever and start shooting random people? Naw never
Guns are made to defend your rights and freedom and protect your ****** and loved ones, so trying to ban guns in society ends up hurting innocent people not the criminals! Do you think banning ***** has stopped criminals? No
If you love the USA, you gotta love guns cause without them there would be no red, white or blue.
Pure sophistry.
First of all, who here said anything about banning guns? That would be impossible, and everyone knows it, even the staunchest advocates of *** control. You're right that banning something creates a black market for it. It's why there's a black market for ******* *****, and why there was bootlegging during Prohibition.
But here's the thing: if we care enough about something, we don't let that stop us. We don't allow minors to buy ******* or cigarettes, so why do we let just anyone buy guns? Hell, in some cases we go even farther. We actually do ban ***** pornography despite the fact that there will always be pedophiles who want it. It's called doing something instead of giving up.
Second, "change *** laws"? What *** laws? We don't have any, and even those we do have are toothless and easily circumvented.
Third, most people don't think guns are to blame. Almost everyone thinks it's the people who use them irresponsibly.
And yes, if somebody wants to **** someone, they'll find a way. They'll use a *****, or run them over with their car, or bludgeon them with a hammer, or maybe just use their bare hands or poison them. But what really pisses me off about the unbridled availability of guns is the number of people we never get to punish because they take the coward's way out, like the KC player who ****** his wife a couple weeks ago. Had he not had a ***, he still could have ****** her, but he would have been a lot less likely to **** himself without a ***. In taking his own life, he deprived us of being able to put his ass in jail for the rest of his life, or even putting him to death if that's the law.
It should be at least as hard to get an assault rifle as it is to get a driver's license.
Finally, I just have to take issue with this little nugget:
What the eff are you talking about? You really think people wouldn't have noticed somebody walking around slitting people's throats? It's a public place with a lot of people, I think someone would have noticed.
I will now graciously refrain from making any more comments in this thread (at least for a while) as I've more than said my share here today.
Last edited:
L3ggy
Special Operations FOX-HOUND
That makes no sense.
I eat hogs and bears for breakfast
Pics?
Similar threads
